What is being said here can be summerized as follows:

All men are free to express their oppinion as a function of their freedom of speech. Roman Catholic men are no different in this freedom so to do. Nevertheless, the Roman Church is not a democracy! Therefore, "Pfarrer-Initiative" may make all the requests they desire, have them published and all the rest of it. However, His Emminence is not obliged to heed any of it (nor can he!).

@Sign - The proclamation of Mary Co-redemtrix has been a problem for many years. JPII tried to ekk out the theology and all the rest of it. However, the difficulty with this is that Scripture is explicit in that there is only one redeemer, and one mediator between God the Father and man, namely Jesus the Christ.

They have tried to define this 'one' in terms of Mary the Mother of the son Jesus together as this 'one'; that metaphysically, Mother and Son are 'one'. Nevertheless, we keep hitting … [Más]

Irenaeus:

Good find.

Since you wrote:
signofcontradiction— 24/08/2011 20:11:40:

The three examples of "dissent" listed by His Eminence were requests for 1) abolishing Communion etc., etc.

Since this is what you wrote, I therefore thought that those "examples of dissent'" were the examples of dissent that you were referencing.

The cardinal (through his spokesman) equated these demands with three examples that do not involve dissent.

This is clearer and I wish you would have written it earlier.

Nevertheless, … [Más]

Actually, the current Catechism is not that good....

I even ran into a blatant mistake/misrepresentation a few months ago on the apostolicity of private confession to a priest CCC-1447. Appealing to false history it stated that private confessions were a development in the 7th century, yet earlier church fathers talk about its apostolicity and enforcement. No doubt there existed other kinds of practices... but private confession to a priest came from the apostles.

“I have recently heard … [Más]

Dear H.C.: Please save your ammunition for someone who actually disagrees with you.

The demands of the Pfarrer-Initiative involve dissent from Church teaching. The cardinal (through his spokesman) equated these demands with three examples that do not involve dissent. That is why I said there is a big difference between the two things, and why I believe it was careless of His Eminence (and/or his spokesman) to say that there is "no problem" with the Pfarrer-Initiative. (And "careless" was the … [Más]

Sign:

Cardinal Schonborn is a hard core leftist.
http://www.gloria.tv/?media=164417

Evidently reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
(made bold in the article itself).

These are the demands that cause no problems: ordination of women, lay-homilies, Holy Communion for adulterers.

Abolishing Communion in the hand, etc., etc., were merely examples given by the "spokesman." They were not the actual demands.

wluckey,

My thoughts exactly!

I thought he was a great Cardinal, and he has done great work, but either he or his spokesman have gone senile. There are radical differences in asking for abolishing communion in the hand, or a declaration that mary is co-redemptrix, or asking to the Tridentine mass, but the opther things are already prohibited by the Church, especially the ordination of women, in the strongest toned. Pope John Paul II said that is totally settled.

@ H.C.: Yes, I think Cardinal Schonborn's work on the Catechism was undeniably "good," and this makes his recent remarks on "dissent" very troubling.

The three examples of "dissent" listed by His Eminence were requests for 1) abolishing Communion in the hand, 2)extending the practice of the Tridentine Rite, and 3)proclaiming the dogma of Mary Co-Redemptrix. These are truly "innocuous" requests, and they do not deserve to be called "dissent."

Why is this article being posted? To be refuted? I am not sure I understand.

"innocuous examples of "dissent"... (none of which involve the denial of any Church teaching).


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APOSTOLIC LETTER
ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS
OF JOHN PAUL II
TO THE BISHOPS
OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ON RESERVING PRIESTLY ORDINATION
TO MEN ALONE

I. The Authoritative Status of the Teaching in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis

In the pope’s apostolic letter, Ordinatio sacerdotalis he wrote:

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed … [Más]

This good man has done so much good, especially in his leadership in organizing and writing the Catechism of the Catholic Church, that it is astonishing to hear him make such an apparently careless statement. There is a big difference between doctrinal dissent and the three innocuous examples of "dissent" he listed (none of which involve the denial of any Church teaching).

Is it true that there is "no problem" with the Pfarrer-Initiative? The spokesman for His Eminence immediately qualified … [Más]