thomasvalle
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Pope on other religions
Ultraviolet
"Are damned souls in Hell our brothers?" --You should have -some- sympathy for your future neighbors, @V.R.S.
"he was unfortunately one of actors introducing the American Proposition to the Church"
One can always tell an autodidact trumpeting his latest direction of study.
Ironically enough, the "American Proposition" hasn't ever taken root in The Church witness its focus on entirely non-Western …More
"Are damned souls in Hell our brothers?" --You should have -some- sympathy for your future neighbors, @V.R.S.

"he was unfortunately one of actors introducing the American Proposition to the Church"

One can always tell an autodidact trumpeting his latest direction of study.

Ironically enough, the "American Proposition" hasn't ever taken root in The Church witness its focus on entirely non-Western cultures and modes of thought.
thomasvalle
@Ultraviolet The sad problem is that many Catholics don’t know the catechism of the Catholic Church and seem to reduce the gospel to attending a feel good beautiful liturgy and politicizing the faith. As Sheen would say, “maybe there has been too much emphasis on the doctrine and not enough on the doing”
V.R.S.
So other religions are just like Joseph Djugashvili, Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot. Like malthusianism, communism or jacobinism. God also permitted them.And last but not least - yes - satanism. So let's gather together and collaborate in some Assisi or Abu Dhabi. Just kidding.
thomasvalle
You could take statements of any pope in history and twist and misrepresent them too; people do this all the time with Sacred Scripture. In reality, Pope Francis was simply calling for people to love neighbor as you love yourself, regardless of their religion. Christ gave the parable of the Good Samaritan, when the Pharisee tried to test him into explaining who he meant by loving one’s neighbor. …More
You could take statements of any pope in history and twist and misrepresent them too; people do this all the time with Sacred Scripture. In reality, Pope Francis was simply calling for people to love neighbor as you love yourself, regardless of their religion. Christ gave the parable of the Good Samaritan, when the Pharisee tried to test him into explaining who he meant by loving one’s neighbor. The pope was speaking in the context of his trip to Islamic countries, where he said he wanted to follow in the footsteps of St. Francis of Assisi, who brought a message of peace and fraternity to the Sultan 800 years ago, and St. John Paul II, who visited Morocco in 1985.
V.R.S.
@thomasvalle
"Christ gave the parable of the Good Samaritan"
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Yes, Christ gave the parable of the Good Samaritan in whom the Church used to see Christ Himself before Total Insanity of times of Great Apostasy (cf. e.g. vatican.va/…nts/20211016-videomessaggio-movimentipopolari.html ) started to mock the Holy Gospel.
"St. Francis of Assisi, who brought a message of peace and fraternity to the …More
@thomasvalle
"Christ gave the parable of the Good Samaritan"
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Yes, Christ gave the parable of the Good Samaritan in whom the Church used to see Christ Himself before Total Insanity of times of Great Apostasy (cf. e.g. vatican.va/…nts/20211016-videomessaggio-movimentipopolari.html ) started to mock the Holy Gospel.

"St. Francis of Assisi, who brought a message of peace and fraternity to the Sultan"
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St. Francis was not an impious freemason with the blasphemous liberte-egalite-fraternite on his standard. He was a saint. And a Catholic. Therefore, he preached Christ to the Sultan.
As St. Bonaventure writes:
"When that prince demanded of them from whom, and for what purpose, and after what manner they had been sent, and how they had come thither, the servant of Christ, Francis, made answer with undaunted heart that he had been sent not by man, but by God Most High, that he might shew unto him and his people the way of salvation, and might preach the Gospel of truth. With such firmness of mind, with such courage of soul, and with such fervour of spirit he preached unto the Soldan aforesaid God Three and One and the Saviour of all, Jesus Christ, that in him was manifestly and truly fulfilled that saying of the Gospel: “I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.” ... Then the servant of Christ, taught by the heavenly counsel, said: “If thou, together with thy people, wilt be converted unto Christ, for the love of Him I will right gladly tarry among you. But if thou art hesitating whether to give up the law of Mahomet for the faith of Christ, do thou command that a great fire be kindled and I will enter the fire with thy priests, that even thus thou mayest learn which faith is the surer, and holier, and most worthy of being held." ... the holy man replied: “ If thou wilt promise me, on behalf of thyself and thy people, that thou wilt embrace the faith of Christ, if I come forth from the fire unscathed, I will enter the fire alone; if I am burned, let it be set down unto my sins, but if the divine might protect me, ye shall know that Christ, the power of God and the wisdom of God, is the true God and the Lord and Saviour of all.” Howbeit, the Soldan replied that he dare not accede unto this proposition, for that he feared a revolt of his people. But he offered him many costly gifts, all of which the man of God, hungering, not for worldly goods, but for the salvation of souls, contemned like mire. The Soldan, perceiving the holy man to be so absolute a despiser of worldly things, was moved with amazement and conceived a greater devotion for him. And, albeit he would not, or perchance dared not, go over unto the Christian faith, he did nevertheless devoutly pray the servant of Christ to receive the gifts aforesaid, for his own salvation, and to bestow them upon Christian poor folk, or on churches. But Francis, for that he shunned the burden of money, and could not see in the soul of the Soldan any root of true piety, would not agree thereunto."

Here goes your "message of fraternity". To the trash can where revolutionary fables belong.
thomasvalle
throwing the message of fraternity into the trashcan is not part of the gospel. Blessed are the peacemakers, they shall be called children of Gods. Christ Himself described how one would be able to tell who his true disciples were, namely by the way one loves neighbor. As for other religions Archbishop Sheen gives a proper perspective here: Archbishop Sheen on World Religions
V.R.S.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, they shall be called children of God"
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Pax Domini has nothing to do whatsoever with peace of the world including but not limited to pernicious irenism and freemasonic fraternity of all men. All men have immortal rational souls but it does not make them a brotherhood. Are damned souls in Hell our brothers? But still they are men unless you are buying the atheistic …More
"Blessed are the peacemakers, they shall be called children of God"
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Pax Domini has nothing to do whatsoever with peace of the world including but not limited to pernicious irenism and freemasonic fraternity of all men. All men have immortal rational souls but it does not make them a brotherhood. Are damned souls in Hell our brothers? But still they are men unless you are buying the atheistic concept that one's life ends with one's death.
Concerning Sheen: IMHO he was unfortunately one of actors introducing the American Proposition to the Church (cf. e.g. his musings on false religions in Treasure of Clay - his Autobiography or his ecumaniacal activity with AJC in the 1960's).
thomasvalle
The words of the pope are in line with Church teaching. The problem is the twisting of his intentions. For example, In his “Document of Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living together”, aka the “Abu Dhabi declaration,’ his words were made in defense of Christians living in Islamic countries who suffer discrimination and persecution. Thus the document called for a protection of places of …More
The words of the pope are in line with Church teaching. The problem is the twisting of his intentions. For example, In his “Document of Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living together”, aka the “Abu Dhabi declaration,’ his words were made in defense of Christians living in Islamic countries who suffer discrimination and persecution. Thus the document called for a protection of places of worship, and a stop to terrorism, especially the financing and supplying of weapons and using the media to justify terrorism. In some Islamic countries owning a Bible is illegal, and Christians face heavy discrimination, thus it is a basic call for tolerance.

However the pope’s words were twisted into meaning that he’s calling for a one world religion, or pushing a Masonic plot. thus the real problem is the Internet and sensational headlines.

As for Bishop Sheen’s video in World Religions, what exactly did he say that you don’t agree with? As for political peace among nations, are you saying the Church should make enemies out of countries who are not Christian and demand they convert to Christianity? Can you give an example rooted in Scripture for this?
V.R.S.
"The words of the pope are in line with Church teaching. The problem is the twisting of his intentions"
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There had never been a problem with papal intentions (subjectivism) when it comes to Church documents before post-conciliar popes came. The Church documents were to transmit the objective truth not lies e.g. of religious liberalism.
thomasvalle
The problem is the media. Today, the internet and myriad of channels of self-appointed inquisitors dissecting every single word the pope says give their distorted interpretations, often with worst possible spin. People twist the councils and words of the pope with the same skill as people twist and misinterpret the Sacred Scriptures. Then you have some Catholics even besmirch Bishop Sheen as somehow …More
The problem is the media. Today, the internet and myriad of channels of self-appointed inquisitors dissecting every single word the pope says give their distorted interpretations, often with worst possible spin. People twist the councils and words of the pope with the same skill as people twist and misinterpret the Sacred Scriptures. Then you have some Catholics even besmirch Bishop Sheen as somehow not Catholic enough for them.. But Pope Benedict XVI describes the False Vatican II council of the media here: youtu.be/CfTWC5lPshM