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How Francis Is Befriending the Pentecostals

by Sandro Magister

In Latin America, they're pulling millions of faithful away from the Catholic Church. But the pope has only words of friendship for them. This is his way of doing ecumenism, unveiled here in two of his video messages.

ROME, November 19, 2014 - With the mastery for which it is known all over the world, the Washington-based Pew Research Center has conducted a survey on a massive scale that gives substance to a fact that was already known in general terms, the startling decline of Catholic membership in the Latin American subcontinent:
> Religion in Latin America. Widespread Change in a Historically Catholic Region

In the geographical area that is used today to indicate the new center of mass of the worldwide Catholic Church, midway through the last century almost the entirety of the population, 94 percent, was made up of Catholics. And still in 1970 Catholics were in the overwhelming majority, at 92 percent.

But then came the collapse. Today the proportion of Catholics is 23 points lower, at 69 percent of the population. The negative record belongs to Honduras, where Catholics have dropped to under half, from 94 to 46 percent. To get an idea of how sharp the decline has been, it should be enough to think that it has taken place entirely within the time span of the episcopal ministry of Cardinal Óscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga, archbishop of Tegucigalpa and coordinator of the eight cardinals called by Pope Francis to assist him in the governance of the universal Church.

The collapse in the number of Catholics has been accompanied everywhere by the exuberant growth of "evangelical" and Pentecostal Christians, of Protestant descent. This was known too, but the Pew Research Center has highlighted that those who are passing from one membership to another are not usually the most lukewarm in their faith, but the most fervent.

The converts to the "evangelical" communities turn out, in fact, to be much more dynamic in propagating the Christian faith. And there is also a difference in helping the poor. While the Catholics assist them and that's it, the "evangelicals" are not only more active in works of charity, but also do not miss the opportunity to preach the Christian faith to the poor.

There is also a great discrepancy in religious practice. In Argentina, for example, the "evangelicals" who put great emphasis on religion in their lives, pray every day and go to church every week are 41 percent, while the Catholics are just 9 percent and take last place in the rankings together with Chile and secularized Uruguay.

The survey of the Pew Research Center also demonstrates that converts from Catholicism to the "evangelical" communities are not drawn by greater leniency on the matters of abortion or homosexuality.

The reality is the opposite. Those most resolute in opposing abortion and marriage between persons of the same-sex are found among the neo-Protestants, not among the Catholics.

In Argentina, for example, more than half of Catholics, 53 percent, say they are in favor of homosexual "marriage," which is already legal in that country. While among the neo-Protestants those in favor are 32 percent.

The survey of the Pew Research Center is a must-read, rich as it is in data on this epochal phenomenon.

And it is therefore understandable that a pastor like Jorge Mario Bergoglio - who as an Argentine has experienced in person the collapse of Catholic membership in his country and on the continent - should wish to act accordingly.

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Prof. Leonard Wessell
By chance I read this entry before the one above. I can only share in the sorrow of the person who posted the video and corresponding comments. In my comment below I noted the ambiguous use of "baptism" by Pope Francis and I see that the poster has well discussed the point. In the light of the critical thoughts expressed I find my comments to be a bit redundant, except for the sociological …More
By chance I read this entry before the one above. I can only share in the sorrow of the person who posted the video and corresponding comments. In my comment below I noted the ambiguous use of "baptism" by Pope Francis and I see that the poster has well discussed the point. In the light of the critical thoughts expressed I find my comments to be a bit redundant, except for the sociological contextualization. The more friendly the Pope becomes with "low Church" denominations, the more will Pope + Friends will develop their own theoretical vocabulary (using conceptually fuzzed-up "shared" terms) leading to their own dogmatics. Is it possible for Gloria.tv to propagate this disturbing video in particularly German, not to speak of other languages. It reveals the inner belief of the Pope so strikingly!
Prof. Leonard Wessell
Magister is explaining the "Miracle of Unity", a posting directly below and already made sometime back--one that I commented then. I will repeat little and try a primitive sociological analysis. Not mine, rather that of Peter Berger, a protestant who has tried to understand the sources of secularization (and marvelous sociologist -- still activity at The American Interest in internet). Berger notes …More
Magister is explaining the "Miracle of Unity", a posting directly below and already made sometime back--one that I commented then. I will repeat little and try a primitive sociological analysis. Not mine, rather that of Peter Berger, a protestant who has tried to understand the sources of secularization (and marvelous sociologist -- still activity at The American Interest in internet). Berger notes: In the everyday interaction of prelates, priests and pastors of various Christian denominations there evolves a common interest is doing good, helping the poor, social justice, etc. that induces a sense of "unity" in actual pastoral or Christian practice where most "true/false" truths (dogmas) are irrelevant. A common view of things evolves. On the other hand, the lay participants are Catholic or, say, Baptist becasue of truth commitments. A conflictual "diversity" arises between lay believers and their dogmatic "unity" and the "unity" of pastoral cooperation where dogma can only get in the way. That is the current situation reflected in Gloria.tv

I will go a step further and assert that the cooperating "bosses" of the various denominations begin to share a common vocabulary, terms which have no fully compatible meaning in a dogmatic sense, but whose verbal appearance is the same. Take "baptism". Pope Francis speaks of shared a "common baptism". The Pope has many times expressed his discomfort with sharp and neat definitions. He must be so thinking here or I must conclude that is is dogmatically uniformed or not intellectually honest. The term "baptism" is used by Catholics and Baptists in the US. Baptism for Catholicism in the sacramental entrance into the sacramental life of the Church. Hence, the necessity of infant baptism. Baptists reject sacramentalism. Baptism is according a symbolic act of adults (or sufficiently aged children) who pronounce their acceptance of Christ as the Savior externally by being baptized. Baptism becomes effectively a public assertion of faith. < Water is poured over the body> is common to Catholics and Baptists. The conceptual meaning of such an act is different to the point of dogmatic incompatiblity. Pope Francis, who has stated that those who stress diversity over unity are doing the devils work, uses the "common baptism" polysemically or ambigurouosly (and that is not intellectually clean) or he is ignorant of Catholic theology, not to mention the theology of "low Church" denominations such as Pentecostals and Baptists).

In the light of what I have written above, it is no mystery why so many lay Catholics, personally and in blogs, are upset. Traditional Catholics are interested in truth which underlies liturgical and pastoral activity. Pope Francis seems to stress pastoral activity + vagues and ambiguous, though emotionally loaded, vocabulary (and, alas, demeans those who follow the truth that necessitates diverity). It appears that the Pope is more amically at home with Pentecostal type Protestants than with traditional Catholics. Eventually, I predict, Pope Francis & Co + Protestant friends will produce their own shared dogmas and traditionalists will become heretics.
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I can only think of the waterboy looking to make friends...
Hello friend...
Lol, the waterboy...
But pentecostals are brothers and all schismatics, traditionalists, lefebvrists are enemies... hypocrisy, hypocrisy,
hypocrisy.More
I can only think of the waterboy looking to make friends...

Hello friend...

Lol, the waterboy...

But pentecostals are brothers and all schismatics, traditionalists, lefebvrists are enemies... hypocrisy, hypocrisy,
hypocrisy.
rhemes1582
Pretty hard to put a pretty face on this news
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The Pope looks happy, with his friends.