POPE STIFLES REVOLT

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Cardinal's demotion helps Pope Francis quell 'conservative backlash' -- for now

Pope Francis is drawing rock star raves for softening the Vatican's image on such issues as homosexuality, capitalism and divorce, but his celebrated tolerance doesn't seem to extend to dissenters within the church, whose conservative revolt came to a halt when the pontiff exiled their de facto leader to obscurity.
A recent meeting of bishops unleashed what one Vatican watcher called “a tsunami of conservative backlash" against the pope when it followed an agenda that sought to revisit long-held doctrine on controversial social issues. The most vocal critic was American Cardinal Raymond Burke, who described the Church under Francis as like “a ship without a rudder.” But as conservative bishops and lower-level clergy in the U.S. began to signal their agreement, Burke quickly found himself demoted from his powerful Vatican post to a purely ceremonial role.

The move sent a chill through the ranks of American conservative bishops, nearly two dozen of whom declined comment when contacted by FoxNews.com, despite many having previously expressed strong doubts about the church's leftward swerve under Francis, who assumed the papacy in 2013.

The Rev. John Zuhlsdorf, a leading conservative American blogger and an influential voice in the U.S. church, acknowledged that the bishops had been put back in line.

“There is growing ambivalence to Pope Francis in conservative Catholic circles, especially in the States.”
- John Allen, author of forthcoming book on Pope Francis
"Yes and yes," Zuhlsdorf replied when asked if conservative bishops are now afraid to criticize Francis, and if their former leader, Burke, is now a pariah.

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rhemes1582

Nov 22, 2014

@UNWORTHY

It is difficult, I agree.
I have come to understand, there are many, A Great Many good pious Catholics who just don`t understand what all the complaining is about. They don`t care for the Traditional Catholic, because all they seem to do is criticize.
In many respects the are right.
Mostly the divide has a lot to do with poor catechesis , or non at all.
I don`t judge them for that, I came from that backround myself.
Those good pious Catholics, argue from good will.

There are others however, that Champion the new direction {NOVELTY} and will try and shout down anyone, that raises a voice against it.

They tend to be very educated, and are part of the Great Error our Lady speaks of with Respect to the Error of Russia.
They are Naturalists: They are the things, that Communism embraces and promotes.

They do not argue with good will.

Unworthy : The Last Essays of John Senior {can be purchased through the Remnant Newspaper} is an Excellent short study, on the Real danger of Communism.
It is Horrific!

May God have Mercy on our souls.
In Christ the King

UNWORTHY

Nov 22, 2014

I have heard Francis followers change the words of our Most Blessed Mother in Fatima and publish here in Gloria (in the Spanish section) that the errors of Russia our Mother was speaking about was communism and orthodoxy, andthey weren't talking about the orthodox church, they were talking about those "madtrads"

Those who see traditional views been destroyed, clouded and silenced who cheer and rejoice in this destruction are Francis followers... those neo catholics.

Neo catholics, I hate that word, because I'm one and I hate how many of us are drifting through the church fingers into a "false mercy mindset" that, 'God is love and forgive us automatically mindset' those who think Sodom was just a doom story, the bible is too rigid, etc

I know you pray for this pope, I know... I pray for him too, but I don't pray for his deadly intentions, unfortunately there are many out there who don't like people who see the evidence against traditionalists and manifest their displeasure... no that's a sin, you have to go to confession... incredible.

rhemes1582

Nov 22, 2014

@UNWORTHY:
Thank you for your comments. His public words, are his public face.
His private words were far less kind?

I can appreciate your good will Unworthy, and likewise the good will of inve_1

Unworthy, I don`t consider it an ugly thing to be a Francis Follower.
He is the Pope, and I follow him.
My Catholic friend : I pray for both His soul and Intentions. May the Holy Ghost Guide and protect both.

inve_1
Thanks for the comment, but the issue has been settled long ago by the words of Jesus himself.
The Catholic Church has been constant : Very Constant, in Her defense of that truth.
I am upset, and very disappointed that the questions of Sodomy, and the Admittance of Divorced & Remarried to the Most Blessed Sacrament of the Altar was given such voice, without the Pope speaking as Peter on the subject.
A Great deal of confusion, has been sown.

In the past the Church has been compared to a Light House in a stormy ocean (Because she shows with certainty, where safety is, and likewise danger.}

This past synod, sowed much uncertainty, and Great Confusion, about how the Pope, and Church are perceived. as we see in this article
By Fox News

The Holy Catholic Church is The Unspotted Bride of Christ.
She has the right, and duty to proclaim the Truth, to a world that needs it.
May the Pope, and those of Authority embrace that grave responsibility , as their great fathers in the faith before them.
St. Pope Pius V
Blessed Pope Pius IX
St Pope Pius X

I hope All Catholics are Praying for the Pope, and the Cardinals and all those that contribute to the Life of the Church Militant.

Pray for the upcoming Synod

inve_1

Nov 22, 2014

Seems to me that the bishops are struggling to reconcile a couple of very important teachings from Christ as they apply to remarriages. We are all sinners. In the parable of the prodigal son, the father took back his 'lost son' with open arms when he repented. In similar fashion, Christ showed his willingness to talk with the woman at the well, and the woman who was about to be stoned....telling one to 'go and sin no more' and telling the other 'if these won't condemn you, neither will I'.

So, Christ taught us to interact with sinners and accept/forgive them when they repented. The challenge: how do we apply these lessons to those that have remarried? When they repent for the mistakes that resulted in this situation, what is the path that the Church has for welcoming them back after they repent? Currently, folks in this position can find themselves as pariahs outside the Church even though we, as individual Catholics, may empathize and feel that some forgiveness and understanding is in order.

It's an important question to make sure we are clear on. Worthy of a synod that allows some different points of view to surface for awhile. Ultimately, the Pope will need to make a decision.

UNWORTHY

Nov 22, 2014

Sad when you see how little love there is in there hearts, "go to confessional", "hyena"... today someone acused me of being trying to be more good than God, only because I said "we need to pray for those who persecute us" We need to pray for pope Francis soul, not for his intententions and his intentions are to worldly. So we have issues on those Francis followers and those who are against anything from the top. Jesus said it: 'During that time Love will grow cold'

Forget about Dr Reid, continue your path Rhemes and focus to grow in spirit, and defending truth, by denouncing the lies against the Gospel WILL make you grow. Praises and forever Love to our Lord Christ the King.

UNWORTHY

Nov 22, 2014

That's right rhemes you are an excellent catholic, don't listen to people who points at the confessional, because you show the obvious, there's plenty of evidence that pope Francis is not catholic.
I wouldn't permit the pope to teach catechism to any of my kids... this is how bad this pope is and it'll be worse when he welcomes next year synod result with his signature in material heresy and total …More

That's right rhemes you are an excellent catholic, don't listen to people who points at the confessional, because you show the obvious, there's plenty of evidence that pope Francis is not catholic.

I wouldn't permit the pope to teach catechism to any of my kids... this is how bad this pope is and it'll be worse when he welcomes next year synod result with his signature in material heresy and total apostasy.

rhemes1582

Nov 21, 2014

Dr. Reiss

Well at least you finally got one thing right. {The news and media are not Catholic}
I don`t attack the Pope. His actions, and words are the cause of all the turmoil in the media, and Catholic world.

Unlike you: that Pretend to be a good Catholic by showing how upset you are with Catholics that openly discuss this Terrible situation.

I am showing that I am a Good Catholic by bringing these things to light.

I know you think a lot of your opinion, and your a Doctor? so I suppose you have a handle on that.
However you may find that a Great Many Catholics have decided its time to air these items, with the hope it will stop. {Like this shameful news event}

That means they don`t agree with you, {Just in case you did not understand}

Unlike your Silent support of Novelty etc. or obstinate denial of same.
I am trying to be a Good Catholic by serving Truth.

You are pretty good at name calling though...congrats.
I don`t think your as good at judging people`s words or actions.
Certainly not mine, and most likely not Cardinal George

Here is another Catholic`s opinion on what Cardinal George was saying...
mundabor.wordpress.com/…/cardinal-george…

Usually I would not share the link with a man of your tempermant as I know in advance it shall solicit a host of new accusations and names from you. Not mention , make you a tad angry, but I just don`t take you that serious, and don`t consider your remarks here in public or private to be of good will.

Look forward to your next rant

rhemes1582

Nov 20, 2014

Dr. Stuart Reiss
This is how the news, and the media see the Popes actions.
You don`t have to like it, but there it is.
Words and actions have consequences: Pretty sure that was exactly the point Cardinal George was making.
perhaps you can write him also about confession?
Take your own advice and go to confession.More

Dr. Stuart Reiss

This is how the news, and the media see the Popes actions.
You don`t have to like it, but there it is.
Words and actions have consequences: Pretty sure that was exactly the point Cardinal George was making.

perhaps you can write him also about confession?

Take your own advice and go to confession.

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rhemes1582

Nov 20, 2014

And what does the world think Cardinal Burke did that deserves this move by Pope Francis?
Here is the answer!
Pope Francis is drawing rock star raves for softening the Vatican's image on such issues as homosexuality, capitalism and divorce,
but his celebrated tolerance doesn't seem to extend to dissenters within the church,
That's right ..............DISSENTERS within the Catholic Church.
So the …More

And what does the world think Cardinal Burke did that deserves this move by Pope Francis?

Here is the answer!

Pope Francis is drawing rock star raves for softening the Vatican's image on such issues as homosexuality, capitalism and divorce,

but his celebrated tolerance doesn't seem to extend to dissenters within the church,

That's right ..............DISSENTERS within the Catholic Church.
So the world does have eyes to see!

When will Catholics regain their sight?

God Bless Cardinal Burke.