Looking at #2 as you suggest I see that Vicka is not giving the words of our Lady in quotes but rather seems to be giving her own understanding or a summery of our Lady's message. Reading the actual word for word messages of Our Lady would most likely result in a better understanding. Considering the age and educational backround of Vicka I would not expect the same summery that a priest or well educated Catholic would give.

Thanks for finally providing us with the "whole truth". It a shame that hundreds of bishops, tens of thousands of priests and millions of the faithful that have been there missed it! It certainly cleared things us when Bishop Zanic condemned the apparitions (Oh wait! he never did condemn them as the local bishop!) He must have been doing a great job however for the Vatican to remove Medjugorje from his jurisdiction. Maybe it was because he was imprisoned by the communist atheistic government authorities. No that was the local parish priest in Medjugorje. It seems the bishop got along fairly well with the government officials (go along to get along!)

Seems to me that we should ALL wait for the church to make its final determination and accept that determination in holy obedience.

Bravo, that is why I like you so much! I wasn't there, so how dare I say it might have smelled like incense, but you were also not thereand have determined it is a smoke bomb! Those silly young people....what do they know? Imagine wasting your time praying and celebrating Mass when they could be sitting at home taking cheap shots at the clergy on their computers? I am also in awe of your ability to see the grand conspiracy that has eluded Pope Benedicts commission. Not going to let those kids pull one over on ole Ultraviolet! All those years of watching lawyers shows on TV has certainly paid off! Please continue to share your thoughtful insights with those of us who are not that sharp.

Amazing! you are absolutely spot on! Lets set off a smoke bomb on the altar in the middle of mass! All those people out there will never know! We will buy one of those smoke bombs that smell like incense! They will fall for it for sure! After all they are not all that sharp - they even fall for a group of kids faking a visit from the Virgin Mary calling them to prayer penance and turning back to God. Anyone one should be able to see thru that! Some are even foolish enough to become priest and nuns! Too bad they don't look to the internet for the real deal! (much more convenient and cheaper than seeing first hand)

@Alex A - Is your research more comprehensive and accurate then the multi-year research that the 17 member commission established by Pope Benedict conducted. They found overwhelmingly that the first 10 days of the apparitions in Medjugorje were supernatural and the following apparitions undetermined at this time. They did not find any of them - "not supernatural" and did not condemn any of them. If you think its about the money then you CLEARLY have never visited Medjugorje. While the number of visits may be irrelevant, trying to speak with authority about a place you have never been to, is relevant. The church has put restrictions on Medjugorje and the seers and priests have obeyed those restrictions. (no church sponsored pilgrimages or activities related to the apparitions in the parish church for example). Be careful of second hand internet "research". For example you can find countless sites that "prove beyond a doubt" that the Pope is the antichrist and the church has tons of gold in the basement.

@Ultraviolet - you have still not disclosed how you obtained the transcript of the conversation between Ivan and his prefect in the 1980's that you reference above. Do you reject the finding of Pope Benedicts commission that overwhelmingly found the first 10 days of the Medjugorje apparitions supernatural? If you reject an apparition because it is not Church approved and you also reject it if it is approved then are you setting yourself up as the ultimate authority?