"As Church we want to journey with everyone as they search for meaning in their lives....." This expression "as Church" always alerts me to read with care what comes next. Where the expression came from I don't know but and I hardly understand what it means. Thanks Rhemes for Fr. Z's take on it and thanks Gloria for the news. - Blessings - Rene

Rhemes1582: Dear Brother in Christ! Thankyou. This is exactly what I am trying to get at; not the conclusions but the methodolgy. Isn't it better to have a balanced discussion rather than a verbal boxing match? Well done bro!

Bluesofia

some people use the strategy of relativism to victimize the sinner using myths as ..." born gay "

Well said.

I would like to ask you a question if you don't mind. I sense that you are multilingual and perhaps you have spent time in countries other than the States. Would you please explain the differences in how these sensitive topics are approached in other countries both in general society and within the Catholic Church in those countries? I suspect that there are major … [More]

Holy C
with all respet I believe this is some of the reason :
1 because when people ignore the real root of homosexuality some people use the strategy of relativism to victimize the sinner using myths as ..." born gay " some pro-gay groups to attack use the false argument of discrimination ( cliché ) this is the new way to stone a prophet
and with the Judge Not! We are the tolerant society. they use this expression only to justify immoral behavior and sometimes used to silence Christians , is … [More]

We must allow that that particular time and place may have not been the right time and place for the style of Fr. R’s correct but hard message.

Likewise, we must consider that this bishop and others like him are part of the problem of homosexuality and its acceptance within the beleaguered Catholic Church.

Once again, Wonder why you don’t hear priests preaching from the pulpit about the evils of abortion, homosexuality and other grave sins, at Sunday Mass? Now you know!

Rhemes, brilliant.

When I see the word "pastoral", I get worried that something is going to go all wobbly.

On a related note, when I hear the words we are only going to "tax the rich" or "redistribute wealth" or "there will be a third collection this Sunday", I hold on to my wallet.

It has been virtually impossible to get a straight answer about authentic Catholic teachings from Catholic bishops and priests, since 1965. This cowardly bishop (Bishop Ochoa) has chosen to wimp out, failing to support his heroic priest (Fr. Rodriguez), obscuring Catholic truth by resorting to cowardly, self-serving, purely political (“pastoral”) rhetoric.

Wonder why you don’t hear priests preaching from the pulpit about the evils of abortion, homosexuality and other grave sins, at Sunday … [More]

I Take this opportunity to congratulate and praise the courage of Pastor Father Michael Rodriguez of San Juan Bautista Catholic Church of Paso Texas, to defend the sacrament of marriage, and reject the Abortion, there has been controversy over the comments of Bishop Armando, yet the truth is which makes us free, I think in these controversial issues like homosexuality is much ignorance and confusion, and as they say in troubled waters fishermen gain, since the document to the bishops over the … [More]

Para los hermanos que sufren por una atraccion sexual al mismo sexo no deseada existe ayuda y te la podemos brindar si la buscas ,

http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=8718252206436265939&hl=es#

El grupo Juan Pablo II Ha traducido gratuitamente a nuestro idioma varios libros de la terapia reparativa , escrita por medicos y terapeutas que le pueden ayudar a las personas que desean salir del pecado de la homosexualidad, Si necesitan los libros se los puedo enviar por email , Bendiciones

Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. John 8:32
http://www.lhla.org/tv-shows/14490-The-Threat-of-the-Gay-Agenda.html

Bluesofia:

Well done!! This is the balance with which one addresses these issues, even though we all know that homosexual activity is disordered. One needs to look at it from BOTH sides and then establish the Church's teachings while being clear that we still love them.

Holy Cannoli:

I too am heterosexual. For your information, the word 'dear' is indeed used in British culture as a term of brotherly affection! Do take care not to project your own cultural bias unto me. Thanks.

Bluesofia,

...the pro-gay propaganda divide the opinion that we do not love because we expose the truth when we say that homosexuality is a sin

Excellent and thanks for the link.

>>> Do try and be more civilised dear

Perhaps you didn't know, I'm heterosexual. Keep your dears for your "dear" friends.

I believe as Catholic we need to learn more about this issues of Homosexuality, because the pro-gay propaganda divide the opinion that we do not love because we expose the truth when we say that homosexuality is a sin , you can said the same about Adultery for example , and nobody attack us using the false argument of discrimination ( tyranny of intolerance) But they Pro gay group can discriminate against us and haunt us, especially if the subject under discussion is homosexuality

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Thanks Mareksita...

Holy Connoli: I am not from the USA. Your threats do not affect me, nor do they make sense. Do try and be more civilised dear... we are all RC here.

>>>you just proved my point

Perhaps so, in your poor "disordered" mind.

I want no "discussion" with you. Kindly do not post to me again or I will regard it as stalking and will take appropriate action.

To contact bishop Armando: bishop@elpasodiocese.org

Holy Connoli: Poor dear.... you just proved my point without me even having to do anything. Name calling? How infantile and unchristian; and you want people to take you seriously? Not with your inability to have a reasonable discussion. Good luck dear!!

>>>irrational ravings

You don't like what I write becasue you are very close, indeed, you are part of the problem. You fool no one least of all not me.

Holy Conni: Do take care dear, you rant like the puritans of which I speak. Temper your irrational ravings with reason and you just might be taken seriously. It is all about converting the sinners not 'beating them' over the head with emotional blather. This is how the militant muslims do it; are we to be like them? I think Christ Jesus and His Church is quite above that 'human' solution to the problem....

Bluesofia,
You, of course, are absolutely correct. Beware of anyone, priest or layman, who tries to either promote the sin, or the acceptance of the sin of homosexual behavior. This abomination has, in monetary damages alone, cost the American Catholic Church close to three (3) billion dollars and still counting to say nothing of the loss in credibility and moral authority to the Church that will remain for decades.

No more compromises. Get homosexuals, their sympathizers and their apologists … [More]

Bluesofia: Indeed.... your conclusions are correct per documenta ecclesiae. However, when you use scripture to support your point of view, do remember:

1. That Holy Mother Church is the sole interpreter of scripture. Consider the following:

Last month the BBC ran a docudrama about chechnyan single women in the former USSR having to undergo the full orthodox rite of exorcism in order to drive out the evil spirits of 'infertility'. Now, you or I can't convince them that this is rediculous, it … [More]

I'm confused the Archbishop tries to please men or God?

Homosexuality is a sin like adultery as Catholic we need to tell a sinner the true with love and respect, but the truth many times is received with rejection and aggression, we call this the tyranny of intolerance
Galatians 1
There Is No Other Good News
6 I am amazed. You are so quickly deserting the One who chose you because of the grace that Christ has provided. You are turning to a different "good news." 7
What you are accepting is really not the good news at all. It seems that some people … [More]

9 Don't you know that evil people will not receive God's kingdom? Don't be fooled. Those who commit sexual sins will not receive the kingdom. Neither will those who worship statues of gods or commit adultery. Neither will men who are prostitutes or who commit homosexual acts. 10

18 Keep far away from sexual sins. All the other sins a person commits are outside his body. But sexual sins are sins against one's own body.
1 Corinthians 6