Bluesofia

some people use the strategy of relativism to victimize the sinner using myths as ..." born gay "

Well said.

I would like to ask you a question if you don't mind. I sense that you are multilingual and perhaps you have spent time in countries other than the States. Would you please explain the differences in how these sensitive topics are approached in other countries both in general society and within the Catholic Church in those countries? I suspect that there are major differences compared to the United States but I await your response.

Pax tecum.

Holy C
with all respet I believe this is some of the reason :
1 because when people ignore the real root of homosexuality some people use the strategy of relativism to victimize the sinner using myths as ..." born gay " some pro-gay groups to attack use the false argument of discrimination ( cliché ) this is the new way to stone a prophet
and with the Judge Not! We are the tolerant society. they use this expression only to justify immoral behavior and sometimes used to silence Christians , is used as a counter-attack when someone wants to justify such topics as homosexuality, and abortion
The Bible show us when it is right to judge:
16 God has breathed life into all of Scripture. It is useful for teaching us what is true. It is useful for correcting our mistakes. It is useful for making our lives whole again. It is useful for training us to do what is right. 17 By using Scripture, a man of God can be completely prepared to do every good thing. 2 Timothy 3

1 Corinthians 5
Throw the Evil Person Out!

15 "If your brother sins against you, go to him. Tell him what he did wrong. Keep it between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won him back.
16 "But what if he won't listen to you? Then take one or two others with you. Scripture says, 'Every matter must be proved by the words of two or three witnesses.'—(Deuteronomy 19:15) 17 But what if he also refuses to listen to the witnesses? Then tell it to the church. And what if he refuses to listen even to the church? Then don't treat him as your brother. Treat him as you would treat an ungodly person or a tax collector Matthew 18

2 .because to discuss such issues you must have training and knowledge as explained by Dr Jokin de Irala in his book Understanding Homosexuality

3.Besides the knowledge of some archbishops unfortunately is influenced by professionals who are pro-gay agenda, as we saw at a conference that the bishops with pro-gay professional in the health area

4 lack of knowledge of the Word of God

LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS

www.vatican.va/…/rc_con_cfaith_d…

We must allow that that particular time and place may have not been the right time and place for the style of Fr. R’s correct but hard message.

Likewise, we must consider that this bishop and others like him are part of the problem of homosexuality and its acceptance within the beleaguered Catholic Church.

Once again, Wonder why you don’t hear priests preaching from the pulpit about the evils of abortion, homosexuality and other grave sins, at Sunday Mass? Now you know!

Rhemes, brilliant.

When I see the word "pastoral", I get worried that something is going to go all wobbly.

On a related note, when I hear the words we are only going to "tax the rich" or "redistribute wealth" or "there will be a third collection this Sunday", I hold on to my wallet.

I Take this opportunity to congratulate and praise the courage of Pastor Father Michael Rodriguez of San Juan Bautista Catholic Church of Paso Texas, to defend the sacrament of marriage, and reject the Abortion, there has been controversy over the comments of Bishop Armando, yet the truth is which makes us free, I think in these controversial issues like homosexuality is much ignorance and confusion, and as they say in troubled waters fishermen gain, since the document to the bishops over the issue is clear, but the issue as usual is an oportunity for personal opinion that sometimes is a stumbling block, this is where we must go to the origins and seek answers in the Bible

Matthew 10:33 But whoever denies Me before men, I will deny before my Father in heaven.
32 They know that God's commands are right. They know that those who do evil things should die. But they continue to do those very things. They also approve of others who do them. Rom1

In this issues of Homosexuality and Abortion , It is uses the strategy of moral and religious relativism blurs the issue and turns it into something subjective public opinion to disarm the arguments of the Absolute Truth, and sadly see the piture of Raise Your Hands... if you are agree with homosexuality, or abortion??, as if this were a matter of voting!

Para los hermanos que sufren por una atraccion sexual al mismo sexo no deseada existe ayuda y te la podemos brindar si la buscas ,

video.google.es/videoplay#

El grupo Juan Pablo II Ha traducido gratuitamente a nuestro idioma varios libros de la terapia reparativa , escrita por medicos y terapeutas que le pueden ayudar a las personas que desean salir del pecado de la homosexualidad, Si necesitan los libros se los puedo enviar por email , Bendiciones

Bluesofia:

Well done!! This is the balance with which one addresses these issues, even though we all know that homosexual activity is disordered. One needs to look at it from BOTH sides and then establish the Church's teachings while being clear that we still love them.

Holy Cannoli:

I too am heterosexual. For your information, the word 'dear' is indeed used in British culture as a term of brotherly affection! Do take care not to project your own cultural bias unto me. Thanks.

Bluesofia,

...the pro-gay propaganda divide the opinion that we do not love because we expose the truth when we say that homosexuality is a sin

Excellent and thanks for the link.

>>> Do try and be more civilised dear

Perhaps you didn't know, I'm heterosexual. Keep your dears for your "dear" friends.

I believe as Catholic we need to learn more about this issues of Homosexuality, because the pro-gay propaganda divide the opinion that we do not love because we expose the truth when we say that homosexuality is a sin , you can said the same about Adultery for example , and nobody attack us using the false argument of discrimination ( tyranny of intolerance) But they Pro gay group can discriminate against us and haunt us, especially if the subject under discussion is homosexuality

I want to share this information because some people think that this issue is just personal opinion:
Physicians Caution Educators on Dealing with Sexual Orientation and Gender Confusion

The American College of Pediatricians cautions educators about the management of students experiencing same-sex attraction or exhibiting symptoms of gender confusion. These concerns are outlined in a letter and fact sheet sent by College president Thomas Benton, MD, to all 14, 800 school district superintendents in the U.S. Dr. Benton also alerts them to a new Web resource, FactsAboutYouth.com, which was created by a coalition of health professionals to provide factual information to educators, parents, and students about sexual development.

"As pediatricians, our primary interest is in the health and well-being of children and youth," Dr. Den Trumbull, Vice President of the College explains. "We are increasingly concerned that in too many instances, misinformation or incorrect assumptions are guiding well-intentioned educators to adopt policies that are actually harmful to those youth dealing with sexual confusion."

The College reminds school superintendents that it is not uncommon for adolescents to experience transient confusion about their sexual orientation and that most students will ultimately adopt a heterosexual orientation if not otherwise encouraged. For this reason, schools should not seek to develop policy which "affirms" or encourages these non-heterosexual attractions among students who may merely be experimenting or experiencing temporary sexual confusion. Such premature labeling can lead some adolescents to engage in homosexual behaviors that carry serious physical and mental health risks.

There is no scientific evidence that anyone is born gay or transgendered. Therefore, the College further advises that schools should not teach or imply to students that homosexual attraction is innate, always life-long and unchangeable. Research has shown that therapy to restore heterosexual attraction can be effective for many people.

Optimal health and respect for all students can only be achieved within a school by first respecting the rights of students and parents to accurate information and to self-determination. It is the school's legitimate role to provide a safe environment for respectful self-expression for all students. It is not the school's role to diagnose or attempt to treat any student's medical condition, and certainly not the school's role to "affirm" a student's perceived personal sexual orientation.

Note: The letter to school district superintendents, What You Should Know fact sheet and CDC Statistics are posted at www.factsaboutyouth.com
The American College of Pediatricians is a national organization of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals dedicated to the health and well-being of children. The College produces sound policy, based upon the best available research, to assist parents and to influence society in the endeavor of childrearing

Thanks Mareksita...

Holy Connoli: I am not from the USA. Your threats do not affect me, nor do they make sense. Do try and be more civilised dear... we are all RC here.

>>>you just proved my point

Perhaps so, in your poor "disordered" mind.

I want no "discussion" with you. Kindly do not post to me again or I will regard it as stalking and will take appropriate action.

>>>irrational ravings

You don't like what I write becasue you are very close, indeed, you are part of the problem. You fool no one least of all not me.