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Persecuted by the sodomites. A student 24 years discriminated against because of his Christian convictions about the immorality of homosexualityMore
Persecuted by the sodomites.
A student 24 years discriminated against because of his Christian convictions about the immorality of homosexuality
ACLumsden
Orbis2009: 👍 thanks for this quote...
orbis2009
🤗 What Do Simplistic Critics of the Crusades Forget?
This:
"Of the external foes of the Church, Islam was one of the most dangerous and long enduring...In its very first century of existence, this sect conquered not only large tracts of Asia, but all northern Africa as far as the Atlantic, engulfed Spain, and invaded France, leaving there, as on the crest of a highest wave, marks of its own …More
🤗 What Do Simplistic Critics of the Crusades Forget?

This:

"Of the external foes of the Church, Islam was one of the most dangerous and long enduring...In its very first century of existence, this sect conquered not only large tracts of Asia, but all northern Africa as far as the Atlantic, engulfed Spain, and invaded France, leaving there, as on the crest of a highest wave, marks of its own culture which persisted even to modern times. Nor did the danger of a Mohammedan conquest of Europe end with the battle of Tours in 732.

"The peril endured for nearly a thousand years, now menacing France, now Italy, now striking through the Balkans, now through northeastern Europe: now on land, now on sea.

"In the tenth century the Moslems held Sicily, whence they raided the mainland of Italy, laid waste the country about Rome, profaned the apostolic tombs, and collected tribute from the Popes. They had been a threat to the peace and independence of European Christians for nearly four centuries when Pope urban II preached the First Crusade against them in 1096"

---William Thomas Walsh, Characters of the Inquisition, P. 23, emphasis added

Our forefathers in the Faith tried to save their home, Europe, for all. There is much more of course...

Also, Jews in the near East, north Africa and Spain threw their support behind advancing Muslim Arab armies (against Christian nations)---Soundvision.com (Islamic)

"If seizing Christian Syria and Palestine by the Muslim sword was acceptable in the seventh century, why was it so atrocious to try to reclaim them with the Christian lance 400 years later?"---Phillip Jenkins

That we press on to better things now is our prayer and Hope, holding no grudges...Catholics today have been among those in the forefront of opposing Israeli persecution of Palestinians....

stephen-hand2010.blogspot.com/search/label/Islam
ACLumsden
Good night Kevin 🙂 Hope to continue discussion... 🙂
Holy Cannoli
>>>The Islamic militants who bombed the World Trade Centre were militant, those in Pakistan are also 'militant'. Our Catholic ancestors who piliaged Jerusalem during the Crusades and the Dominican and Jesuit efforts during the Inquision, also show that Catholics can turn to this terrible form of militancy.
Rubbish. Only a modernist relativist would believe that there is any comparison to a belief …More
>>>The Islamic militants who bombed the World Trade Centre were militant, those in Pakistan are also 'militant'. Our Catholic ancestors who piliaged Jerusalem during the Crusades and the Dominican and Jesuit efforts during the Inquision, also show that Catholics can turn to this terrible form of militancy.

Rubbish. Only a modernist relativist would believe that there is any comparison to a belief system that in its Holy Book advocates the killing and maiming of the infidel and the Catholic Church which is based on the commandments to Love God and Love of neighbor. Aberrations in those precepts are exactly that, aberrations. Murder and mayhem are not part of Catholic teaching. Compare that to Islam.

>>>Always open to dialogue with a view to the conversion of all peoples.

More modernist delusional pap. If you truly believe that, give it a go in Saudi Arabia. Bring a few bibles along with you to pass out to prospective converts. Record your experiences and post them here on Gloria TV. I can hardly wait.

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kfarley
AClumsden-you're right- militancy must be defined and used in a good manner unlike our fanatical, misguided muslim brothers. Good post! I have to go offline for the remainder of tonight but I bid you and all others on Gloria tv a Blessed night!-Kevin
ACLumsden
YES! kfarley my brother! This is what I am seeking on this Catholic site. Thank you for a staid and recollected articulation of a most real truth, viz. the security of the Truth encompassed by the one Sancta Mater Ecclesia; Catholica Vera!
My chum, the Methodist, slowly came to the understanding through much prayer and study, that the Roman Church is the only one [our Eastern Patriarchal churches …More
YES! kfarley my brother! This is what I am seeking on this Catholic site. Thank you for a staid and recollected articulation of a most real truth, viz. the security of the Truth encompassed by the one Sancta Mater Ecclesia; Catholica Vera!

My chum, the Methodist, slowly came to the understanding through much prayer and study, that the Roman Church is the only one [our Eastern Patriarchal churches notwithstanding]. But when he encountered the "hammer over the head with the letter-of-the-law" attitude of so many of our Catholics on Gloria.tv, he was painfully reminded of the muslim extreemists and that WE were like this just 800 years ago with the Crusades and later, the Spanish Inquisition.

Of course, this was dispeled in his mind by sound reasoning and prayer - Deo gratias.

Now, one needs to be careful, I think, of ones definition of the word 'militant'. The Islamic militants who bombed the World Trade Centre were militant, those in Pakistan are also 'militant'. Our Catholic ancestors who piliaged Jerusalem during the Crusades and the Dominican and Jesuit efforts during the Inquision, also show that Catholics can turn to this terrible form of militancy. Therefore, I think one ought to excercise caution in approving 'militancy' if one does not first define it.

I would define 'good' militancy as: steadfast love of Christ Jesus in others and oneself resulting in the upholding of his teachings made manifest in His Holy Roman Church with dignity, love, and a pedagogical disposition. Always open to dialogue with a view to the conversion of all peoples. The methodology for which, must be left up to the power of Holy Spirit, and the gifts one has to be used by same for the glorification of the one triune God, and Him alone! After all, He left the 99 sheep to go after the one stray - this is real love. Therefore, conversion practices ought never to involve people trying to 'make it happen', this usually ends in frustration. It is all God's work through us.
kfarley
Being "militant" is not necessarily a bad thing-you just need to be on the correct side of the fight. Being emotional and militant are what makes up liberal thinking-the only bad thing about this is, they are on the wrong side of God in their militancy. You need to be unflinching when it comes to issues concerning morality-if this turns people off so be it. I would rather not convert somebody from …More
Being "militant" is not necessarily a bad thing-you just need to be on the correct side of the fight. Being emotional and militant are what makes up liberal thinking-the only bad thing about this is, they are on the wrong side of God in their militancy. You need to be unflinching when it comes to issues concerning morality-if this turns people off so be it. I would rather not convert somebody from another denomination in to Catholicism by getting them to believe I agreed with something the Church is against. We are to stand firm in our beliefs and show kindness to others. Militant behavior can also be understanding and realize there are those who do not wish to give up their sinfullness and therefore all you can do is release them and pray for them-maybe someday they'll return. Emotion is part of the human condition-you do not make decisions based on emotion but it will always be a factor that people have to deal with. The Church's teaching on morality is the final reality. Because the Catholic Church stands firm on moral teaching it is the most persecuted Church on earth. If you stay with the moral doctrine of the Church you'll always be right in what you do. Many people will be put off by this and not want to join but many will see this as the great strength of our Holy Apostolic Church and see their own church for what it truly is-a church that fragmented long ago from the Catholic Church. Free-will determines whether someone wants to embrace truth or embrace the lie.
ACLumsden
👌 Ok folks. This is not about intellect, nor is it about me defending 'abuse and or moral licence'. I do agree subjectively that the poor girl in this video is at the end of the proverbial 'sticky stick' as a direct result of religious prejudice. Indeed, subjectively, it is clear that she is right [to us Catholics]. The Magesterium is clear on what homosexual practices are and that they are morally …More
👌 Ok folks. This is not about intellect, nor is it about me defending 'abuse and or moral licence'. I do agree subjectively that the poor girl in this video is at the end of the proverbial 'sticky stick' as a direct result of religious prejudice. Indeed, subjectively, it is clear that she is right [to us Catholics]. The Magesterium is clear on what homosexual practices are and that they are morally 'disordered'. I do hope she wins!

However, objectively, I amNOT about emotive decisions upon the correctness or incorrectness of a certain point of view. This is my point. If a non-catholic were to stray upon this discussion, all he/she would read about our faith are militant, emotive religious folk 'hammering' there beliefs impelled by pure emotion. How then could this site be used as a tool of evangelisation?

If I just tell a lad that 2 2=4 and agressively inform him that that is just how it is, would he learn anything? However, if I did explain that 2 apples added to 2 apples would add up to 4 apples, and demonstrate this with the fruit, wouldn't he not appreciate the above equation (both side thereof) and so learn more completely?

So too with Catholic doctrine and dogma. If we just agressively inform chaps that this is just how it is, we do them an injustice, and put them on the defensive - no one learns anything. However, by debating and showing why we are correct through objective arguments, supported by Church documents and scripture, we achieve much more in the way of convincing the non-believer (and even sometimes a believer!) that we are right.

e.g. A chum of mine who is Methodist, and strayed upon Gloria.tv was very turned off of Roman Catholicism because of the agressive stance of many here; he changed his mind on converting as a result - thinking we are like the militant muslims, extreem. However, I am happy to report that two chums and I managed to show him convincingly that the Church is good and balanced and that we aren't like the militant muslims!

This is behind my 'hands-off' approach to many of the postings on Gloria.tv, but it doesn't mean that I do not believe our Church's decrees. In fact, I teach them at tertiary level. Emotion has its place, but in a public forum a more objective stance in debate might be better towards showing the world that WE Roman Catholics are not luke- warm extreemists, but are prepared to show why we believe what we believe; as opposed to just emotively insisting on what we belive.... 🙂 . Pax fratres. 🙂
kfarley
Holy Cannoli you brought up an interesting point about Islam and its paradox to liberal views on homosexuality. Liberals embrace Islam for one reason only-Islam hates Christianity. Liberals do not realize that they themselves would be subject to torture, persecution and death if they were to live under an islamic theocracy for their liberal stances on homosexuality, women's "rights"-(abortion foremost …More
Holy Cannoli you brought up an interesting point about Islam and its paradox to liberal views on homosexuality. Liberals embrace Islam for one reason only-Islam hates Christianity. Liberals do not realize that they themselves would be subject to torture, persecution and death if they were to live under an islamic theocracy for their liberal stances on homosexuality, women's "rights"-(abortion foremost) and generally all of their viewpoints on society. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder. If this young woman were to embrace islam the liberals would praise her, buy her a prayer rug and alot her time during the day to pray and face Mecca. Liberals find an ally in islam in their mutual hate for Christianity-liberals conveniently forget that islam itself has nothing but contempt for their liberal viewpoints. Rhemes1582 brings up an interesting point worth noting also-the United Kingdom because of its toleration of islam has now found itself being overtaken by the radical islamic immigrants that have flooded into their countries. The radical islamists shout treasonous, murderous intentions towards the Queen and Western society and the United Kingdom does nothing to imprison them or deport them! Liberalism is a suicidal mental disorder that ends up killing any society that subscribes to its mindset. We in the United States are now subject to an entire administration headed by Obama that has publicly given testimony that it agrees with the doctrines of communism. Obama is a Communist/Socialist and countless others in this administration tout Chairman Mao, Lennin, Stalin, Marx as their mentors and people they have adopted their political viewpoints from! Liberalism tries to make murky what is truly clear. This video could not be more clear-the woman is on the side of right and the university has chosen the side of darkness. Satan prefers to "negotiate" pretending the side of evil needs to be heard also-nonsense! Evil needs to be stopped not adopted. Satan nevers stops promoting evil and Christians like this woman are willing to say that they won't stop fighting for Christ and what is right.
Holy Cannoli
It could not be any clearer. 👍
Indeed. But, evidently, it is not clear to everyone.
Eyes have they, and they see not; They have ears, and they hear not. (Psalm 135)
Hopefully the Georgia legislature will threaten to simply defund Augusta State and the perps in the Administration forced to pay any monetary damages. Then we will see if they still demand that she abandon her Christian beliefs and …More
It could not be any clearer. 👍

Indeed. But, evidently, it is not clear to everyone.
Eyes have they, and they see not; They have ears, and they hear not. (Psalm 135)

Hopefully the Georgia legislature will threaten to simply defund Augusta State and the perps in the Administration forced to pay any monetary damages. Then we will see if they still demand that she abandon her Christian beliefs and that she attend a re-education camp.

Also, I wonder how Augusta State would respond if Jen decided to convert to Islam and would then beleive that all homosexuals should be stoned to death?
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kfarley
Here both sides are given however-the girl wants to express her Christianity and because of this the university wants to send her to liberal "diversity training" (diversity in a liberal's mind is to agree with them) and throw this girl out of the program. I personally would not want to suffer through hearing the anti-God representative give an on camera interview to express thier demonic viewpoint …More
Here both sides are given however-the girl wants to express her Christianity and because of this the university wants to send her to liberal "diversity training" (diversity in a liberal's mind is to agree with them) and throw this girl out of the program. I personally would not want to suffer through hearing the anti-God representative give an on camera interview to express thier demonic viewpoint. The 2 sides are represented here-the girl is for Christ, the university is not. It could not be any clearer.
ACLumsden
Indeed Holy Connoli. However, that is probably where the USA and the UK differ in cultural sentiment. If both the University's stance and the student's stance were presented together, it would better equip us to make a more informed personal moral judgement here. As it is now, only her point of view is presented for our consideration in this video. As I said earlier, a one-sided argument is not …More
Indeed Holy Connoli. However, that is probably where the USA and the UK differ in cultural sentiment. If both the University's stance and the student's stance were presented together, it would better equip us to make a more informed personal moral judgement here. As it is now, only her point of view is presented for our consideration in this video. As I said earlier, a one-sided argument is not really worth much.

Kfarley. I do appreciate your thoughts on this matter. I do agree with you. Be objectively, this video only presents the girl's point of view. So I remain up in arms as to what to think, since the University's view was not officially presented by a representative of same.

When an argment only has one side presented, it just remains located in the emotions - does this augur well for good responsible reporting? I think not. But, we shall see how this issue develops.... ✍️
kfarley
This student seems very sincere and is taking on a cross of rejection because she refuses to reject her Christian values in the face of the anti-God individuals who run the university. She is to be commended for her vigilance.
Holy Cannoli
If there is something in this student's video that is “sensationalistic”,
I don't see it. She expresses herself as a Christian in a clam, dignified, measured and
sincere manner. After hearing her and the confirmation given by
NUMEROUS news sources, I, as an outsider, hope that she be permitted
to complete her studies at Augusta State if she chooses to do so.
In addition, I hope that the court gives …More
If there is something in this student's video that is “sensationalistic”,
I don't see it. She expresses herself as a Christian in a clam, dignified, measured and
sincere manner. After hearing her and the confirmation given by
NUMEROUS news sources, I, as an outsider, hope that she be permitted
to complete her studies at Augusta State if she chooses to do so.
In addition, I hope that the court gives this leftist institution and
other institutions who may be similarly inclined, a lesion in what
the First Amendment to the Constitution actually means.
(until the Obama Administration tries to repeal it except for Muslims)
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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ACLumsden
Dear fellow Roman Catholics,
I have not set myself against the content of this video, nor have I said that it is untrue. Nevertheless, would it be preferable to have these very sensitive issues dealt with in a calm, rational, ordered and balanced way? I rather think so... Hence my request for the University's reply (thanks for this JTLuizza). 👍 Sensationalism neither helps the Catholic cause nor …More
Dear fellow Roman Catholics,

I have not set myself against the content of this video, nor have I said that it is untrue. Nevertheless, would it be preferable to have these very sensitive issues dealt with in a calm, rational, ordered and balanced way? I rather think so... Hence my request for the University's reply (thanks for this JTLuizza). 👍 Sensationalism neither helps the Catholic cause nor is it persuasive. 😇
Holy Cannoli
To anyone who doubts the veracity of the student's story, I would advise that search engines are your friend. Ultimately, our wonderful leftist, homo-promo court system will decide.
www.foxnews.com/…/georgia-univers…
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To anyone who doubts the veracity of the student's story, I would advise that search engines are your friend. Ultimately, our wonderful leftist, homo-promo court system will decide.

www.foxnews.com/…/georgia-univers…

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Leclercqantoine
sans soutitrage, cette video restera un mystere.
JTLiuzza
Well after a ten second google search ACLumsden, here it is...
chronicle.augusta.com/…/asu-denies-clai…
Remember, only the "thinking" Catholics will need to be re-educated, like this girl.More
Well after a ten second google search ACLumsden, here it is...

chronicle.augusta.com/…/asu-denies-clai…

Remember, only the "thinking" Catholics will need to be re-educated, like this girl.
holyrope 3
what balanced discussion is there when it regards a subject with which the Bible states is an Abomination; a Perversion; Unnatural. We all know about "diversity workshops" and what that means. The only thing we can do is to continue teaching that SIN Exists, a Man going for man, woman going for woman is SIN. We need to Pray for sodomites who do not realize what they are doing; who looks at Holy …More
what balanced discussion is there when it regards a subject with which the Bible states is an Abomination; a Perversion; Unnatural. We all know about "diversity workshops" and what that means. The only thing we can do is to continue teaching that SIN Exists, a Man going for man, woman going for woman is SIN. We need to Pray for sodomites who do not realize what they are doing; who looks at Holy Scripture as some antiquated book. Bottom line is homosexuality is a SIN, A Mortal Sin, period!
ACLumsden
Hummmm,..... I remain unconvinced of the truth of this matter. We have only heard the students version of the matter. Where is the University's official reply? Yet again, I reiterate that balanced discussion is of paramount importance here.... if there is no other 'side' to this matter, it just remains pure emotional hype and therefore remains in the relm of sensationalism. In other words, quite …More
Hummmm,..... I remain unconvinced of the truth of this matter. We have only heard the students version of the matter. Where is the University's official reply? Yet again, I reiterate that balanced discussion is of paramount importance here.... if there is no other 'side' to this matter, it just remains pure emotional hype and therefore remains in the relm of sensationalism. In other words, quite worthless to the thinking Catholics out here. 🤦