Schneider: Heretical Pope Doesn’t Lose Office
There is no authority to declare an elected and generally accepted Pope as invalid, Bishop Athanasius Schneider wrote on RemnantNewspaper.com (September 18). Even an invalid election would be de facto …More
Even an invalid election would be de facto healed through the acceptance of the overwhelming majority of cardinals and bishops.
A heretical pope would not lose his office automatically. There is no body within the Church to declare him deposed for heresy: “Such actions would come close to a kind of a heresy of conciliarism or episcopalism.”
The theory of the automatic loss of the papacy due to heresy is a mere opinion that theologians such as St Robert Bellarmin noticed, “Never in history the Magisterium of the Church did admit any canonical procedures of deposition of a heretical pope.”
In the case of a heretical pope, the members of the Church can “avoid him, resist him, refuse to obey him.”
The situation of a heretical pope is humanly irresolvable and needs a “Divine intervention.” Schneider adds that an erring Pope is not eternal. …More
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"Dott. Cionci explains a point that Bishop Schneider failed to understand: sanatio in radice of an invalid papal election by universal acceptance cannot ever validate the illegitimate election of an antipope during an impeded see of a valid pope who retains his munus. I must add here that after the death of Benedict XVI, there still cannot be a sanatio in radice of Bergoglio's election as there was …More
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Bp Schneider was born in the former Soviet Union. After WWII his parents were held in concentration camps in the Urals.
He was made an auxiliary bishop in the land of his youth.More
He was made an auxiliary bishop in the land of his youth.
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Schneider is incompetent as a Bishop...otherwise he would not have been assigned to a backwater like Kazakhstan, but rather a major diocese or a Roman Curia posting. I appreciate that he loves Catholic liturgical tradition and celebrates the TLM, but he is a wimp for not declaring the truth, that many learned theologians in the history of the Church have said a heretic pope can be deposed. Francis …More
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FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that …More
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that a pope who "withers away into heresy" can be judged and deposed. John of St. Thomas notes that it has been unanimously taught by theologians that a heretical pope can be judged and removed; and the only dispute regards whether the pope loses office automatically or upon pronouncement of judgment, or upon decree of deposition. In 1895, Sydney Smith SJ stated that automatic loss of office for heresy was unanimously taught by theologians, which therefore qualifies the doctrine as a truth of divine and catholic faith, pertaining definitively to the ordinary and universal magisterium.
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Bishop Schneider:
"Even in the case of a heretical pope he will not lose his office automatically and there is no body within the Church to declare him deposed because of heresy. [much less one person!] ...
"The theory of the automatic loss of the papacy due to heresy remains only an opinion, and even St. Robert Bellarmin noticed this and did not present it as a teaching of the Magisterium itself... …More
"Even in the case of a heretical pope he will not lose his office automatically and there is no body within the Church to declare him deposed because of heresy. [much less one person!] ...
"The theory of the automatic loss of the papacy due to heresy remains only an opinion, and even St. Robert Bellarmin noticed this and did not present it as a teaching of the Magisterium itself...
"Never in history the Magisterium of the Church did admit any canonical procedures of deposition of a heretical pope.
"The surer Catholic tradition says, that in the case of a heretical pope, the members of the Church can avoid him, resist him, refuse to obey him, all of which can be done without requiring a theory or opinion, that says that a heretical pope automatically loses his office or can be deposed consequently.
"Therefore being it so, we must follow the surer way (via tutior) and abstain from defending the merely opinion of theologians (even be them Saints like St. Robert Bellarmin), which says that a heretical pope automatically loses his office or can be deposed by the Church therefore."
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FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that …More
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that a pope who "withers away into heresy" can be judged and deposed. John of St. Thomas notes that it has been unanimously taught by theologians that a heretical pope can be judged and removed; and the only dispute regards whether the pope loses office automatically or upon pronouncement of judgment, or upon decree of deposition. In 1895, Sydney Smith SJ stated that automatic loss of office for heresy was unanimously taught by theologians, which therefore qualifies the doctrine as a truth of divine and catholic faith, pertaining definitively to the ordinary and universal magisterium.
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@tradcatknight , Why did you block me?! We might not agree with some things but I am a traditional Catholic. So we don't see eye-to-eye on somethings but I agree with you on many other points you have written about in the past. I was actually surprised when I saw that you blocked me. I love debate and talking about the Catholic faith, I pray to Our Lord to open my eyes if I am blind in any way, and …More
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FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that …More
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that a pope who "withers away into heresy" can be judged and deposed. John of St. Thomas notes that it has been unanimously taught by theologians that a heretical pope can be judged and removed; and the only dispute regards whether the pope loses office automatically or upon pronouncement of judgment, or upon decree of deposition. In 1895, Sydney Smith SJ stated that automatic loss of office for heresy was unanimously taught by theologians, which therefore qualifies the doctrine as a truth of divine and catholic faith, pertaining definitively to the ordinary and universal magisterium.
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Bishop Athanasius Schneider's right. Pope Francis is the pope because God wills so. We have a pope that we deserve. Anyone going against the Will of God and the Pope is just a protestant heretic. It does not mean that we have to obey Pope Francis with his false decrees. We have to patiently resist and wait for his passing. Pray for him, do good deeds and fast, so his destructive acts may be of lesser …More
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FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that …More
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that a pope who "withers away into heresy" can be judged and deposed. John of St. Thomas notes that it has been unanimously taught by theologians that a heretical pope can be judged and removed; and the only dispute regards whether the pope loses office automatically or upon pronouncement of judgment, or upon decree of deposition. In 1895, Sydney Smith SJ stated that automatic loss of office for heresy was unanimously taught by theologians, which therefore qualifies the doctrine as a truth of divine and catholic faith, pertaining definitively to the ordinary and universal magisterium.
Everyone.....please read the link that Live Mike provides above. It is an absolute MUST READ!!!
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FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that …More
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that a pope who "withers away into heresy" can be judged and deposed. John of St. Thomas notes that it has been unanimously taught by theologians that a heretical pope can be judged and removed; and the only dispute regards whether the pope loses office automatically or upon pronouncement of judgment, or upon decree of deposition. In 1895, Sydney Smith SJ stated that automatic loss of office for heresy was unanimously taught by theologians, which therefore qualifies the doctrine as a truth of divine and catholic faith, pertaining definitively to the ordinary and universal magisterium.
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Is there anything in Church law to prevent a public exorcism of Bergolio? I am completely serious. His aberrant actions and pronouncements seem to be those of a man literally possessed. An exorcism would be an act of supreme charity and would not be one of deposing him.
It makes absolutely no sense to think that where Bergoglio is belting out heresy on heresy, and working furiously and very systematically towards changing (destroying) the Church in such a way that it cannot be reversed......that we can only sit on our hands and do nothing. That's the coward's way!!! The most destructive heretic in relation to the loss of souls, is obviously one who sits on the …More
Abp Schneider is not infallible. He is not a Pope.....nor can a heretic be a Pope......because as the heroic Fr Altman said....like the Dalai Lama.....he is not Catholic!!!
And he was not Catholic long before he was supposedly elected. He did not become a heretic only after he took the Chair of Peter.....he was a heretic long before that. How is it possible that a longstanding heretic ie. apostate....no longer Catholic..... be validly elected to the papacy????????????????
IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!
Have another read of this article written by orthodox Catholic Argentinian Journalist written on the dreadful day Jorge was supposedly elected. The Horror!
A Buenos Aires journalist describes Bergoglio
The Horror! A Buenos Aires journalist describes Bergoglio
We have many friends around the world, including in the dear Argentine Republic. And we asked a cherished friend, Marcelo González, of Panorama Católico Internacional, who knows the Church of Argentina as well as the palm of his hand to send us a report on the new pope. Here it goes:
The Horror!
Of all the unthinkable candidates, Jorge Mario Bergoglio is perhaps the worst. Not because he openly professes doctrines against the faith and morals, but because, judging from his work as Archbishop of Buenos Aires, faith and morals seem to have been irrelevant to him.
A sworn enemy of the Traditional Mass, he has only allowed imitations of it in the hands of declared enemies of the ancient liturgy. He has persecuted every single priest who made an effort to wear a cassock, preach with firmness, or that was simply interested in Summorum Pontificum.
Famous for his inconsistency (at times, for the unintelligibility of his addresses and homilies), accustomed to the use of coarse, demagogical, and ambiguous expressions, it cannot be said that his magisterium is heterodox, but rather non-existent for how confusing it is.
His entourage in the Buenos Aires Curia, with the exception of a few clerics, has not been characterized by the virtue of their actions. Several are under grave suspicion of moral misbehavior.
He has not missed any occasion for holding acts in which he lent his Cathedral to Protestants, Muslims, Jews, and even to partisan groups in the name of an impossible and unnecessary interreligious dialogue. He is famous for his meetings with Protestants in the Luna Park arena where, together with preacher of the Pontifical House, Raniero Cantalamessa, he was "blessed" by Protestant ministers, in a common act of worship in which he, in practice, accepted the validity of the "powers" of the TV-pastors.
This election is incomprehensible: he is not a polyglot, he has no Curial experience, he does not shine for his sanctity, he is loose in doctrine and liturgy, he has not fought against abortion and only very weakly against homosexual "marriage" [approved with practically no opposition from the episcopate], he has no manners to honor the Pontifical Throne. He has never fought for anything else than to remain in positions of power.
It really cannot be what Benedict wanted for the Church. And he does not seem to have any of the conditions required to continue his work.
May God help His Church. One can never dismiss, as humanly hard as it may seem, the possibility of a conversion... and, nonetheless, the future terrifies us.
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Schneider just lost a ton of supporters/fans, and maybe his meal ticket bopping around the world to celebrate the TLM here and there. For a bishop like him to claim Bergoglio is the Pope when all he has done since day 1 of his term is promote heretical ideas is unbelievable. Pope Francis is an apostate and a heretic. He just replaced the excellent Archbishop of Vaduz, Liechtenstein with an "apostolic …More
@Tony M is right. All faithful and traditional Catholic must stand up and oppose Pope Francis and his homo squad, not sit on or hands, or sit in church and pray for a "conversion" of Francis. That's laughable. We must oppose him/them and that means defy him, disrespect him. ignore him and do the opposite to what he demands. Basically, give him the middle finger in his face, as we say "shove your Synodal Church" up your ---.
I know there will be one or two people who contribute to this site who still defend Francis, calling him "Holy Father". Your Holiness", or worst of all, the "Supreme Pontiff" or the "Vicar of Christ"..a title he himself rejected. To you one or two I say....."you are papalotrist zombies".
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FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that …More
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that a pope who "withers away into heresy" can be judged and deposed. John of St. Thomas notes that it has been unanimously taught by theologians that a heretical pope can be judged and removed; and the only dispute regards whether the pope loses office automatically or upon pronouncement of judgment, or upon decree of deposition. In 1895, Sydney Smith SJ stated that automatic loss of office for heresy was unanimously taught by theologians, which therefore qualifies the doctrine as a truth of divine and catholic faith, pertaining definitively to the ordinary and universal magisterium.
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WHERE DO WE STAND: Is Bergoglio the Pope?
SEDEVACANTISTS AND THOSE TEMPTED TO THINK THAT POPE FRANCIS IS AN ANTIPOPE - PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO
From The Remnant:
In this episode of the Remnant Underground, Michael J. Matt comments on faithful Catholics who, while scandalized by the unprecedented crisis in the Catholic Church — a crisis only accelerated under the pontificate of Pope Francis — have …More
SEDEVACANTISTS AND THOSE TEMPTED TO THINK THAT POPE FRANCIS IS AN ANTIPOPE - PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO
From The Remnant:
In this episode of the Remnant Underground, Michael J. Matt comments on faithful Catholics who, while scandalized by the unprecedented crisis in the Catholic Church — a crisis only accelerated under the pontificate of Pope Francis — have come to the conclusion that Francis cannot possibly be the pope.
Francis has become the darling of the most powerful pro-abort Globalists in the world — atheists such as Yuval Noah Harari, for example, who in this episode of the Underground explains why he is so appreciative of the great work of Pope Francis — this from the guy who thinks the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is a myth and the Bible is "fake news."
And next week, Francis will have a fireside chat with Bill Clinton at a high-profile event hosted by the notorious Clinton Foundation. (Beam me up, Scotty!)
Meanwhile, Francis’s new apostolic nuncio to the United States is stumping for the next Democrat presidential nominee even before the 2024 election race kicks into high gear.
The situation in the Vatican is obviously out of control, which is why so many bishops and cardinals are pushing back. And yet, Francis didn't start this fire. This is where the Modernist Revolution was always going to end up. Question is, what can ordinary Catholics do to save themselves, and how far can we go in resisting Francis to his face?
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