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Lay Association Makes Public Appeal to Correct Francis

The international association Veri Catholici published on November 9 a one-page ad in the Roman edition of Il Giornale.

It calls on cardinals and bishops “to canonically rebuke Jorge Mario Bergoglio, to assess whether his election was valid, that is to say, to examine whether he was Catholic before he was elected or whether he is now in schism with the Catholic Church”.

The appeal refers especially to Amoris Laetitia. The group was originally founded to resist the errors of German Cardinal Walter Kasper.

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Rafał_Ovile
Klaus Gamber How do you define Conciliarism? And please cite my specific opinions that you consider identical to Conciliarism. Also what are the similarities of the present situation you consider to be analogous to the Western schism?
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Rafał_Ovile
Dr Stuart Reiss I'm aware lay people lack juridical authority and have only canon 212 to act in accordance with. Therefore, they can plea Hierarchy "pro bono Ecclesiae" in case a Churchmen commits crimes of heresy. Private opinions have only informative value. For exmaple "The Filialis correctio"which I trust has also motivated Veri Catholici to act. As for canonic viewpoint when dealing with a …More
Dr Stuart Reiss I'm aware lay people lack juridical authority and have only canon 212 to act in accordance with. Therefore, they can plea Hierarchy "pro bono Ecclesiae" in case a Churchmen commits crimes of heresy. Private opinions have only informative value. For exmaple "The Filialis correctio"which I trust has also motivated Veri Catholici to act. As for canonic viewpoint when dealing with a heretical pope I agree that such a pope should be judged, warned and declared as heretic by perfect or imperfect Council. He is separated from the Church by "declaratio" when proven guilty of the crime. Not by private opinions or authoritative decisions since he is the supreme legislator. I recommend the interpretation of St. John of St. Thomas,[read more] considered to be a "brilliant professor of Scholastic theology and philosophy."
Rafał_Ovile
Dr Stuart Reiss I have managed to save some of your comments (see one of many below) which reflect your "excellent" language skills and "great" ecclesiological knowledge. I will leave you with the following words for today:
"Medice, cura te ipsum."
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Dr Stuart Reiss I have managed to save some of your comments (see one of many below) which reflect your "excellent" language skills and "great" ecclesiological knowledge. I will leave you with the following words for today:
"Medice, cura te ipsum."

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Dr Stuart Reiss 21 Feb

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Rafał_Ovile
Dr Stuart Reiss theological/ canonical debates were a norm throughout Church history except in times of censorship when CC was occupied by heretics... This is not modern game of win or lose but to establish truth which gives polemics the diametrically different purpose.
Rafał_Ovile
Dr Stuart Reiss I don't doubt Brother Thom has apolegitical skills to debate anyone. Please show some humility and respect for adversaries by providing arguments instead of opinions....
Rafał_Ovile
Dr Stuart Reiss There are other theological positions and opinions which you should respect. The facts show that Pope Benedict XVI is still the Pope while Magisterium excludes the possibility of being two popes. Please be more tolerant and open to other views and be able to argument otherwise truth will not be established "pro bono Ecclasiae" which I reckon we all want.
Catholicism101
Well Bro. Tom, the Holy Spirit may very well be trying to work with him, but it seems as though he's not listening very well.
Rafał_Ovile
BrTomFordeOFMCap I have chosen one out of your many incoherent statements in regards to the present papal crisis which may publicly lead Brethren to erroneous cognition of the reality. You seem to use the Holy Spirit to legitimate the heresies of the highest legislator Francis while at the same time you disregard the real existence of another Pope.
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BrTomFordeOFMCap I have chosen one out of your many incoherent statements in regards to the present papal crisis which may publicly lead Brethren to erroneous cognition of the reality. You seem to use the Holy Spirit to legitimate the heresies of the highest legislator Francis while at the same time you disregard the real existence of another Pope.

You may want to hear and understand Pope Benedict XVI when as Cardinal clarified: "There are too many contrary instances of popes the Holy Spirit obviously would not have picked!" Therefore, a man, also a human Pope, must show great humility to receive the graces of the Holy Spirit and work with God. As Catholic theology holds that "grace builds on nature" and not nature builds on grace.

As for the initiative of "Veri Catholici", which you attempt to sophistically contradict it is in accordance with canonical reflections of theologians (I have recently linked to you The Remnant article which shows the canonical procedure to depose a pope in case he pertinaciously adheres to heresies). Lay people can not correct any highest legislator in the Church but can and should ask the Hierarchy to rebuke a heretic, which is a great act of charity.

"Our (Very Catholici) motive in doing this was purely, principally, formally and entirely ad maiorem gloriam Dei, that is, for the greater glory of God (the motto of St. Ignatius of Loyola), in which consists the salvation of the greater number of souls. Principally out of supernatural charity for the soul of Jorge Mario Bergoglio on account of the very deep errors into which he has fallen on account of his monstrous pride."
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👍 Thanks God. Finally Bergoglio will pass to history as what he is and what he was in Argentina: a clever schismatic and apostate heretic.
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aderito
Where ever there is a freedom of speach people should politly express their opinions ,even if it ,s towards the pope
BrTomFordeOFMCap
Rafał_Ovile Benedict is not the first Pope to resign. No one but God can know who has and hasn't rejected by their free will the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. You missed my central point: this crowd is asking for something that does not exist, i.e. a canonical method for rebuking a Pope.
Rafał_Ovile
BrTomFordeOFMCap False conclusion because the Holy Spirit - God - does not contradict Himself. Therefore if Cardinals reject by their free will the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to choose a particular candidate best for the Church then Holy Spirit can not be forced to work with "whomever the Cardinals pick." Historic canonical tradition clearly shows elected anti-popes and those who greatly erred …More
BrTomFordeOFMCap False conclusion because the Holy Spirit - God - does not contradict Himself. Therefore if Cardinals reject by their free will the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to choose a particular candidate best for the Church then Holy Spirit can not be forced to work with "whomever the Cardinals pick." Historic canonical tradition clearly shows elected anti-popes and those who greatly erred. Moreover, the Scripture prefigures such case that Holy Spirit certainly will not cooperate with chosen apostle Judas who by his own will chose the way to eternal perdition. P.S. Anyway present situation casus is unprecedented in Church history because of the institution of Pope Emeritus which makes pope Benedict XVI still a living valid Pope.
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" the Holy Spirit agrees to work with whomever the Cardinals pick"
BrTomFordeOFMCap
Did they ask a canon lawyer for advice before they published this? There is no canonical method for rebuking a Pope. You rebuke him and put up with the consequences. Neither is there a way to check whether he was validly elected (I think they mean licitly). Is he bishop of Rome (his predecessor seems to think so)? If he is then he is the man whom the Holy Spirit has promised to work with i.e. the …More
Did they ask a canon lawyer for advice before they published this? There is no canonical method for rebuking a Pope. You rebuke him and put up with the consequences. Neither is there a way to check whether he was validly elected (I think they mean licitly). Is he bishop of Rome (his predecessor seems to think so)? If he is then he is the man whom the Holy Spirit has promised to work with i.e. the Pope. We may be deeply disturbed by the direction he's taken the Church in. (The Holy Spirit may also be deeply disturbed). Yet that does not make his election and his office invalid. The Church does not teach that the Holy Spirit picks the Pope only that the Holy Spirit agrees to work with whomever the Cardinals pick (providing he's 'valid'). This stuff does more harm than good.