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Benedict Stressed There Is No Rift Between Him And God-Willed-All-Religions Francis

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Yeah buddhism, muslim, hinduism and name it are all ok. But old rite vatican II deniers. No no that is not ok.
Tesa
extra Ecclesiam nulla salus
Dr Bobus
By ecclesia, do you mean the Church as Perfect Society or the Church as Mystical Body, Whose Head is Christ?
Dr Bobus Do you have evidence of "extra Ecclesiam salus" visible case in the proper chronological Revelatory order?
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Jesus is the Way theTruth and Life no one goes to the Father except by Him ,Jesus Is Lord the only one we should adore ,praise and glorify ,I cant understand that some clergy don t believe it
Pope Benedict XVI makes in speech the clear distinction between false (anti-trinitarian) and true(Trinitarian) monotheism as opposed to Francis' signed Abu Dabi declaration. Otherwise, religious syncretists and indifferentists wouldn't bother to force BXVI to abdicate or islamists to contradict him. Cartoons may convey true reality but in this case its author should engage minimum will and …More
Pope Benedict XVI makes in speech the clear distinction between false (anti-trinitarian) and true(Trinitarian) monotheism as opposed to Francis' signed Abu Dabi declaration. Otherwise, religious syncretists and indifferentists wouldn't bother to force BXVI to abdicate or islamists to contradict him. Cartoons may convey true reality but in this case its author should engage minimum will and intellect to analyze documents rather than justify unreasonable Bergoglian religious indifferentism, keeping in mind Ratzinger is the author of "Dominus Iesus".
You've shown no proof that "religious syncretists and indifferentists" ever had the power to "force BXVI to abdicate". Nor have you shown any evidence they have the power to force "islamists to contradict him". Whatever delusional world-view you have is even further divorced from reality than any of your criticisms about this cartoon.

Further, someone needs to explain the concepts of "parody" …More
You've shown no proof that "religious syncretists and indifferentists" ever had the power to "force BXVI to abdicate". Nor have you shown any evidence they have the power to force "islamists to contradict him". Whatever delusional world-view you have is even further divorced from reality than any of your criticisms about this cartoon.

Further, someone needs to explain the concepts of "parody" and "satire" to you. This is a political cartoon, not a doctoral thesis on theology.
Your false conviction of my delusion derives from your ignorance. I.e. you have not yet made a single reference to one refelection on the subject of "double-papacy."

A parody and satire, theological being, should transmitt true reality... Especially that which concern present pope Benedict XVI. Do you now desire to comprehend or still not?
My conviction derives from your inability to factually support your views when challenged. You made a claim, "religious syncretists and indifferentists wouldn't bother to force BXVI to abdicate or islamists to contradict him."

I asked you to show support that any Christian religious group has the ability to "force" Islamists to do anything connected to their religion,except what they please. …More
My conviction derives from your inability to factually support your views when challenged. You made a claim, "religious syncretists and indifferentists wouldn't bother to force BXVI to abdicate or islamists to contradict him."

I asked you to show support that any Christian religious group has the ability to "force" Islamists to do anything connected to their religion,except what they please. You didn't. Instead, you returned to your long-discredited (by Benedict himself) and equally unsupported view about " present pope Benedict XVI."

He is not the present Pope. You can not and will not factually support your views because you can't. If this is your idea of intelligent conversation, you must be a horrible bore at parties. I don't know what is worse your stubborness or your stupidity.
StUart you contradict the reality of pope Benedict XVI being and Francis who officially confirms this fact... (you may find evidence in my other comments) Therefore, one may conclude your statements as abstract and/or schizophrenic. p.s. It is a pre-requisite for any side of debate to know basic facts which you contradict on existing "diarchy"...
"Benedict Stressed......" Yes but one can still hope!
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Cartoons like this genuinely make me wonder if the False Prophet has finally taken over The Church, if this really is the beginning of the End Times. One thing is for certain. if Papa Fransisco isn't the traitor foretold by Revelations, imagine how bad the real one shall be.

Elsewhere Lalanz asked why God mysteriously allows Francis to do what he does, to keep on saying what he says. I think I …More
Cartoons like this genuinely make me wonder if the False Prophet has finally taken over The Church, if this really is the beginning of the End Times. One thing is for certain. if Papa Fransisco isn't the traitor foretold by Revelations, imagine how bad the real one shall be.

Elsewhere Lalanz asked why God mysteriously allows Francis to do what he does, to keep on saying what he says. I think I know.

Pope Francis is God's way of preparing our souls for the unimaginable atrocities yet to befall our Church. Our current Pontiff is like a spiritual innoculation against suicide. God is hardening our spiritual constitutions to prevent a mass die-off in the future through despair..
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Stuart, without proper philosophical tools you will not read reality and wonder from cartoons... If you do your basic theological homework then you'll know there should be only one visible pope. Therefore all other are false. Cardinals Burke and Muller already spoke of the present situation as the final trial in The Church by religious deception offered at the price of apostasy from the truth. (…More
Stuart, without proper philosophical tools you will not read reality and wonder from cartoons... If you do your basic theological homework then you'll know there should be only one visible pope. Therefore all other are false. Cardinals Burke and Muller already spoke of the present situation as the final trial in The Church by religious deception offered at the price of apostasy from the truth. (CCC675) Already many Catholics are shaken and unfortunately more trouble will come for the elect and deceived... unless they show humility and adhere to truth.

Humans have free will and can wrongly decide to sin. Likewise Francis and his worshippers. However, God has no part in sin and to proof HIS mercy is HE allows true pope - katechon - Benedict XVI to live...

Some argue Francis does not meet all pre-requisites to be the apocalyptic False Prophet. Nevertheless, St. Francis' prophecy on Sovereign Pontiff and Destroyer is strikingly in close conjunction to the present situation... Keep-watching...
Oh lucky me, Professor Olive is here with proper "philosophical tools" to "read reality and wonder from cartoons". Lord's Wounds, Olive. Where do you invent such asinine and convoluted dialogue?

It's a pity your supposed scholarship never included studying the concept of "argumentum ad nauseam". You've repeated your "one visibile pope" argument before, you've been soundly discredited and it's …More
Oh lucky me, Professor Olive is here with proper "philosophical tools" to "read reality and wonder from cartoons". Lord's Wounds, Olive. Where do you invent such asinine and convoluted dialogue?

It's a pity your supposed scholarship never included studying the concept of "argumentum ad nauseam". You've repeated your "one visibile pope" argument before, you've been soundly discredited and it's nothing more than mindless tedium on your part at this point.

What is shaking Catholics world-wide is not a retired Pope. It's the current lawfully-elected Pope turning the Chruch on its head and reinventing Catholic teachings to support socio-political views that are diammetrically opposite to the entirety of Chruch teachings.

Your problem is you're obsessed with "two popes" and can't see any further than your own pathological emotionally immature neurosis. Suppose Benedict XVI died tomorrow. God forbid, but let us suppose. So? Now you have your "one visible pope", the Pope is Francis and he goes on doing and saying insane things. Has Benedict's presence or absence changed that? No.
Stuart, if you engage the minimum of will and intellect you may some day learn the philosophical basics and restore sound mind. Otherwise you will orbit around 'science-fiction'... Basically, try digesting fact that no one should invent novelties contrary to the true nature of Petrine Office and Constitution of the Roman Catholic Church...
That's an amusing cricism coming from a man I've beaten in formal arguments twice now. It's also an extremely pretentious one and says nothing good about your ego. The only "science fiction" happening on this site is your own fundamental disconnect with Papal reality.

In the interim, go annoy someone else with your fatuous, asinine posturing.
Try to make a relevant point to my comment.
Stuart Rice and dr? p.s. ...and correct your English spelling ("cricism") if you want to play the impostor role as English master teacher...
Dr Bobus
I look at it differently. What is most important is Truth--Truth has priority. From that follows religion (rather than the other way around), according to which appropriate reverence is gIven to Truth. As Creator God is First Truth. Christ the incarnate God says He is Truth: He is the Divine Logos (Verbum), through whom all things were made (Deus erat Verbum . . . Omnia per ipsum facta sunt). Cf …More
I look at it differently. What is most important is Truth--Truth has priority. From that follows religion (rather than the other way around), according to which appropriate reverence is gIven to Truth. As Creator God is First Truth. Christ the incarnate God says He is Truth: He is the Divine Logos (Verbum), through whom all things were made (Deus erat Verbum . . . Omnia per ipsum facta sunt). Cf Prologue to Johns Gospel.

Thus the Church, whose head is Christ, has the fullness of Revelation.

Others, e.g., Moslems, believe in God the Creator and life after death. So Catholics have certain Truths in common with them. Islam, however, is a religion based only on partial Revelation. It denies the Incarnate God and His Church, thus, there is no notion of the Contemplative life, directed primarily at worship of the Truth.

In false rel8gions, therefore, there almost always some Truth
Dr Bobus Catholism is much simpler than ruptured post-consiliarism. Ie. “Any cult which denies the divinity of Christ, does not profess the existence of the Holy Trinity, refutes baptism, defames Christians, and derogates the priesthood, we consider to be damned.”
-Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia (d. 852), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum in …More
Dr Bobus Catholism is much simpler than ruptured post-consiliarism. Ie. “Any cult which denies the divinity of Christ, does not profess the existence of the Holy Trinity, refutes baptism, defames Christians, and derogates the priesthood, we consider to be damned.”
-Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia (d. 852), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum in response to Spanish Umayyad Caliph ‘Abd Ar-Rahman II’s ministers that they convert to Islam on pain of death.
Dr Bobus
@Rafael_Ovile

1. Denying the existence of Christ and failing to recognize Him are not the same thing.

2. When did the Holy Innocents profess the Holy Trinity?
Dr Bobus
3. Citing one or a few Fathers of the Church is not adequate to prove doctrine or its interpretation. In fact, those who are intellectually responsible for the contemporary crisis in the Church often followed that MO. They “proved” their ideas by citing one or a few Fathers.

I follow the old criterion. Agreement among the four greatest Western Fathers and the Four greatest Eastern Fathers is …More
3. Citing one or a few Fathers of the Church is not adequate to prove doctrine or its interpretation. In fact, those who are intellectually responsible for the contemporary crisis in the Church often followed that MO. They “proved” their ideas by citing one or a few Fathers.

I follow the old criterion. Agreement among the four greatest Western Fathers and the Four greatest Eastern Fathers is proof of doctrine or its interpretation.

Western: Augustine, Gregory, Ambrose, Jerome
Eastern: Athanasius, Chrysostom, Basil, Gregory Nazianzen.
Dr Bobus 1. Distinction valid after or before public Revelation? 2. When did Holy Trinity fully Reveal, after or before Holy Innocents life? 3. Any citation should accord theologically in time and space with Church absolute dogmatic truth which your second part [Others, e.g., Moslems, believe in God the Creator and life after death. So Catholics have certain Truths in common with them...] of …More
Dr Bobus 1. Distinction valid after or before public Revelation? 2. When did Holy Trinity fully Reveal, after or before Holy Innocents life? 3. Any citation should accord theologically in time and space with Church absolute dogmatic truth which your second part [Others, e.g., Moslems, believe in God the Creator and life after death. So Catholics have certain Truths in common with them...] of the commnent obviously contradicts. Such nonsense about islam conforms to modernist error and deception enclosed in Nostra Aetate as muslims are considered by Roman catholic Church as infidels. [i.e. reference to pt. 2 of MORTALIUM ANIMOS.]
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