Hi Irenaeus Now look at those sins you listed in Ezekiel. What is the root cause of those sins? This is what I have laboured to get at. Look beyond the 'effect' into the ugly face of the 'casue'.

The 'cause' or root of it all is the desecration of the human being, the sacramental, par excellence, of God. This is why Sodom and Gomorrah were so abhorrant unto the people of YHWH, and therefore, unto YHWH.

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As for the Sin of Sodom... Chapter 16 of Ezekiel explains in great detail.

Three main sins appear -
1) Lack of charity.
2) Arrogance.
3) Abominable acts.

Ez16:49-50
"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty, and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them, when I saw it. "

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Hi Irenaeus ! Indeed YHWH worked wonders in the Old Testament. His is the world and all therein, therefore, He can do as he sees fit. However, remember that ancient Jews were not litterate, nor did they have any knowledge about anything in the natural world other than the basic things for survival, e.g. cooking, clothing, hunting, gathering, etc. These were people just out of the bronze age.

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'God did not "rain down fire and brimstone" no more than he parted the Red Sea - all natural phenomena.'
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I am not quite sure what to make of that. Did God work any miracles in Genesis or Exodus in your opinion?

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Dear Cannoli, do go to the library and take out a real book, with real paper and published by real scholars. Internet links are not proof of any such claims like yours. That is just lazy 'armchair' learning. When dealing with very deep and intellectual matters, internet references are quite laughable when quoted.

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You continue to be quite simplistic, rather like Gregory.

Simplistic or not, it was you and not me who incorrectly claimed that:

Biblical scholarship maintains that it [ the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah] was the sin against the law of friendship.

Biblical scholarship maintains no such thing and I provided the proof in my link. Therefore, your assertion is false. It's a pity that you are not man enough to admit your error and move on.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

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Greetings chaps!

@Gregory...oh dear...Still a vir simplex I see....not to worry dear man, that is your lot.

@Cannoli - What do you know of the semetic concept of friendship of the Jewish people circa 1500 BC? Yet again, one cannot just apply modern concepts to ancient ideas of the same thing..... cf Aidan Nichols on Biblical relationship and Love in the Old Testament. You continue to be quite simplistic, rather like Gregory.

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Your comment:

Biblical scholarship maintains that it [ the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah] was the sin against the law of friendship.

Is patently false.
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Do not remain on the surface of the text,

You would do well to do likewise and to use legitimate Catholic and not homosexual advocacy sites for your research.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Homosexuality.asp

Cannoli, greetings! Do re-read my post in the light of the following.

In life all academic disciplines are interconnected - all the natural sciences, and these flow from the logical sciences of philosophy, with her origins in the trivium of classical education (philosophy, mathematics and music). In philosophy, the law physics law "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction", is the same, but stated differently: for every effect there is a cause. This cause can be physical or … [More]

ACL writes:

Biblical scholarship maintains that it [ the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah] was the sin against the law of friendship. That the men of Sodom and Gomorrah meant to abuse the two male visitors by willfully offending their dignity as 'possible emissaries of Yahweh' (hence being called 'angels') and therefore offending gravely Yahweh Himself, was the root sin.

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@ Fr. Brian: Your video has been a starting point for a lively and interesting conversation here! I can hardly wait for your next video!

Dear Ira! Yes, Gregory is a gentleman, but most and for all he is a true Christian, who always tries to find good in others!
@ Gregory: Your comment gives you credit, and I really mean it! We should always try to love our neighbor and see what is best in him, instead of criticising, and thinking, we are better Christians than our neighbor.

Good morning, ACL!

Ira darling...you idle lass!!

TES, Isn't Gregory a GEM??? There are so few gentlemen left in the world today...

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Sorry Ira dear, I don't subscribe or adhere to unapproved private revalations - regardless of the content. However, what I do understand is the use of the God-given gift of the intellect and good prayerful scholarship.

ACL: AFTER you have read the Revelations made to Blessed Anna Katherina Emmerick, I will discusss the Bible with you

Thank you Gregory!
Only Christ will know who is in the state of mortal sin. We should be merciful to one another and pray. I think it's more effective to try to reach people with and through God's love than through His punishment and rage. For Jesus forgave everyone who asked for forgiveness of sins! That is my hope in this life!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus!

@Ira - Dearest sister, it is not enough to quote the scriptures. You must delve into a wholistic and well considered excavation of the text.

Did you know that the area where the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were situated is on a large geological deposit of natural gas and other hydrocarbons (e.g. tar)? Even today globules of tar wash up upon the lake shores. Folk have been havesting this tar for millenia!

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TES-Today's First reading says it all!!!
http://www.dailygospel.org/main.php?language=AM&module=readings&localdate=20110628

Irapuato

Tuesday of the Thirteenth week in Ordinary Time

Book of Genesis 19:15-29.
As dawn was breaking, the angels urged Lot on, saying, "On your way! Take with you your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away in the punishment of the city."
When he hesitated, the men, by the LORD'S mercy, seized his hand and the hands of his wife and his two daughters and led them to safety outside the city.
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@ SBpfu - Ah, indeed that man! The allure of the Beautiful is indeed the allure of absolute Truth. I gave a talk to the Cathedral Choirs the other day regarding 'Music and Prayer', wherein the topic of beauty and sound, beauty and architecture, beauty and speech, were all rather successfully interconnected. Fr. Rector was most present and I actually heard a difference in his homily, and in the budget for music (!).

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@ Holy Cannoli: We understand what you mean, but shouldn't we leave it to GOD Himself to say, who goes to Hell? We should only worry about ourselves in that matter, not eagerly condemn others; no matter what CCC says (for CCC is not a volume to hit people on the head with!). CCC is there for us to learn God's will, but God Himself warns us in the Bible, not to start telling others, they are going to Hell! I think Fr. Carpenter's answer to SBpfu says it beautifully, how we here should act:" in … [More]