JTLiuzza
Ludovic is correct. Until Fatima is OBEYED, it will only get worse. Where is the devotion to the Blessed Virgin that our Lord wishes and that He laid out as to how to bring forth? Where is the conversion of Russia? Where is the promised period of peace? Either our Lady was a liar or the conditions haven't been fulfilled (effeminate blabbermouths on this site notwithstanding). If you have eyes, …More
Ludovic is correct. Until Fatima is OBEYED, it will only get worse. Where is the devotion to the Blessed Virgin that our Lord wishes and that He laid out as to how to bring forth? Where is the conversion of Russia? Where is the promised period of peace? Either our Lady was a liar or the conditions haven't been fulfilled (effeminate blabbermouths on this site notwithstanding). If you have eyes, see. Will the Lord capitulate on His instruction? Only an imbecile would think so. We do what He wishes or reap it.
Ludovic Denim
Yes, there is this book from the Father Kramer that summed up the denial (and lies) of the Modernists at the Vatican in order to not consecrate Russia : fatima.org/…/Devils-Final-Ba…

And Pope Pius XI warned us in this encyclical that we must not accept to be cheated on, because one day or another communism will make its come back.
Dr Bobus
@JTLiuzza

I was in the Crescent City toward the end of May for the funeral of an old friend who was a priest in the Archdiocese and for some time a prof at NDS. Also saw Fr Klores, who used to say the TLM at Old St Patrick's.

Unfortunately, I didn't stay long enough to eat at Liuzza's (cream of artichoke and shrimp soup!) or have some charbroiled oysters.

BTW, my "doctoral" defense was in 1997…More
@JTLiuzza

I was in the Crescent City toward the end of May for the funeral of an old friend who was a priest in the Archdiocese and for some time a prof at NDS. Also saw Fr Klores, who used to say the TLM at Old St Patrick's.

Unfortunately, I didn't stay long enough to eat at Liuzza's (cream of artichoke and shrimp soup!) or have some charbroiled oysters.

BTW, my "doctoral" defense was in 1997, March 21, which before Paul VI was the feast of St Benedict and Bach's birthday, 1685) Paul VI or no Paul VI. Don Reto was there.
Ultraviolet
Be careful, @Dr Bobus, Ludovic Denim will delete your comment if you show him up. Happened to me. True Story.
JTLiuzza
Showing you up is no great feat. Neither you or the "Doctor" can see the connection, warned about by none other than the Mother of God, between the spread of the errors of Russia and the complete moral collapse (warned about, in case you didn't get that part) of the west. You're thicker than I thought.
Ultraviolet
"Showing you up is no great feat."
...and that doesn't speak very highly of your inability to do so. :D

"warned about by none other than the Mother of God,"
[citation needed] .
..because your interpretation of what the Blessed Mother said, and what she actually said are two very different things. Imbecile.

Russia's errors caused its collapse and now they're greedily adopting our errors. And …More
"Showing you up is no great feat."
...and that doesn't speak very highly of your inability to do so. :D

"warned about by none other than the Mother of God,"
[citation needed] .
..because your interpretation of what the Blessed Mother said, and what she actually said are two very different things. Imbecile.

Russia's errors caused its collapse and now they're greedily adopting our errors. And Karl Marx wasn't Russian, either.

Seems you forgot both points in your eagerness for a rematch after the last thrashing you got.

EDIT: @JTLiuzza Ludovic is selectively deleting my comments again since this is "his" post.. If I seem to stop replying, now you know why.
Ludovic Denim
Of course, you deny the 3rd Secret of Fatima and you acted as an enemy of the Catholics. I warned you several times that I won't lose my time. Everyone can see your other insulting messages.
Ultraviolet
Of course, you deny the 3rd Secret of Fatima

I did no such thing. I asked someone to quote the Blessed Mother directly.

"Everyone can see your other insulting messages."

...at least until you disable the comments again.
JTLiuzza
Her concern is focused on who is "showing up" whom, like a preening teenage girl. She "thrashes" people anonymously on the internet. In real life? A cowering, quivering buffoon.
Ludovic Denim
No, I didn't cancel your insulting messages so that everyone can see the conversation and see how you act as a non-catholic.

You did deny the 3rd Secret of Fatima. One can still figure it out through you other messages. At the end, I didn't want to read your last message so I didn't even bother to read it except the beginning. When I saw this, I knew it's you this time who have lost your time …More
No, I didn't cancel your insulting messages so that everyone can see the conversation and see how you act as a non-catholic.

You did deny the 3rd Secret of Fatima. One can still figure it out through you other messages. At the end, I didn't want to read your last message so I didn't even bother to read it except the beginning. When I saw this, I knew it's you this time who have lost your time and then I cancelled it in order to make you humble next time. Don't believe that you can harass peoples like this. In real life, you won't have dared...
Ultraviolet
"Her concern"...
I'd like to know why you assume I'm female.

" In real life? A cowering, quivering buffoon."
Said a flabby guy in his fifties about someone he's never met. Oh yeah Jay-Jay, you just da baddest home-boy inna hood. Pic related.
JTLiuzza
"I'd like to know why you assume I'm female."

I was being charitable.
Ultraviolet
Cool story, homes. Needs mo' chest-thumpin'.
JTLiuzza
Got to have a chest first before you can even consider "thumpin," don't you? You even type with a lisp.
Ultraviolet
@JTLiuzza Ah. since you're still here. Ludovic is selectively deleting my comments again since this is "his" post. He's deleting some and not others, basically playing exactly the sort of game anyone can expect from eurotrash. If I mysteriously stop replying, at least you know why.

"Type with a lisp?" LOLOL.. Is that the best you can do? As for you having a chest... I'm sure you do. Probably …More
@JTLiuzza Ah. since you're still here. Ludovic is selectively deleting my comments again since this is "his" post. He's deleting some and not others, basically playing exactly the sort of game anyone can expect from eurotrash. If I mysteriously stop replying, at least you know why.

"Type with a lisp?" LOLOL.. Is that the best you can do? As for you having a chest... I'm sure you do. Probably makes Dwayne Johnson jealous every time he sees you lifting down at the gym. You also have a black belt in five martial arts, a gun collection that makes Chuck Norris tremble in fear, Vin Diesel asked you for driving lesson when he was doing Fast and the Furious, and Kenner is going to release a special ultimate HE-MAN action figure of you sometime next year. Did I miss anything?
Ludovic Denim
Since you're posting here, I deleted just one message of you because you went too far but I didn't delete your other boring messages. You were engaging a new conversation that was not necessary at all. You continued here, so that's enough. I won't let you do what ever you want and insulting the Catholic faith on my page. What you speak is not Catholic, so Catholics must not lose their time to …More
Since you're posting here, I deleted just one message of you because you went too far but I didn't delete your other boring messages. You were engaging a new conversation that was not necessary at all. You continued here, so that's enough. I won't let you do what ever you want and insulting the Catholic faith on my page. What you speak is not Catholic, so Catholics must not lose their time to read you. You're a guy here to deny the truths and you even defended on my other page that you're proud that America gives money to Israel.
Ultraviolet
@Ludovic Denim
"Since you're posting here, I deleted just one message of you because you went too far but...

Thank you for that. I'll screen cap this for future reference. Of course, now that you admit to one, well... that says plenty. These discussions are censored by you.

"I won't let you do what ever you want and insulting the Catholic faith on my page."

I wasn't and this is not More
@Ludovic Denim
"Since you're posting here, I deleted just one message of you because you went too far but...

Thank you for that. I'll screen cap this for future reference. Of course, now that you admit to one, well... that says plenty. These discussions are censored by you.

"I won't let you do what ever you want and insulting the Catholic faith on my page."

I wasn't and this is not your web-site. You're a guest-user here, just like everyone else. Let's see how long this comment stays up. If it does.
Ludovic Denim
Of course, you were insulting the Catholic faith because the ones that lie like you by denying the 3rd secret of Fatima are deceiving peoples. And you insulted so many times with an attitude that is not Catholic at all, so I don't have to let your messages on my page. This is not my website but under my responsibility. Go to read "liberalism is a sin" by Don Sarda y Salviny. You would never dare …More
Of course, you were insulting the Catholic faith because the ones that lie like you by denying the 3rd secret of Fatima are deceiving peoples. And you insulted so many times with an attitude that is not Catholic at all, so I don't have to let your messages on my page. This is not my website but under my responsibility. Go to read "liberalism is a sin" by Don Sarda y Salviny. You would never dare to speak to me like this if you were not protected by someone or some tools like here your computer screen.

Here's the screen capture for the reference given that you likely try to hide my complete answer for deleting one message of you here.

My pleasure.
Ultraviolet
"Of course, you were insulting the Catholic faith because the ones that lie like you by denying the 3rd secret of Fatima are deceiving peoples."

How convenient you deleted the comment. Now the proof is gone. I have never denied the 3rd secret of Fatima. I -do- deny your interpretation . What The Blessed Mother orignally said and what YOU say she meant are two different things.

"This is …More
"Of course, you were insulting the Catholic faith because the ones that lie like you by denying the 3rd secret of Fatima are deceiving peoples."

How convenient you deleted the comment. Now the proof is gone. I have never denied the 3rd secret of Fatima. I -do- deny your interpretation . What The Blessed Mother orignally said and what YOU say she meant are two different things.

"This is not my website but under my responsibility."

Lovely. And you censor when you lose a debate. You forget... People delete things because they are embarrassed. I willNEVER delete a comment because I don't need to. Such is the difference between us.

"Go to read "liberalism is a sin" by Don Sarda y Salviny."

I'm not a liberal.

"You would never dare to speak to me like this if you were not protected by someone or some tools like here your computer screen."

Actually I would. Truly. I say this upon my soul, on my hope of Eternal Life and in the sight of The Almighty God. I would say ever last word straight to your face and more besides.

And then? What exactly would you do then, Ludovic? Share your fantasies with me...
Ludovic Denim
There are your other comments that I didn't delete where you insulted the Catholic Faith and denied the 3rd Secret. The proof is not gone.
I didn't lose the debate with you, I was just tired of your rubbish talks that is non-sense and that had to be stopped.

You're a liberal, you believe that you must keep all your freedom to write rubbish on and on. We don't have this time to lose.

I just don'…More
There are your other comments that I didn't delete where you insulted the Catholic Faith and denied the 3rd Secret. The proof is not gone.
I didn't lose the debate with you, I was just tired of your rubbish talks that is non-sense and that had to be stopped.

You're a liberal, you believe that you must keep all your freedom to write rubbish on and on. We don't have this time to lose.

I just don't believe you for the last part of your comment. I have no fantasy, I'm just used with peoples like you that never speak like you did in front of me. You're not different.
Ultraviolet
"There are your other comments that I didn't delete where you insulted the Catholic Faith and denied the 3rd Secret. The proof is not gone."

Until all the posts are returned in their entirety, I call BS. There was no insult to The Church or to Fatima and I did not and do not deny the 3rd secret. I do not agree with your interpretation of it.

You hide behind deleted posts that you are afraid …More
"There are your other comments that I didn't delete where you insulted the Catholic Faith and denied the 3rd Secret. The proof is not gone."

Until all the posts are returned in their entirety, I call BS. There was no insult to The Church or to Fatima and I did not and do not deny the 3rd secret. I do not agree with your interpretation of it.

You hide behind deleted posts that you are afraid to show.

"I didn't lose the debate with you, I was just tired of your rubbish talks that is non-sense and that had to be stopped."

People hide what they are ashamed of, Ludovic. They hide things that embarrass them, Ludovic. Like when they lose. Badly.

I know I said this before, I may have said it in the post you made vanish and I will say it again. Whenever you can not answer effectively and factually, you say "rubbish" and talk about something else.

"You're a liberal, you believe that you must keep all your freedom to write rubbish on and on."

Clearly you do not understand what a "liberal" is as Americans use the term.

"We don't have this time to lose."

But you ALWAYS have time to reply until you lose and then you make the post(s) disappear.

"I just don't believe you for the last part of your comment."

Again, I say it before God.

Every last word. In your face.

"I'm just used with peoples like you that never speak like you did in front of me. You're not different."

Oh I am different. ;-) I live in America and not France. I do not have to worry about what you would do in France.

Our laws are very, very different than yours. Much more persmissive, especially in these kinds of situations. I know the laws of my country on this subject perfectly well. Why do you think I am so confident, so arrogant, so fearless? Why do you think I swear before Christ and not fear for my soul?

I know exactly what I can do and when I can do it and you, mon cher, do not. This is not France, don't ever forget that.

And what would you do, Ludovic? Tell me, please. In exquisite detail. I would love, positively adore reading what you think you would do and what you would try to do and even what you would start to do.
Ludovic Denim
You see, this last message that you post shows very well the contempt you have and for this I could delete it in order to get rid of you.

But everyone will be able to see how biased you're by speaking about "all" the messages whereas just one was deleted and all the others are proofs of your wicked mind.

I would not delete your message also because you finally admit that you're arrogant and …More
You see, this last message that you post shows very well the contempt you have and for this I could delete it in order to get rid of you.

But everyone will be able to see how biased you're by speaking about "all" the messages whereas just one was deleted and all the others are proofs of your wicked mind.

I would not delete your message also because you finally admit that you're arrogant and that you don't follow the teachings of Christ but fearing only the law of your country. You bear the mark of the Beast according to Pope Pius VI because you follow the so-called justice of your country and not the Catholic law.
Ultraviolet
"You see, this last message that you post shows very well the contempt you have and for this I could delete it in order to get rid of you."

Something you do a lot of lately. No matter, we are almost done here, you and I.

"But everyone will be able to see how biased you're by speaking about "all" the messages whereas just one was deleted"

So you admit to deleting messages and that proves you'…More
"You see, this last message that you post shows very well the contempt you have and for this I could delete it in order to get rid of you."

Something you do a lot of lately. No matter, we are almost done here, you and I.

"But everyone will be able to see how biased you're by speaking about "all" the messages whereas just one was deleted"

So you admit to deleting messages and that proves you're honest about the number of messages deleted? :D Mon Dieu... Work that one through again, Ludovic.

A person who hides messages he does not like never stops at just one. Much too easy a tool for you to use.

I do not delete messages and you do. Hiding things from other people is wicked. Hding them out of pride and shame is wicked.

"I would not delete your message also because you finally admit that you're arrogant..."

Finally? Anyone reading my posts on GTV knows by now that I am unashamedly arrogant. I make no secret of it.

"...and that you don't follow the teachings of Christ but fearing only the law of your country."

See? This is exactly what you did with the third secret of Fatima. Exactly.

You change meanings. You add meanings. I never said anything about not following the teachings of Christ or that I fear only the laws of my own country.

Those statements are what YOU just fabricated. For example. I fear other things as well. Spiders, just to name one.

You 'add in' comments that simply are NOT there. I said (direct quote), "Again, I say it before God. Every last word. In your face."

I also said (direct quote) "I do not have to worry about what you would do in France. Our laws are very, very different than yours."

This is why your tough-talk about standing face to face does not frighten me. Whatever you think you would do next does not frighten me. American law allows us to deal with that, very, very decisively.

So yes. I would say everything in these comments directly to your face, standing in front of you.

"You bear the mark of the Beast according to Pope Pius VI because you follow the so-called justice of your country and not the Catholic law."

Wrong again. I -do- follow Catholic law. You are adding a new statement I did not make. Again.

Catholic law corresponds very nicely to American law on this subject.

But then, I have read the Catholic Church's teachings on this subject and you, obviously, have not.

Please read The Catechism Of The Catholic Church (2nd edition), Part Three, Section Two, Chapter Two, Article Five, Paragraph 2264. I will even helpfully link it for you.

www.vatican.va/…/p3s2c2a5.htm

Read the third sentence in Paragraph 2264 out loud. THAT is what Catholic law says.
Ludovic Denim
You must pray given what you say. You're not aware of your attitude. You're wrong by believing that you're in state of legitimate defense. You're attacking unrelentlessly. If you don't pray, sooner or later, you will find someone that will make your understand that you must not believe your forces reside in yourself.
Dr Bobus
What does Russia have to do with the US and other Western Nations having abortion and homosexual "marriage"?
Ludovic Denim
Russia is said to chastise the world according to Our Lady of Fatima.

The errors of Russia have spread all over the world with the Socialism becoming also what is called Cultural Marxism : Qu'est-ce que le socialisme ?

Abortion is an error stemming from Russia. It's at the highest level there like other communist countries. Homosexual marriage and the other sins were defended by Lenin and his …More
Russia is said to chastise the world according to Our Lady of Fatima.

The errors of Russia have spread all over the world with the Socialism becoming also what is called Cultural Marxism : Qu'est-ce que le socialisme ?

Abortion is an error stemming from Russia. It's at the highest level there like other communist countries. Homosexual marriage and the other sins were defended by Lenin and his peers.

Our Lady of Fatima warned us that if peoples don't have the devotion for the 1st Saturday of the month in order that Russia be consecrated, then it'll happen. Everyone can now see that our states have become cultural marxists and even took an economy more socialist than ever the state subsidizing everything instead of private companies. There is no competition on some markets like it should be in a capitalist one.

Anatolyi Golystine, a Russian opponent, warned us also about the tactics to pretend the fall of communism in order to take over the West. 92% of his predictions were right, and it should soon happen as prophesied by Our Lady of Fatima. One can also read "Fatima and the great conspiration" from the Irish author Deirdre Manifold.
Dr Bobus
Russia did not invent Communism. Karl Marx, a German Jew who lived much of his life in England, was the father (along with Engels). Marxism flowed from the philosophy/theology of Hegel, who was a heretic even a heretic.

The theology of Karl Rahner, who's the Common Doctor for all the theological problems in the Church, is a footnote to the thought of Hegel (and of Heidegger).

The United States …More
Russia did not invent Communism. Karl Marx, a German Jew who lived much of his life in England, was the father (along with Engels). Marxism flowed from the philosophy/theology of Hegel, who was a heretic even a heretic.

The theology of Karl Rahner, who's the Common Doctor for all the theological problems in the Church, is a footnote to the thought of Hegel (and of Heidegger).

The United States is more than capable of producing its own corruption without any foreign help. It had industrial slavery until 1865. Slavery was beginning to die out until the invntion of the cotton gin in 1793, which increased demand for cotton, thus cotton pickers

The US Robber Barons were paying people pennies and used their enormous profits to build castles and fund anti-Catholic organizations.

The present crisis in the Church has been compared to the French Revolution, which happened over 100 years before the Communists took over Russia.

The push for abortion predates the Bolshevik takeover of Russia. In fact, Prescott Bush, investment banker and the father of Bush41, was one of the founders of Planned Parenthood, the #1 abortion provider in the US.
Ludovic Denim
I never said that Russia invented Communism. But it's part of the errors that they spread in the world as Our Lady of Fatima warned us in 1917. One who reads Anthony Sutton, a famous American Professor, will learn that Communism was set up in Russia thanks to some American Jewish bankers. It was not implemented before by Marx or someone else.

It's a sheer fact that Russia spread its errors among…More
I never said that Russia invented Communism. But it's part of the errors that they spread in the world as Our Lady of Fatima warned us in 1917. One who reads Anthony Sutton, a famous American Professor, will learn that Communism was set up in Russia thanks to some American Jewish bankers. It was not implemented before by Marx or someone else.

It's a sheer fact that Russia spread its errors among which is the class warfare, also helped by the school of Francfort in Germany. Our Lady of Fatima could have also spoken of France and "la commune" that happened in Paris if you go this way but she appeared in 1917 during the Bolshevik revolution of these months which was on the verge to succeed while never before communism succeeded in France or elsewhere.

Russia began the abortion at the higher level in the last century and it was already before the abortion pill that was invented in the US.
Dr Bobus
Abortion and homosexual "marriage" are not just an invention of Communism.

I have no doubt that Russia has spread the errors of Communism, both intellectual and overthrow of government

On the other hand, you want to reduce Western corruption to the influence of Russian style Communism. In fact, advocates of Eugenics, including Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, predate the …More
Abortion and homosexual "marriage" are not just an invention of Communism.

I have no doubt that Russia has spread the errors of Communism, both intellectual and overthrow of government

On the other hand, you want to reduce Western corruption to the influence of Russian style Communism. In fact, advocates of Eugenics, including Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, predate the takeover by the Bolsheviks. And advocates of Population Control endorse homosexuality because it limits population growth.

The problem in the West is that capitalists tend to emphasize economic growth and de-emphasize or ignore personal morality. The likes of McDonald's, Microsoft, and Starbucks were not influenced by Marx or Lenin.

And now Western govts are actively opposing the Church.
Piotr2000
DIVINI REDEMPTORIS ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI ON ATHEISTIC COMMUNISM cd.
76. The State itself, mindful of its responsibility before God and society, should be a model of prudence and sobriety inthe administration of the commonwealth. Today more than ever the acute world crisis demands that those who dispose ofimmense funds, built up on the sweat and toil of millions, keep constantly and …More
DIVINI REDEMPTORIS ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI ON ATHEISTIC COMMUNISM cd.
76. The State itself, mindful of its responsibility before God and society, should be a model of prudence and sobriety inthe administration of the commonwealth. Today more than ever the acute world crisis demands that those who dispose ofimmense funds, built up on the sweat and toil of millions, keep constantly and singly in mind the common good. Statefunctionaries and all employees are obliged in conscience to perform their duties faithfully and unselfishly, imitating thebrilliant example of distinguished men of the past and of our own day, who with unremitting labor sacrificed their all forthe good of their country. In international trade-relations let all means be sedulously employed for the removal of thoseartificial barriers to economic life which are the effects of distrust and hatred. All must remember that the peoples of theearth form but one family in God.77. At the same time the State must allow the Church full liberty to fulfill her divine and spiritual mission, and this in itselfwill be an effectual contribution to the rescue of nations from the dread torment of the present hour. Everywhere todaythere is an anxious appeal to moral and spiritual forces; and rightly so, for the evil we must combat is at its origin primarilyan evil of the spiritual order. From this polluted source the monstrous emanations of the communistic system flow withsatanic logic. Now, the Catholic Church is undoubtedly preeminent among the moral and religious forces of today.Therefore the very good of humanity demands that her work be allowed to proceed unhindered.78. Those who act otherwise, and at the same time fondly pretend to attain their objective with purely political oreconomic means, are in the grip of a dangerous error. When religion is banished from the school, from education andfrom public life, when the representatives of Christianity and its sacred rites are held up to ridicule, are we not reallyfostering the materialism which is the fertile soil of Communism.? Neither force, however well organized it be, nor earthlyideals however lofty or noble, can control a movement whose roots lie in the excessive esteem for the goods of thisworld.
Piotr2000
DIVINI REDEMPTORIS ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI ON ATHEISTIC COMMUNISM /paragraph10/:.
Communism, moreover, strips man of his liberty, robs human personality of all its dignity, and removes all the moral restraints that check the eruptions of blind impulse. There is no recognition of any right of the individual in his relations tothe collectivity; no natural right is accorded to human …More
DIVINI REDEMPTORIS ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI ON ATHEISTIC COMMUNISM /paragraph10/:.
Communism, moreover, strips man of his liberty, robs human personality of all its dignity, and removes all the moral restraints that check the eruptions of blind impulse. There is no recognition of any right of the individual in his relations tothe collectivity; no natural right is accorded to human personality, which is a mere cog-wheel in the Communist system. In man's relations with other individuals, besides, Communists hold the principle of absolute equality, rejecting all hierarchy and divinely-constituted authority, including the authority of parents. What men call authority and subordination is derived from the community as its first and only font. Nor is the individual granted any property rights over material goods or the means of production, for in as much as these are the source of further wealth, their possession would give one man power over another. Precisely on this score, all forms of private property must be eradicated, for they are at the origin of alleconomic enslavement .11. Refusing to human life any sacred or spiritual character, such a doctrine logically makes of marriage and the family a purely artificial and civil institution, the outcome of a specific economic system. There exists no matrimonial bond of a juridico-moral nature that is not subject to the whim of the individual or of the collectivity. Naturally, therefore, the notion of an indissoluble marriage-tie is scouted. Communism is particularly characterized by the rejection of any link that binds woman to the family and the home, and her emancipation is proclaimed as a basic principle. She is withdrawn from the family and the care of her children, to be thrust instead into public life and collective production under the same conditions as man. The care of home and children then devolves upon the collectivity. Finally, the right of education is denied to parents, for it is conceived as the exclusive prerogative of the community, in whose name and by whose mandate alone parents may exercise this right.12. What would be the condition of a human society based on such materialistic tenets? It would be a collectivity with noother hierarchy than that of the economic system. It would have only one mission: the production of material things by means of collective labor, so that the goods of this world might be enjoyed in a paradise where each would "give according to his powers" and would "receive according to his needs." Communism recognizes in the collectivity the right, or rather, unlimited discretion, to draft individuals for the labor of the collectivity with no regard for their personal welfare;so that even violence could be legitimately exercised to dragoon the recalcitrant against their wills. In the Communistic commonwealth morality and law would be nothing but a derivation of the existing economic order, purely earthly in origin and unstable in character. In a word. the Communists claim to inaugurate a new era and a new civilization which is the result of blind evolutionary forces culminating in a humanity without God.