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tbswv 09/09/2012 22:09:16

How is that Jewish religious leaders have any influence in the inner workings of the Roman Church? Answer: Oecuminism. They are as arrogant now as when they were during Christ's time. The Roman Catholic Church was founded by Christ Himself. The Jews rejected Our Lord as their Messaiha, and still reject Him to this day. So, no they are not on equal footing with the Roman Catholic Church and in fact are enemies of Christianity. I know, too harsh for some on this web site to accept. Read some … [Más]

thelastconvert 08/09/2012 09:51:56

No one should be surprised with this!
Many of the people in the Vatican do not believe in Our Lord or Our Lady (they just work there). This topic is a safe side issue and is put up to distract you from the real issue. When the "Peace Plan of Assisi" replaced the "Peace Plan of Our Lady of Fatima" things changed. The issue concerning the Jews and other issues like this are just distractions. Dig a little deeper. . .

holyrope 3 02/10/2011 20:59:33

@AaronBrennan...

And how do you think we can "focus" on all the disobedient priests, pastors and bishops...you know those who try to refuse us Communion because we wish to kneel or even receive on the tongue? The same priests and pastors who tell the faithfull and the 1st communicants that they are to receive ONLY in the hand while standing? And the pastors who have refused boys for training as altar servers because they say "they need to train more girls first." The list is too long, but … [Más]

Temperance 02/10/2011 20:28:03

I believe that theschism with theLefebvrists is more important than the Jews! The Jews have had 2000 years to join and haven't! If we forget about theLefebvrists the Jews still wouldn't convert. They had Christ Himself and they killed Him. They will only convert when God wills it. It is more important to focus on our fallen priests the Lefebvrists.

ACLumsden 01/10/2011 21:15:25

Back to the topic at hand: I believe that the priority of Holy Mother Church is the Salvation of Souls. There is NO segregation, prejudice or heirarchy of importance: jew, gentile; African, Polynesian; Caribbean, American; British, Roman - all are the Lord's and ALL are loved by God; ALL are worth the Church's attention and evangelisation efforts.

ACLumsden 01/10/2011 12:12:05

SBpfu -

ACLumsden 01/10/2011 12:00:06

SBpfu

Quite......

Therefore? The egg is on the faces of the ill-bred chaps on this thread. This is simply because it took a littera legis stand to stop it; a thing most unfortunate indeed, for it betokens a personality which is quite arrested (as I have described below). Let us therefore keep these chaps in prayer.

ACLumsden 01/10/2011 08:38:17

Hi SBpfu -

Indeed, as I said before, the comments made by some rather ill-bred chaps on this thread are NOT to be condoned in the least. On the other hand, why does it have to take an actual legal tenet, i.e. Canon 1369, to make your point? This is my point. Only children require that nexus of littera legis to live! (Far less a civilised life - they do not have one of their own (as I have already said)). One need not even appeal to Church Law to make one's point clear SBpfu; human and Chrisitan … [Más]

Holy Cannoli 01/10/2011 07:43:55

Jacobitess,

Thanks for staying on topic and avoiding the snide remarks from the pompous, pretensions, and patronizing, holier than thou, super Catholics who so often stray off topic.

You are correct. If the Jews object to the SSPX's reunification, let's cancel Assisi. It wouldn't be a party without the Jews.

In addition, the Church should NOT pursue their conversion and it should purge the New Testament from any verses that may be construed as anti-Semitic. It would probably be a good idea … [Más]

Jacobitess 01/10/2011 04:02:26

Is that so? Well, I think it would be rude to have the Assisi meeting without the Jews, so let's cancel it! Yea! Let's be ecumenical and cancel Assisi!

ACLumsden 30/09/2011 22:06:54

And that is what I am talking about SBpfu, viz. the quoting canon law without commentary. As I have said "eat green apples!" being spoken to people in the Sudan!

What does it mean "utters blasphemy, gravely injures good morals, expresses insults, or excites hatred or contempt against religion of the Church...."? Who is to interpret this, you? Are you qualified to do so? For whom is this canon law written? The people of God of course, but the people of God are NOT monolithic......

I strongly … [Más]

ACLumsden 30/09/2011 21:42:27

Hi SBpfu -

. Ah, so it is the disrespect for the human being and the office of Bishopm presbyter, etc that is troubling you. I see your stance now more clearly. However, I'm with 'philosopher' on this: there is nothing wrong with disagreement with a prelate, as long as his person and office are respected.

philosopher 30/09/2011 20:49:22

Hello ACL

To your recent posts, bravo! and well said. We Catholics are not slavish drones, but are Imago Dei. We can indeed disagree, with the emphasis on respectful disagreement, with a Pope or Bishop, whom, while having legitimate authority in practical matters makes a tremendous blunder or mess of things, all the while, remaining in obedience and still loyal to the Holy Father, and the Church. My comments were never directed presently, but historically. We mentioned, JPII's debacle of the … [Más]

ACLumsden 30/09/2011 17:41:45

Hi SBpfu -

. I extrapolated from the premises of your post. This was because I am not an advocate of intelligent men living "secvndvm solvm regvlas"; like children without a good unbringing must do. This has bearing upon you quoting Canon Law without professional commentary - SBpfu, are you a Canon Lawer? As I have said, Canon Law is NOT like unto civil law whereby if canon X says "eat green apples" we all go out and eat green apples! How would those in areas of the world where apples are not … [Más]

ACLumsden 30/09/2011 14:49:24

@Trinitas - Quite! That vicar is quite mistaken. Since the 10 commandments form the foundation of the superstructure upon which Christ walked and founded The Way (Chrisitanity). Speaking one Brit to another, could this be behind our downfall as a Country?

Trinitas 30/09/2011 14:45:09

An erudite Church of England vicar once said to me that the
Ten Commandants were for a nomadic people. How truly
he spoke; we have wandered far from God in our lives.

ACLumsden 30/09/2011 10:46:00

Hi Greg,

I disagree. I think that slavish following of law betokens a man not free. He relies on an external nexus of rules and regulations to make sense of his internal disorder or lack of interior maturation and /or development. My point is that Church law is not meant to be equivalent to temporal law in the sense of which I have already discussed below.

However, Church law is indeed there to FORM our interior selves, so that in time we grow beyond the law (hence the coming of the Messiah to … [Más]

ACLumsden 30/09/2011 07:44:28

SBpfu - I have difficulties with two of your statements:

"Canon Law--binding upon Catholics--is actually pretty clear on the comportment of Catholics, especially in public, with regard to the Pope, to say nothing of the prelature, priests, etc."

and....

"If Catholics want to say anything they please, can't they become Quakers or Unitarians?"

The organised religion of which you seem to speak is more like a concentration camp on the one hand or a WACO commune on the other. In both of these … [Más]

Trinitas 29/09/2011 16:54:36

Philosopher, I fully take on board your concerns regarding
the placement of the Buddha statue in a Catholic Church,
and the kissing of the Koran by Blessed Pope John Paul II.

Erratum

The gift of the ornate Koran was presented to Blessed
Pope John Paul II by a visiting Iraqi Muslim delegation
(led by the Patriarch of Babylon of the Chaldeans) at
the end of a Papal Audience in Rome, May 14, 1999.

Apologies for incorrect date and location, Seán.

Bob Jones papist 29/09/2011 14:43:11

timely reflection(from like 1995), on the differences in outlook toward the Church, from a Traditional viewpoint, and thoughts on Msgr Lefbvre
http://gloria.tv/?media=200099

philosopher 29/09/2011 12:46:31

Thanks Trinitas, for the correction on the Koran incident. Nevertheless, this action in Damascus along with the Buddha statue in Assisi are both examples of how ecumenism, while rightly doctrinal as was pointed out by SBOC, can be wrongly carried out on a practical level, and open to respectful criticism. The same goes for missions or the implementation of DSF funds etc. These are good things and part of the heart and essence of all dogma and doctrine, but mistakes can be made in the way they … [Más]

Trinitas 29/09/2011 09:10:10

Kissing the Koran

“I have great admiration and affection for Blessed Pope John Paul II, but the Assisi meeting that he presided over, and where he kissed the Koran, I think was not only a disaster, but a mistake in prudence.”

Philosopher, your comment gives the impression that Blessed Pope John Paul II kissed the Koran at the Assisi World Day of Prayer for Peace in 1986, whereas the kissing of the Koran took place in Damascus, Syria in 2001.

Buddha in St Peters

“The last Assisi meeting … [Más]

ACLumsden 29/09/2011 08:06:27

@ SboC - Good day [tis 12pm here]

I see, thanks for the clarification.

There is one view about the Lefebvrists, which states, the whole difficulty with their stance as being one of ecclesial culture, rather than doctrine. On the other hand, we see Fellay discussing his stance on a purely doctrinal plane. When discussing these difficulties with some Lebefebvrist priests in 2003 at En Calcat, I discovered that there are MANY points of view within the SSPX. Some are just heretical and … [Más]

Simple but orthodox Catholic 29/09/2011 07:46:01

Hi ACL

!!!
The point that I was trying to make, and responding to, turns on whether the Popes have been wrong in beginning the "Assisi Ecumenical Meetings of World Religious Leaders". Philosopher would argue, I think [please correct me if I'm wrong, Philosopher] that those issues do not involve the teaching authority of the Pope and, as such, can not only be criticised by ordinary Catholics but can be openly classed as disasters and mistakes in prudence. I, on the other hand, hold that it is … [Más]

ACLumsden 29/09/2011 07:04:16

@Greg & SboC - One has read Philosopher's comment and your comments. One rather thinks that Philosopher is stating exactly that which the two of you are restating, viz. that the Pope is infallible only within the realm of Dogma and Doctrine; faith and morals - but is not infallible in the realm of temporal authority,etc. Therefore, one is quite perplexed because the two of you seem to be 'correcting' Philosopher, then stating the same point(s) that he made - just in a different way. One wonders … [Más]

Simple but orthodox Catholic 29/09/2011 03:58:45

Gregory

!!!
Christus vincit Christus regnat Christus imperat
Viva il Papa!

Simple but orthodox Catholic 29/09/2011 01:06:46

Hi Philosopher,

please allow me to enter the discussion. You set up an hypothetical situation which, though highly unlikely, is within the realms of possibility. I think that you are correct in saying that in such a situation, [the selling off of St Peters' etc., etc.,] Catholics could openly and rightly disagree with the Pope. They would do so, however, not with the pope as Supreme Pastor of the Universal Church but with the pope as Sovereign of the City of the Vatican. The former institution … [Más]

philosopher 28/09/2011 23:59:45

Hello SB, Regarding your response to tbsw. Not to be pejorative and in the spirit of benevolent debate, and I hope you won’t excommunicate me for saying this, but I would say that tbsw’s remarks do not constitute a Lutherus spiritus. Here is a hypothetical. If a future Pope were to decree the dismantling of St. Peters Church and square, and then bulldozing it to the ground, and building a parking lot, and then selling the stones and giving the proceeds to the poor, he would indeed have the … [Más]

ACLumsden 28/09/2011 19:54:51

@EJG - Thanks for that clarification mate.

My meaning was that they were founded in the zeitgeist of the Lefebvre movement, BUT, as I said they moved on from this and are quite the model for beauty and Benedictine Monasticism at the mo.

EJGCatholic 28/09/2011 19:32:06

DEAR ACLumsden et all,the Traditional Abbey at Le Barroux was not at all "founded by Archp. Lefebvre"....only that the actual founder the late Dom Gérard Calvet (November 18, 1927 – February 28, 2008), was friends with Msgr Lefebvre, much before the "1988 Consecrations" and had ordained to the deaconate some of the new young monks and he supported the new Community, but had no formal role other than a sympathetic Bishop....The relationship between Le Barrouxs Founder Dom Gérard/ new Le Barroux … [Más]