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Popes have the authority to change the liturgy, even significantly, as was already done in the early Church by Gelasius or Gregory the Great, Thomas Pink, professor at King's College London, told …More
Popes have the authority to change the liturgy, even significantly, as was already done in the early Church by Gelasius or Gregory the Great, Thomas Pink, professor at King's College London, told Gloria.tv at the Roman Forum in Gardone, Italy.
For Pink, the problem with Paul VI's liturgical reform is that it was "incompetent" because the Novus Ordo had “bad effects terms of piety”. This was disastrous because the liturgy is about promoting piety and worshipping God in a way that pleases Him.
The main problems of the Novus Ordo, for Pink, are presiding towards the pews, the abolition of silence during the Roman Canon, and the omission of important elements such as exorcisms, promoting the illusion that the Church can live in peace with the world.
Between Vatican I (1870) and Vatican II (1963-65) the leading theological opinion, dating back to the 16th century, was that popes teach when they legislate and that a universal law given by a pope is infallible, but Pink disagrees.
As an example …More
For Pink, the problem with Paul VI's liturgical reform is that it was "incompetent" because the Novus Ordo had “bad effects terms of piety”. This was disastrous because the liturgy is about promoting piety and worshipping God in a way that pleases Him.
The main problems of the Novus Ordo, for Pink, are presiding towards the pews, the abolition of silence during the Roman Canon, and the omission of important elements such as exorcisms, promoting the illusion that the Church can live in peace with the world.
Between Vatican I (1870) and Vatican II (1963-65) the leading theological opinion, dating back to the 16th century, was that popes teach when they legislate and that a universal law given by a pope is infallible, but Pink disagrees.
As an example …More
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My issue is with the so-called modern experts mostly Anglicans, Protestants, Baptists and whatever else they call themselves. Nobody pushed them out of the Catholic, Apostolic Church. They clearly broke away because they thought that Luther (& Co) was a better prophet (more like a drunken megalomaniac). Now, none of them are happy where they are. Lutheranism did not make their life 'wonderful'... …More
My issue is with the so-called modern experts mostly Anglicans, Protestants, Baptists and whatever else they call themselves. Nobody pushed them out of the Catholic, Apostolic Church. They clearly broke away because they thought that Luther (& Co) was a better prophet (more like a drunken megalomaniac). Now, none of them are happy where they are. Lutheranism did not make their life 'wonderful'... and so what to they want to do? Ruin the life of the 'happy' people, the Catholics. If this is not a 'devilish' intention, I don't know what is! Well, dear protestants or whatever you are... the Catholic Church will stand beyond all of you, as the Lord!
Mr Pink is a little off hue. The establishment of the liturgy took place in the first 600 years. Once established it had changed little since. Tradition teaches us that the role of the Popes is to defend and safeguard the established liturgy - all 230 or so Popes since then teach us this. To appeal to the period of pre-establishment as a precedent for very bad popes to do what they like with the …More
Mr Pink is a little off hue. The establishment of the liturgy took place in the first 600 years. Once established it had changed little since. Tradition teaches us that the role of the Popes is to defend and safeguard the established liturgy - all 230 or so Popes since then teach us this. To appeal to the period of pre-establishment as a precedent for very bad popes to do what they like with the liturgy in this day and age is unreasonable. Maybe Mr Pink thinks a council has authority to overthrow the canon of scripture as well? After all in the early Church........... As regards his naive and false notion of charity, who does he think funded William of Orange's invasion of England? A loan that he was not under obligation to pay back unless he succeeded in taking the crown. In which case he had cart blanche to raise taxes, robbing the english people to pay back his financier. Grow up and smell the coffee from the 16th century coffee houses of London Mr Pink!
"Popes have the authority to change the liturgy, even significantly, as was already done in the early Church by Gelasius or Gregory the Great"
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Popes do not have the authority to throw the ancient liturgical use/usage in the garbage.
Quo primum tempore of St. Pius V proves it (honoring traditional old rites).
Gregory the Great changed only a small part of the Roman Canon (adding diesque nostros …More
"Popes have the authority to change the liturgy, even significantly, as was already done in the early Church by Gelasius or Gregory the Great"
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Popes do not have the authority to throw the ancient liturgical use/usage in the garbage.
Quo primum tempore of St. Pius V proves it (honoring traditional old rites).
Gregory the Great changed only a small part of the Roman Canon (adding diesque nostros in tua pace disponas... to Hanc igitur) and changing the sequence of some prayers.
What Gelasius did in fact we are unable to determine.
Paul VI put the whole Roman Canon aside making it "optional" and purged his new rite (new in fact as Montinian rites of other Sacraments - the artificial bishop consecration rite is the base example) from sacrificial references.
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Popes do not have the authority to throw the ancient liturgical use/usage in the garbage.
Quo primum tempore of St. Pius V proves it (honoring traditional old rites).
Gregory the Great changed only a small part of the Roman Canon (adding diesque nostros in tua pace disponas... to Hanc igitur) and changing the sequence of some prayers.
What Gelasius did in fact we are unable to determine.
Paul VI put the whole Roman Canon aside making it "optional" and purged his new rite (new in fact as Montinian rites of other Sacraments - the artificial bishop consecration rite is the base example) from sacrificial references.