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Kneipe statt Kirche

Ein Modell, das es in Ostbelgien (noch) nicht gibt
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16. Januar 2019

In Michael Esssers (1.v.l.) Kneipe "Mexi & Co" haben sich am Sonntag rund 200 Menschen eingefunden, um einen Gottesdienst der anderen Art zu erleben. | Foto: Bistum Aachen
Was haben Kirchen und Kneipen gemeinsam? Richtig, beide Lokalitäten haben in den letzten Jahren mit Besucherschwund zu kämpfen. Dass Gottes- und Wirtshaus in Zukunft aber enger Hand in Hand arbeiten könnten, wurde nun in Eschweiler unter Beweis gestellt. Ein Projekt, das so auch in Ostbelgien vorstellbar ist.
Von Carsten Lübke

Über 200 Menschen haben am Sonntag in Eschweiler einen Kneipengottesdienst mit dem Aachener Bischof Helmut Dieser gefeiert. Mit dabei war auch der Westdeutsche Rundfunk (WDR), der das Ganze im Bewegtbild festgehalten hat. Zu sehen ist eine pickepacke volle Pinte, in der es nicht nur christlich, sondern auch karnevalistisch zugeht. Momente, die man heute nur noch selten erlebt – weder in einem Gotteshaus, noch in einer Kneipe.
„Früher hatte ich mit der Kirche nichts am Hut, aber das hat mich beeindruckt“, äußert sich Wirt Michael Esser, der die Idee des Kneipengottesdienstes hatte. Mit seinem Vorhaben lief er beim Bistum Aachen offene Türen ein. Denn Bischof Helmut Dieser versucht seit einem Jahr, das Bistumsleben durch neue Ansätze zeitgemäßer zu gestalten.
Zugegeben: Der christliche Kneipenbesuch ist nicht „die“ Lösung aller Probleme, aber ein guter Anfang, um den Glauben näher an die Gesellschaft zu bringen und gleichzeitig dem Kneipensterben „ein wenig“ entgegenzuwirken.
Aber sind Kneipengottesdienste auch eine Option für Ostbelgien? „Ja, warum nicht“, kommentiert Lothar Klinges, Pfarrer des Pfarrverbandes Bütgenbach, „das Ganze ist sehr interessant. Zudem finde ich es gut, wenn der Glaube auch außerhalb der Sakralmauern gelebt wird. Also mitten im pulsierenden Leben.“

Lothar Klinges hält Kneipengottesdienste für „eine gute Sache“. „Ich finde es gut, wenn der Glaube auch außerhalb der Sakralmauern gelebt wird“, meint der Pfarrer. | Foto: GrenzEcho
Außerdem müsste man sich von einer „Komm-Kirche“ zu einer Art „Geh-Kirche“ entwickeln: „Wir können nicht darauf warten, dass die Leute zu uns kommen. Wir müssen zu ihnen gehen“, unterstreicht Klinges. Und eine Möglichkeit seien Kneipengottesdienste. Doch neu ist die Idee nicht. „Die gibt es schon seit mehreren Jahren“, erzählt der Pfarrer. Aber eben nicht in Ostbelgien. Zwar würden in der Deutschsprachigen Gemeinschaft regelmäßig Vereinsgottesdienste abgehalten, aber eine Messfeier in einer Kneipe hätte es so in der Region noch nicht gegeben.
Dabei hätten Kirchen und Kneipen, „wenn man mal genauer hinschaut“, viele Gemeinsamkeiten. „Sowohl in der Kneipe als auch in der Kirche begegnen sich Menschen und suchen Gemeinschaft“, sagt der 58-jährige Seelsorger. Außerdem würde man an beiden Orten gerne Musik hören und über Gott und die Welt diskutieren. Kneipengottesdienste würden zudem zum Ausdruck bringen, dass sich Glaube und Leben einander begegnen. „Eben eine Einheit bilden“, ergänzt Klinges.
Doch trotz aller Vorschusslorbeeren drückt der ostbelgische Geistliche auch auf die Bremse und warnt: „Kneipengottesdienste sollten nicht zur Regelmäßigkeit werden. Denn dann wird das Event schnell alt und verliert das Packende.“

Mk 16,16
Das ist alles populistischer Quatsch. Wenn die Menschen sich bekehren wollen, dann können sie in die Kirche gehen am Sonntag. Und wenn die Modernisten (Priester + Bischöfe) sich bekehren würden zu Jesus Christus und seiner Heiligen Kirche, dann würde es auch wieder Berufungen geben und dann würden die Menschen auch wieder zu regelmäßigen Kirchgängern. So einfach ist das.
Wie bitte???
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Ja, es sollen noch mehr solche Messfeiern in der Kneipen geben. Auch in unserer Gegend.
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Unless you repent, you will perish! (Lk 13:3) (Open letter to the Bishops of Germany)

January 9, 2019


Dear Bishops of Germany,

at this historic time, make a true diagnosis of the state of German theology and admit the disastrous fruits it has borne for both the Church and the world. We witness mass apostasy from the living faith and the spread of heresies denying the very essence of Christ’s …More
Unless you repent, you will perish! (Lk 13:3) (Open letter to the Bishops of Germany)

January 9, 2019


Dear Bishops of Germany,

at this historic time, make a true diagnosis of the state of German theology and admit the disastrous fruits it has borne for both the Church and the world. We witness mass apostasy from the living faith and the spread of heresies denying the very essence of Christ’s teachings. The consequence is a gross violation of moral principles and God’s commandments. In other words, it is a suicidal process for which the ground was prepared by German theology.

A true prognosis states: Christianity on the territory of Germany will not be preserved without adequate repentance. Especially You, German bishops, must repent on Your own behalf, particularly for having gradually replaced orthodox doctrine by heresies. Only after You repent, there can be a true re-evangelization and re-Christianization of apostate Christianity which has already merged with the spirit of the world.

The true diagnosis must point out again the reality of sin and the source of lies and evil in us – i.e. original sin. Without admitting the reality of sin, a spiritually blind person is unable to see the need of salvation and rejects the Savior.

The biggest obstacle to true repentance and true restoration of the Church today is Francis. He holds the highest office in the Church, but instead of protecting the faith and morals he covers up heresies and homosexual crimes and breaks moral principles (Amoris Laetitia).

Archbishop Viganò, the former US nuncio, courageously pointed out this terrible reality and called on Francis to resign. However, Francis and his adherents are not willing to resign voluntarily.

St. Basil the Great urges the believers not to obey a false shepherd, and he quotes the words of Jesus: “They do not know the voice of a stranger, but will flee from him.” As for heretics, St. Basil says: “They traffic in Christ, and I do not regard such men as bishops. We flee from them – heretics – and declare an anathema on them.

Francis has been called to resign, but unless the whole self-destructive system of the Church is replaced by a new one leading to restoration, the process of spiritual suicide will continue.

Dear bishops of Germany, be aware that in case the process of restoration starts, You cannot be involved in it unless You repent of the spiritual poison of heresies and the promotion of immorality.

A few years ago, Zollitsch, President of the German Bishops’ Conference, uttered a ‘haeresis maxima’ on Holy Saturday, saying that Christ did not die for our sins but rather to show solidarity with those who suffer. How is it possible that Zollitsch was not called to repent in public? If he refused to do so, he should be expelled from the Church.

Let us ask You an essential question: If You fail to lead the believers to salvation, what is the point of Your whole Bishops’ Conference? You have no right to call Yourselves Christians or the Church because You are spiritual criminals and spiritual murderers! And the greatest tragedy is that You are spiritually blind so much that You are no longer able to see it.

As things stand at present, You are excluded from the Church, with honorable exceptions, in accordance with Gal 1:8-9 and the Papal Bull of Paul IV Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio. If anyone of You, Bishops of Germany, does not show true repentance before the Lord, he will be eternally condemned in the hour of death!

If in this state of spiritual death the German Bishops’ Conference wanted to introduce any “restoration” systems (e.g. to abolish the papacy or to promote their candidates), it would only be to Your own spiritual detriment and to the detriment of the Church. The words of Jesus are entirely addressed to You: “Unless you repent, you will all perish!” (Lk 13:3)

(Continued in Appendix 1 and 2)

Open letter to the Bishops of Germany

Appendix 1: The essence of liberal theology

Fifty years ago, a spiritual adviser in a theological seminary compared German theology and its speculation to a dissecting room where doctors mess about with corpses. They dissect every detail but there is no life there anymore. Fifty years later, we can see that the spiritual adviser from Litomerice gave a true assessment of German theology. Its fruits concerning the faith and morals are gradual disintegration of the whole Church and, in addition, total loss of common sense. Today, an ordinary citizen of Germany knows that Islamization is the suicide of Europe, but the members of the German Bishops’ Conference are so blind that they cannot see it. Moreover, they support Islamization both by agitation and financially. Even treacherous politicians have already started to restrict this suicidal policy to some extent; however, the members of the German Bishops’ Conference, following the example of Francis, stop at nothing and continue to promote it.

It is a crime crying out to heaven that Card. Marx promotes same-sex marriages in churches! Under communist regime in Germany, the communists would have him placed in a madhouse along with the whole current Bishops’ Conference of Germany. This Bishops’ Conference does not have the Spirit of Christ but the spirit of antichrist, and the fruits testify to it.

First of all, ask Yourselves if You have the saving faith at all. If You only believe in some higher power like the Illuminati, pagans or Satanists and You think it is enough, be aware that “even the demons believe – and tremble”(Jam 2:19). Such faith or academic Christianity, i.e. speculation about various theological formulas or intellectual disputes which do not lead to repentance, is not sufficient for salvation.

Your theology is a spiritual poison which poisons even the souls of those who have been sincerely converted, abandoned the world and decided to follow Christ. A student of Bultmann, Prof. Eta Linnemann, speaks about a shocking assumption which forms the basis of Your theological science: “the reality of God is excluded from consideration from the start” – “ut si Deus non daretur”.

“We have put generation after generation of believing Christian young people, who were willing and eager to serve God, through this fire, sacrificing them to the Moloch of an atheistic theology. The result has been generation after generation of misguided guides. When will we become converted at last and leave this idolatry? … If anyone follows this way of godlessness, he is no longer free in his decisions; there is something or someone that forces him. One has to do with demonic powers which hold sway over everyone who follows this way.

Human pride refuses to bow before the mystery of God; therefore all heresies attack the mystery of the hypostatic union, i.e. the mystery of the Son of God who became man to deliver us from sin.

How do liberal heretics hatch?

A simple boy joins the seminary. If he had received his faith from his parents or from a Christian community, now during theological study his faith is ridiculed, labeled as primitive, and he has it instilled in his mind that from now on he must keep abreast of theological thinking. Human pride is exploited and becomes the basis for the whole of this “theology”. The saving faith is completely removed by ridicule. The student is then trained in applying methods which make him immune to truth, develop a self-defense system in the soul against the Holy Spirit and, on the contrary, fully open it to the spirit of pride and lies.

Who specifically are the famous German theologians? What are the fruits of their speculations? Mass conversions of unbelievers? No! Defense of the fundamental truths of faith? No! So what is their fruit? Deep internal decay, undermined Christian beliefs and corrupted morals. However, they see to it that they give an air of erudition, or even profound spirituality. In fact, they have the spirit of lies and death. The more famous a liberal theologian, the greater an atheist or heretic he is, in fact!

Liberal theologians and liberal bishops are people who have cast aside the foundation of a personal relationship to God, namely interior prayer! They do not love the truth; on the contrary, they hate it. They do not have a shred of true self-criticism, i.e. true repentance, because of their pride. They have no experience of spiritual battle against sin which takes place in us and around us. They do not follow Christ, for they regard it as foolishness. “They live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things (aggiornamento).” (Phi 3:18-19) Dear German bishops, Your concern is neither Christ nor the salvation of souls but Your own career and glory.

You, so-called religious professionals, have nothing in common with the program of a normal Christian life. Your predecessors in the time of Christ had the same spirit; they were divided into Sadducees, Pharisees, scribes and a caste of high priests. In the end, they all crucified Christ together. Today, the members of Your ‘conference caste’ likewise are going to hell, dragging the believers along with them and crucifying Christ in human souls.

Your theological philosophizing will not prepare anyone for a happy hour of death, God’s judgment and eternity. On the contrary, it robs the soul of faith and salvation.

The advancement of liberalism is the fruit of Vatican II.

Liberal theologians take seriously the old self and ego rather than God. What does St. Paul say about the old self? We know that our old self was crucified with Christ so that the body of sin (soma tés hamartias) might be done away with. (Rom 6:6) Liberal theologians, however, neither preach nor understand this biblical attitude and this truth, because they do not have the light of God. The Gospel does not fit their requirements and the New Testament is much to their disgust because they refuse to accept deliverance in the crucifixion of the old self. They themselves crucify God anew.

Those who have the saving faith have an incentive to deny their pride and unchastity, and to present their members to God in total self-surrender as instruments of righteousness (Rom 6). This is the essence of deliverance in Christ. Abraham is the model for us; the Scripture points to his faith. He was ready to sacrifice his son Isaac. He was ready to completely renounce his own will, and this faith is set as an example to us in the Epistle to the Romans. True deliverance lies in spiritual crucifixion with Christ. The source of evil – original sin or the old self – was and through an actual faith is crucified in me, and thus the body of sin is paralyzed (cf. Rom 6:6). This is related to the words of Christ: “Whoever loses his soul for My sake and the Gospel’s will save it.” (Mk 8:35)

Liberal theology practically excludes the living God, and hence also the relationship to Him. Moreover, it excludes the reality of original sin in us, the reality that we are its slaves (Rom 6:18-21).

Liberalism is centered on the idol of false humanism. The focus is on adoring the old self. Liberals worship human ego with its pride and tendency to moral degradation. They kill Christ in the souls.

This theology shapes public opinion in the Church in such a way that the reality of the old self in us, or the reality of sin in general, must not even be mentioned. It is completely one with the old self. In line with this theology, even the Law of God must submit to the old self (e.g. Francis has called on the Church to apologize to homosexuals). What place does the Lord Jesus have in this theology? He has no place there! This is no theology but demonology.

Open letter to the Bishops of Germany

Appendix 2: The post-conciliar spirit and spiritual schizophrenia

The post-conciliar spirit

100 years ago, St. Pius X radically opposed Modernism in the Church. About a third of professors and students had to be expelled from seminaries because their minds were poisoned by this spirit. It led to a healthy revival under the motto: “To restore all things in Christ!” Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus through the so-called First Fridays helped restore the Spirit of truth and repentance. However, during the interwar period, Neomodernism spread through the Protestant theologian R. Bultmann and his followers. The spirit of heresy was eagerly adopted even by Catholic theologians in Germany (Tübingen). World War II broke out and soon after, one of the adherents of Modernism, Angelo Roncalli, was elected, or rather strings were pulled for him to be elected Pope. He promptly summoned a Council and appointed like-spirited theologians its moderators. The Council’s motto and program was so-called aggiornamento (adaptation to the world). John XXIII was shown the third Fatima secret which warned against the terrible decay of the Church. John XXIII ridiculed it.

Though John XXIII coined a phrase a new Pentecost at the Council, his actions showed the opposite. The spirit of the world (aggiornamento) gradually expelled the Holy Spirit from the Church. If the Council had introduced a program of true repentance – which is a prerequisite for the receiving of the Holy Spirit in fullness as the Apostles received Him on the Day of Pentecost – it would have resulted in worldwide mission aimed at converting Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims to Christ. The agenda of the Council – aggiornamento and the Nostra Aetate declaration – did the opposite: it launched a process of self-destruction and paved the way for pagan mission in the Church and in the Christian territories (yoga, Zen, oriental meditation, inter-religious dialogue instead of mission…).

Instead of condemning heresies, the Council was silent on them, and thus approved them! That was why after the Council heresies penetrated into all faculties of theology as a new teaching! Silent legalization of Neomodernism is the greatest crime of the Council! Another crime is the promotion of syncretism with paganismthrough the Nostra Aetate declaration! Christ’s redemptive death on the cross was placed on a level with the pagan worship of demons! This marked a historical and tragic turning point in the Church.

The post-conciliar reforms did not turn people’s hearts to God. They did turn the altars along with the celebrants but instead of facing God they now stand with their backs to Him. The process of secularization intensified. Heresies created a new sentire cum ecclesia. In that period of slipping down the slope into self-destruction, German theology played a major role as it de facto created unity with Bultmann’s heresies. The saving faith and a living relationship to God were eliminated under the guise of historical-critical science. God’s commandments were relativized.

Spiritual schizophrenia

Before the Council, the Mystical Body of Christ and the external structure of the Church were one. But not so after the Council. What is the root of this post-conciliar schizophrenia? Liberal theologians with their heresies denying Christ’s Divinity, His redemptive death on the cross, His real and historical resurrection, and Divine inspiration of the Scriptures made their way to the highest positions in the Church structure.

The Mystical Body of Christ is made up of the believers united in the orthodox teaching and in the saving faith in Christ. When heresies disturb this unity, the result is spiritual schizophrenia. When the external Church structure adopts a spirit of heresy, it abuses Church authority against Christ and His Mystical Body. It no longer provides the means of salvation for the souls, but rather does the opposite. Church authority no longer defends but rather destroys dogmatic and moral truths.

The uniqueness of salvation in Christ has ceased to be the center of orthodoxy. Theories of anonymous Christianity, reverence for paganism, universal brotherhood, so-called interreligious peace meetings in the spirit of Assisi (1986) … these are methods for the destruction of Christianity. The true saving faith consists only in receiving the God-given Savior, Jesus Christ, through conversion and repentance.

Heretical theology has excluded the living God and put the idol of ego or the so-called old self at its center. Apostate Christianity readily establishes unity with paganism in the spirit of Assisi. The consequence is, among other things, a vindication of sodomy (Card. Marx promotes gay marriages; Bergoglio kisses the feet of transsexuals; the 2018 Synod of Bishops on Youth covertly legalized LGBTQ…).

The new sentire cum ecclesia eliminates conscience and leads the believers to hell by virtue of obedience!

This process of self-destruction in the present-day Church escalates and assumes a monstrous form under Francis. The German Bishops’ Conference is in unity with Bergoglio and his program. This is a heretical body in the Church! This spirit manifested itself already during the visit of Benedict XVI to Germany. Most of the members of the heretical body of bishops did not shake the Pope’s hand, which they could have done at least for decency’s sake. If by the intervention of God the Church went through a process of restoration, the German Bishops’ Conference is ready to provoke a schism and to stand at the forefront! Is that true or not? Hand on your heart!

Mass spread of heresies at all theological schools can be likened to madness. It is as if agricultural production is reduced to growing pests. The result will be famine! This is the exact picture of the heretical teachings of German theology.

May the following event from post-revolutionary Russia be a reproach to Bergoglio and the homosexual network: Revolutionaries with an angry mob broke into a monastery. Raging and shouting, they blamed the monks for treason. They called them drunkards and bourgeois who lived like parasites at the expense of the working people. They told them to make a choice: they would either renounce Christ or be cut to pieces on the spot. After hearing those words, the superior of the monastery, with a swollen face and a red nose, said: “Well, brothers, we lived like pigs, so let us at least die as Christians.” And all of them died martyrs that day. A simple way of repentance – the superior did not try to justify himself; on the contrary, he admitted his sin of alcoholism and said: we lived like pigs. What should Bergoglio and the hierarchs in the homosexual network say? “We lived a worse life than pigs; we lived like demons, so let us at least now honestly resign from the highest church positions and repent, lest death should throw us into hell.”

In August 2018, thanks to a heroic step of Archbishop Viganò, Francis was called to resign along with the entire homosexual network in the highest places in the Church. God Himself intervened through Viganò; however, Francis referred to him as the devil.

The Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate, before God and before the Church, calls on all bishops and cardinals emeriti: Become aware of the reality of imminent death and God’s judgment, and make at least a minimal effort to save the Church. You have been cowardly silent so far; so now do publicly take sides with Archbishop Viganò. You have nothing to lose on earth, but You can lose eternal life because of Your cowardice!

The Patriarchate hereby also addresses the German bishops: Dear members of the Bishops’ Conference, You promote heresies and immorality under the leadership of the heretic Card. Marx. Since You are apostates, Your celebration of the Liturgy and administration of the sacraments is without force, and being spiritually blind You are heading for hell and dragging masses of deceived souls along with You! Repent of Your devilish pride!

+ Elijah

Patriarch of the Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate

+ Methodius OSBMr + Timothy OSBMr

Secretary Bishops

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rose3
Werden unsere Priester Kneipengänger ,das kann sehr gefährlich werden.Wie sagt man ,"Wein,Weib,und Gesang."Da muß ein Priester gut gewabnet sein um diese Gefahren aus dem Weg zu gehen..Manche Menschen legen es an ,das Priester fallen
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Schlimmer geht es immer
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ich war noch nie in einer Kneipe, aber tausende Male in einer Kirche und das soll auch so bleiben.
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@Eremitin

Das mit der Kneipe ist aber schade, denn dort trifft man oft gute und gesellige Menschen, manche sind sogar fromm und gehen erst nach der Kirche in die Kneipe .

Der Computer und die neue Kommunikationskultur ersetzen immer mehr die Kneipe, die Menschen vereinsamen mit ihrem oft alkoholischem Getränk neben sich,mitten in der Gesellschaft ( Internet), das finde ich …More
@Eremitin

Das mit der Kneipe ist aber schade, denn dort trifft man oft gute und gesellige Menschen, manche sind sogar fromm und gehen erst nach der Kirche in die Kneipe .

Der Computer und die neue Kommunikationskultur ersetzen immer mehr die Kneipe, die Menschen vereinsamen mit ihrem oft alkoholischem Getränk neben sich,mitten in der Gesellschaft ( Internet), das finde ich schlimmer, als "Die kleine Kneipe in unserer Straße."
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Eremitin
Als Frau in eine Kneipe gehen? ich trinke null Alkohol und rauche auch nicht,kann rauch nicht vertragen.....also ich glaube nicht, dass ich da was verpasst habe.
Nicolaus
Da gibt es auch Würstel mit Brötchen und leckeren Apfelsaft und in den meisten Kneipen darf man nicht mehr rauchen.
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Der Reliquiendiscounter?
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Wie sollen die Kneipenbesucher überzeugte Katholiken werden, wenn der Bischof Wert und Würde Gottes und der hl. Messe nicht vermittelt, sondern wie Billigware unbedingt an die Leute bringen will. Mission ist gut, aber wer keine Sehnsucht nach dem wahren Glück verspürt, der "hat schon", und das sollte man (traurig) akzeptieren.
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Dabei hätten Kirchen und Kneipen, „wenn man mal genauer hinschaut“, viele Gemeinsamkeiten. „Sowohl in der Kneipe als auch in der Kirche begegnen sich Menschen und suchen Gemeinschaft“, sagt der 58-jährige Seelsorger. Außerdem würde man an beiden Orten gerne Musik hören und über Gott und die Welt diskutieren. Kneipengottesdienste würden zudem zum Ausdruck bringen, dass sich Glaube und Leben …More
Dabei hätten Kirchen und Kneipen, „wenn man mal genauer hinschaut“, viele Gemeinsamkeiten. „Sowohl in der Kneipe als auch in der Kirche begegnen sich Menschen und suchen Gemeinschaft“, sagt der 58-jährige Seelsorger. Außerdem würde man an beiden Orten gerne Musik hören und über Gott und die Welt diskutieren. Kneipengottesdienste würden zudem zum Ausdruck bringen, dass sich Glaube und Leben einander begegnen. „Eben eine Einheit bilden“, ergänzt Klinges

Was nützt es wenn der Schäfer ein Schaf ist!
Die Leute gehen nach Hause und lachen über den Bischof!
Ja, ja die Kuttenträger, lassen keine Gelegenheit aus, um ihren Schmarrn an die Leute zu bringen!
Wassser predigen und dann mit uns Wein saufen!
Was unterscheidet die von uns?
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Was ich schlimm finde, der Priester Klinges ist aus unserem Dekanat und er wird der erste sein, der diese Messe auch in unseren Kneipen feiert.
Elista
Von mir aus kann ein Priester in die Kneipe gehen, um dort mit Menschen ins Gespräch zu kommen. Da sind sicher einige dort, die Probleme und Sorgen haben, um die sich ein Priester kümmern könnte und die von selber nicht zu ihm kommen würden.
Aber eine Messe in der Kneipe- nein!
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Bischof Dieser aus Aachen auf Kneipen Tour. Ostbelgischer Priester findet diese Idee gut.
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Wieder so ein abgefallener Bischof.