thomasvalle
The real problem again, is people spreading misinformation with the authority of the Internet. Particularly poisonous are the so-called ultra traditionalist sects who misinterpret Church Councils and the teachings of the Church with the same skill that Protestants misinterpret the Sacred Scriptures. Very religious figures in Christ’s time vilified Christ Himself, twisting His words and …More
The real problem again, is people spreading misinformation with the authority of the Internet. Particularly poisonous are the so-called ultra traditionalist sects who misinterpret Church Councils and the teachings of the Church with the same skill that Protestants misinterpret the Sacred Scriptures. Very religious figures in Christ’s time vilified Christ Himself, twisting His words and misrepresenting Him.

Your disdain for the Divine Mercy devotion, and dismissing St. Faustina and pope John Paul II as frauds lunatics and false prophets, again, is based on what you have read on the Internet; putting your faith in individuals behind blogs and websites rather than the teaching authority of the Church.

Another real problem is that people are not reading their Bibles; if they did, they would know that the prophets God sent were usually rejected by many, rationalizing all sorts of objections. Like Ezekiel, St. Margaret Mary Alacoque who had the visions of the Sacred Heart, also suffered opposition, condemnations and ridicule; many proofs were demanded for the authenticity of the visions and of Christ’s request. She wrote: “I was forbidden, henceforth, to put any picture of the Sacred Heart in a conspicuous place, being allowed merely to honor it in private. … persecutions of various kinds arising at that time, it seems, indeed, as if all hell were let loose against me, and that everything conspired to annihilate me.”

The Church, in the end, approved the visions and the message that were delivered through St. Margaret to God’s own people. So opposition such as what you spread on the internet about the Divine Mercy and St Faustina, is consistent with how God’s prophets are usually treated by some.

According to those against the Divine Mercy devotion, they accuse St Faustina of being a false prophet and a heretic, followed by accusations that Pope John Paul II was an apostate Pope and false teacher, and that they are both false Saints; so according to you, by the authority of your research on the Internet, everyone should reject the Divine Mercy devotion and expose the pope and Saint Faustina as frauds (ergo secret agents of the devil?)

According to those who reject the Divine Mercy devotion, it is a false devotion with false feast days. their evidence for all of this diabolical deception is that in 1959 the Church placed her diary on the list of forbidden books, even though the same office that banned it lifted the ban after a thorough examination was conducted by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. I have popes, the magisterium and the Scriptures on my side; I will trust the Church, and the Magisterium of the Church and the Scriptures before I trust some self appointed inquisitors on the Internet.

In case you were not aware, The Devotion of the Divine Mercy is a call to repentance and trust in the mercy of God, and to make reparation for the sins of the world, and to show mercy through the Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy. The beautiful prayers of the Chaplet of Divine Mercy goes like this: “Eternal Father, I offer you the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of your dearly beloved Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole World; Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy immortal One, have mercy on us and on the whole world”.
copyitltd shares this
1
Tarnum
This is a shame Gloria.TV - I love your work and enjoy all your videos... but now you are in need of humility to start speaking out when this has had clear church approval, its easy to rip apart any and every approved apparition if we want to, we should respect the Church decision here.

I am a traditional Catholic and have no attachment to this devotion but am only saddened to see Gloria.TV …More
This is a shame Gloria.TV - I love your work and enjoy all your videos... but now you are in need of humility to start speaking out when this has had clear church approval, its easy to rip apart any and every approved apparition if we want to, we should respect the Church decision here.

I am a traditional Catholic and have no attachment to this devotion but am only saddened to see Gloria.TV take this route, I still fully support GLoria.TV think you're fantastic, but the criterion for discernment of private revelations never takes such a silly mock and rip apart approach to discernment, going through ever point you can rip yours apart just as much as follows (thank God for Mother Church to conclude the matter):

"Forbidden"
This is misleading, showing absolutely no information that this devotion is now explicitly "approved" with a Canonised saint and Feast Day. Practically all other private apparitions pass through this period which the criterion for discernment wishes to test the visionary - St Padre Pio was "Forbidden". So this argument is exposed as unfair.

Odd image.

This isn't a devotion to the sacred Heart it's a devotion to the Ressurected Lord walking through the door to the Apostles on Whitsun when he asked them to touch his side. Traditionally Whitsun was a major feast lead up by an octave after Easter and this providentially prepared to somewhat maintain solemnity when the Novus Ordo church would obliterate the octave and whitsun devotion. The whole point of this devotion is the Blood and Water which Christ shed which is why they shine like rays, he is described as the light that illuminates the world.

Contains the claim that we can expect an unconditional mercy without the cross.

This is a lie - the prayer literally says "FOR THE SAKE OF HIS SORROWFUL PASSION" and goes on to beg for Mercy... - how more explicit is the condition FOR THE SAKE of the cross to then ask for Mercy? I wonder do you have the humility to say "good point here, I stand corrected"? So who is actually making the flase claim here?

"The central error of the Divine Mercy is that it promises lots of spiritual rewards with no penance and reparation."
The entire devotion is based on offering the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in "atonement" for our sins, the condition of Christ's Mercy clearly is given that it must be accompanied "with acts of Mercy" by the soul. St Faustina was shown numerous souls in hell, shown purgatory. The focus here is to offer the passion of Our Lord in atonement for the sins of the world, something God told St Catherine of Siena is the only possible attonment, and again in Fatima. So you infact are writing a "central error" here

"Wait a minute, Our Lord united Himself more intimately with Sr. Faustina than with any other creature?"

Our Lord said there is no one born of a man holier than St John the Baptist. For the protest this is a great opportunity to throw something without listening deeper...and it seems the same for you. In like manner with Our Lord's word's in the gospel, it is clear in the diary including subsequent lessons from The Blessed Virgin, that Our Lord was not including The Blessed Virgin here. Criterion for Discernment given to bishops clearly permits a poetic dialogue with God, advising not to take every word literally. You however are doing this to just rip apart. St Catherine of Sienna, St Veronica, Ven Maria of Agreda, all were told comments on a level of being more intimately united or holier than anyone else. Upon seeing St Faustina on the last day... what humility will your soul experience with the veneration owed to her compared to the voice of your mockery of her put to so many other souls!

"Two years later, Second World War started."
LOL I always love your puns... gotta laugh... but again still, a spirit of mockery and sarcasm, not a spirit of discernment, especially far from how this is guided by the Church since the Council of Trent's guidance on discerning private revelation. Thankfully the Church lays out guidelines that are not the sneering, jeering type...however they always are the ones who attack those saints with spiritual gifts as we so often see by other religious enrapped with a spiritual envy and persecuting the saintly...

“From today on, do not fear God’s judgment, for you will not be judged.” In reality, nobody but Our Lady is free from the general and particular judgment."
In Fatima Our Lady told Jactina and Francisco they were going to Heaven. St Catherine of Sienna dictates God the Father telling her all her sins will be forgotten and not judged. This does not say "you will not experience the particular or general judgement", this could be read like St Catherine of Sienna that her sins will be forgotten on the day of Judgement. It is again open to poetic interpretation so easy prey to rip apart, so could we do with St Catherine of Sienna or so many saints.

" the consecrated host jumped out of the Tabernacle three times and placed itself in her hands, so that she had to open the Tabernacle and place it back." This was in the 1920s well before communion in the hand was even a thing! To compare a mystical experience to the modernist sacrilege of taking communion in the hands is a false dichotomy. This was a vision and mystical experience does not necessarily mean a real host went to her, this was a time when communion in the hand was known as possible but forbidden largely due to the vast amount of people who could spread particles, among many other reasons, even though communion in the hand was permitted in the early church. Her having a vision of holding the host, were it a real host that means the angelic choir would have governed the entire transmission of the host as it was in a context of an apparition, so the protection of particles would have been governed. St Barbara is depicted holding the chalice and host, and i'm blanking on that famous saint whos depicted grabbing the monstrance and chasing away soldiers with it. Even I would be scandelised if I saw a lay man let alone woman doing that now, i'd personally sit there and die if communists come and kill us during mass rather than grab the monstrance, would be petrified of getting shot then suffering that one in purgatory. We are understandably scandelized by abuse left right and centre but please dont juxtapose todays mess to a mystical experience a hundred years ago.

Ultimately we literally can rip appart every single approved apparition with this method of nit-pick mockery. St Bernadette rolling about eating grass, St Veronica saying she had her last judgement already, Fatima saying the visionaries are already going to heaven ahead of particular judgment. Please have some humility rather than dig heels approach I'm right you're wrong... if Satan hates this devotion it is sad to be on the same side of that. Its at least more humble and sanctified to remain silent if the church has explicityl approved it rather than mock it with sarcasm. Gloria TV you are great and a prayer for you tonight in Trad Mass. Much love from London.
V.R.S.
"Two years later, Second World War started."
---
I will say more: at the same time (March 1937) the war and atrocities against the Church (one of many examples: catholicsaints.info/blessed-isabel-sanchez-romero/ ) raged in Spain and Pius XI issued two major encyclicals against two mortally dangerous menaces of the world: German neo-paganism and international communism.
JoshDalf The White
Well put, @Tarnum . The saint who warded off Islamic forces with a Host in a Monstrance was none other than St. Clare of Assisi. To add to your point about what Our Lord said about St. John the Baptist, Mary said at Fatima that “For She alone will be able to help.” She being Mary. Someone could nit-pick that and claim she’s denying Our Lord’s ability to help us. We know that’s not the case, …More
Well put, @Tarnum . The saint who warded off Islamic forces with a Host in a Monstrance was none other than St. Clare of Assisi. To add to your point about what Our Lord said about St. John the Baptist, Mary said at Fatima that “For She alone will be able to help.” She being Mary. Someone could nit-pick that and claim she’s denying Our Lord’s ability to help us. We know that’s not the case, and Fatima is legitimate. (Technically you don’t have to believe it, but that’s rather silly to say it mildly)

@V.R.S. If I understand what you’re saying, you’re attempting to place contradiction on St. Faustina for other errors in The world. Is the Church ever not attacked somewhere? No, it’s been that way since it’s founding, and it will (most likely) be that way until the end of time. As I pointed out in my post below, a blessing does not have to equal peace; St. Joseph gave a Blessing with The Lord at Fatima during the miracle of the sun, and WWII and this other problem, and likely many others worldwide came anyway. The fact of the matter is that she predicted that the war coming would be long, that Poland would be chastised, and that their most beautiful city would experience a chastisement akin to sodom and Gomorrah; if you were shown Warsaw (The capital of Poland) being bombed and or napalmed, you may describe it as such too. This can be found in my post below.

I just read a day or two or three ago an article that touched upon this(WWII and St Faustina), and he/she believed that it was powerful that it’s recorded in the diary that her prayers were holding back chastisement, I think at least some were specifically about Poland but I don’t remember for sure. entry 474 is her holding back an angel from delivering a chastisement upon the earth/world you’ll notice she says she can’t mention a specific place, this was by command of her spiritual director; I think it’s safe to assume that a polish sister being told by her polish director,in Poland, to not mention a location by name, in a vision that the polish sister sees from her convent cell in Poland, that the location was somewhere in Poland. 1489 contains “ For the sake of your love, I withhold the just chastisements, which mankind has deserved. ” I remember there being more, but it’s been years since I read it through. I definitely remember her pleading for Poland multiple times. Then St. Faustina dies , and we know the rest.
V.R.S.
@@JoshDalf The White
1) "If I understand what you’re saying, you’re attempting to place contradiction on St. Faustina for other errors in The world."
---
No. I am referring to the entry in The Diary no 1061: "For your sake I bless the world" dated 26th of March 1937. Mit Brennender Sorge is dated March 14th 1937, Divini Redemptoris March 19th 1937. Dramatic encyclicals responding to the …More
@@JoshDalf The White
1) "If I understand what you’re saying, you’re attempting to place contradiction on St. Faustina for other errors in The world."
---
No. I am referring to the entry in The Diary no 1061: "For your sake I bless the world" dated 26th of March 1937. Mit Brennender Sorge is dated March 14th 1937, Divini Redemptoris March 19th 1937. Dramatic encyclicals responding to the tragic situation and state of the world. Read it and decide whether it really was the time of "blessing". You can also search what Sr. Lucia of Fatima was writing at the same time. No "blessing for the world" thing. The chastisement. The punishment of new war. Only retarded or ill-willed persons would not see the contradictions of the status quo of 1937 and the Fatima message with the above alleged "Jesus" "blessing".

2) " Is the Church ever not attacked somewhere?"
---
The persecution of the clergy in Spain had the larger scale (and brought more victims - martyrs) than persecutions during the infamous French Revolution. As estimated: 12 bishops, 283 nuns, 4184 priests, 2365 monks and religious priests were killed for the Faith in 1936-39.
It does not sound like a generic persecution occurring ever somewhere, does it?

3) "The fact of the matter is that she predicted that the war coming would be long, that Poland would be chastised, and that their most beautiful city would experience a chastisement akin to sodom and Gomorrah; if you were shown Warsaw (The capital of Poland) being bombed and or napalmed, you may describe it as such too. ."
---
No it is not. Cf. nb. 39 (1928)
"One day Jesus told me that He would cause a chastisement to fall upon the most beautiful city in our country. This chastisement would be that with which God had punished Sodom and Gomorrah. I saw the great wrath of God and a shudder pierced my heart. I prayed in silence.After a moment, Jesus said to me, My child, unite yourself closely to Me during the Sacrifice and offer My Blood and My Wounds to My Father in expiation for the sins of that city. Repeat this without interruption throughout the entire Holy Mass. Do this for seven days. On the seventh day I saw Jesus in a bright cloud and began to beg Him to look upon the city and upon our whole country. Jesus looked [down] graciously. When I saw the kindness of' Jesus, I began to beg His blessing. Immediately Jesus said, For your sake I bless the entire country."
---
Sr. Faustina wrote that alleged "Jesus" finally, after her prayers, had blessed the entire country for her sake (and averted the wrath of God). And the ruin of Poland during the WWII by Germans and Soviets is no blessing "predicted" in March 1937 (cf. sec. 1 above), the year of the so-called Polish operation of NKVD.
There is also no blessing for the world immersed in the persecution of

4) "Then St. Faustina dies"
---
Whether Sr. Faustina died or not (we all die after all) is irrelevant to the judgement of truth or falsehood of the March 1937 "blessing" for the world (moreover, contradicting the Fatima message).
JoshDalf The White
@V.R.S. 1. I knew exactly what you were referencing. Saint Faustina lived in Poland, and she pleaded for Poland, her restraining chastisements are going to be, at the least, mainly about Poland. A blessing does not equal aversion. St. Joseph did in fact give a blessing with The Infant Jesus during the miracle of the sun. Just because sister Lucia didn’t write about a blessing of the world, doesn’…More
@V.R.S. 1. I knew exactly what you were referencing. Saint Faustina lived in Poland, and she pleaded for Poland, her restraining chastisements are going to be, at the least, mainly about Poland. A blessing does not equal aversion. St. Joseph did in fact give a blessing with The Infant Jesus during the miracle of the sun. Just because sister Lucia didn’t write about a blessing of the world, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. If blessings = war prevention, then when St. John Paul II consecrated the world to Mary we should have had world peace! No, a blessing is not the same as prevention, and a chastisement is indeed sometimes merciful. God is all good, all just, and all merciful, and aims for our spiritual health first and foremost. If you ask me, if WWII were going to come, I’d be quite happy if I gained a blessing for the world, Poland is now one of the few countries booming with priests. Your insult doesn’t change these facts.

2. It certainly does seem like an attack on The Church somewhere , unless you intend to contend that Spain is a nowhere . Regardless, this all rests upon your idea that a blessing must = peace. Which I do not believe is true. Many times throughout she talks about how sinful mankind is, and pleads mercy for the sinful souls of the world; clearly she sees that mankind is sinful. In times of crisis, I think a blessing upon the world is a good thing.

3. Speaking of nowheres, nowhere in that entry does it say that the chastisement was averted. Her confessor inquired about it, and it certainly sounds to me like she knew it was still coming. Again this all rests upon your insistence that a blessing must equal war prevention. The fact of the matter is that a blessing could mean anything from prevention-to delaying-to reducing of punishment- to saving more souls than there would have been(what God cares about most). Do you think that God doesn’t bless the martyrs during their martyrdom? Here’s one for you to ponder: why is Poland one of the few countries where Catholicism now booms? Additionally, it’s simply dishonest to disregard what she predicted accurately.

4. It does matter when she died, Poland was invaded, what? Less than a year after her death, and she claimed to have been holding back chastisement upon Poland.
V.R.S.
@JoshDalf The White
"Here’s one for you to ponder: why is Poland one of the few countries where Catholicism now booms? "
"Poland is now one of the few countries booming with priests"
---
After such surrealistic statements I've decided to end the discussion. Post-conciliar "vocations" in Poland drop (20 % year-to-year). Here's your boom.

PS "when St. John Paul II consecrated the world to Mary …More
@JoshDalf The White
"Here’s one for you to ponder: why is Poland one of the few countries where Catholicism now booms? "
"Poland is now one of the few countries booming with priests"
---
After such surrealistic statements I've decided to end the discussion. Post-conciliar "vocations" in Poland drop (20 % year-to-year). Here's your boom.

PS "when St. John Paul II consecrated the world to Mary we should have had world peace"
---
Why should we? John Paul II, the pope much worse than solemnly condemned Honorius, as in many other showcases of his enormous pride (Mainz speech, Assisi, the visit in Portugal in 1982, the visit in the synagogue/mosque/nihilistic temple of buddha, the blind cult of Vatican II, Quran kissing, heterodox documents like Ut unum sint , etc, etc, etc) did what he wanted to do. He did not care about the real request of the consecration of Russia.
JoshDalf The White
@V.R.S. I wasn’t defending St. John Paul II’s wrong actions. Idk about Honorius episode or the encyclical that you mentioned. But that doesn’t change the fact that the legitimate head of The Catholic Church consecrated the world to Mary. Was it exactly what was requested? Nope. Do I think Russia has been consecrated yet, I suspect not. But I think it’s likely that , at the least, a blessingMore
@V.R.S. I wasn’t defending St. John Paul II’s wrong actions. Idk about Honorius episode or the encyclical that you mentioned. But that doesn’t change the fact that the legitimate head of The Catholic Church consecrated the world to Mary. Was it exactly what was requested? Nope. Do I think Russia has been consecrated yet, I suspect not. But I think it’s likely that , at the least, a blessing was acquired by the Pope performing such an action.

Answer to your edit about statistics in Poland (the point about the priests was a side one) : Fine, perhaps it’s more of a perseverance(/resistance to decay) than a traditional ‘boom,’ but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re doing better than most Countries (including vocations, I think). It’s my understanding that Poland at least pre-COVID was sending out priests to other places(I served at Mass for awhile with one). Poland recently consecrated itself to Christ a handful of years back, how many countries are doing that? Of the nations in the world it remains one of the more Catholic.
Anthony Bennett shares this
5
Darby D Dillion
I see the smoke of Satan has entered GloriaTV now as well. What a bunch of foolish garbage. Pretty soon GTV will be censoring opinions to fit their personal beliefs. Time to drop this site as well. It's a shame.
Ultraviolet
GTV is a Catholic site, Darby. If you wish to promote atheism and abortion and homosexuality or whatever else, go start your own site. Otherwise, yes, GTV's admins have a right to censor your opinions to comply with the standards of The Catholic Church.
Ultraviolet
"Time to drop this site as well. It's a shame." I suggest you make your new home in a free-fire zone like 4Chan's /pol/. If I happen to spot you there, you'll find out exactly what happens when GTV's rules aren't there to protect you. ;-)
Darby D Dillion
@Ultraviolet Thanks for your comment. Yes, GTV is a Catholic site, I'm aware of that and I'm Catholic, thanks so much. No, I don't wish to promote atheism, etc., confused as to what might have prompted that but no matter. I'm not on here very much, I prefer to pray for souls. God Bless you.
Darby D Dillion
"I suggest...you'll find out exactly what happens when GTV's rules aren't there to protect you." You're assuming I've never been on the front lines of a free-fire zone ;-) you're also assuming I need protection ;-) I prefer to pray for souls. God Bless!!
Ultraviolet
@Darby D Dillon Since you're "confused as to what might have prompted that", I'll clarify. If you wish to promote views GTV's administrators feel aren't Catholic, (such as the examples I provided) "or whatever else," then they reserve the right to censor you.

"You're assuming I've never been on the front lines of a free-fire zone "

It isn't an assumption. :D I can tell you haven't. You …More
@Darby D Dillon Since you're "confused as to what might have prompted that", I'll clarify. If you wish to promote views GTV's administrators feel aren't Catholic, (such as the examples I provided) "or whatever else," then they reserve the right to censor you.

"You're assuming I've never been on the front lines of a free-fire zone "

It isn't an assumption. :D I can tell you haven't. You make foolish mistakes that would have been slapped out of you long ago in a fully uncensored free-fire zone. ...and, yeah, you need all the help you can get.;-)
Ultraviolet
Btw... You said it "Time to drop this site as well." That was a month ago. Why are you still here? :D
Darby D Dillion
@Ultraviolet No, it's an assumption. You are most welcome to your suggestions, clarifications and assumptions, they really are no concern of mine, as are your personal questions. ;-) God Bless!
Ultraviolet
...thus explaining why you are so unconcerned you feel the need to offer a corection. "No, it's an assumption." Argumentum ad Nauseam, bro. :P
giveusthisday
Thank you very much for that! Over and over again, I hear about the Divine Mercy devotion and how wonderful Sister Faustina was. It is so good to hear you telling others about this; this leaves out the cross, and the idea of reparation for sin. The usual way priests and others use to justify Faustina is an error in translation!
JoshDalf The White
Hello,

I saw your comment, and thought I’d direct you to my post below, the one that starts with “Greetings,” the claim that the image, devotion, or diary excludes the cross (etc) is simply untrue, and you don’t need to take my word for it: there’s plenty of diary entries, more than I list. That objection, and all the objections raised in the video are answered there.

Sincerely,
Joshdalf
The New Knights Templar
For what it's worth, which isn't much, I've received some fantastic signal graces from praying the DMC, and I have no problem with praying it and still giving full devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. I've read all the comments below, so my only response is if God is working directly through the prayer to improve my spiritual growth, why should I not use it? This doesn't mean anyone else has to. …More
For what it's worth, which isn't much, I've received some fantastic signal graces from praying the DMC, and I have no problem with praying it and still giving full devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. I've read all the comments below, so my only response is if God is working directly through the prayer to improve my spiritual growth, why should I not use it? This doesn't mean anyone else has to.

Reparation and asking for Mercy are two different things and one is not better than the other, it doesn't need to be a matter of using "either or" it can be a matter of using "both". I'm going on my second reading of the diary and I find it very insightful. Jesus has approached other saints with this same method of what might appear as "flattery", such as Sister Saint Pierre of the Holy Face when presenting her with the Holy Face Chaplet, and even St. Therese of Lisieux (The other Mercy Saint besides Faustina). I hope, as Catholics, we aren't becoming so disillusioned by the current happenings within the Church that we start criticizing everything.
The New Knights Templar
@CatholicDoors "You cannot serve two masters." I'm not serving two masters, please explain what makes you think I might be and why you think it so?

"Where there is smoke, there is fire." I agree, so how is that pertinent to what I said, or are you angry because of my response to your comment I left below. What is the purpose of this quote? Please explain.

"You cannot take the best of everythin…More
@CatholicDoors "You cannot serve two masters." I'm not serving two masters, please explain what makes you think I might be and why you think it so?

"Where there is smoke, there is fire." I agree, so how is that pertinent to what I said, or are you angry because of my response to your comment I left below. What is the purpose of this quote? Please explain.

"You cannot take the best of everything." Wut?

"You must choose the only truth." Okay, I agree, I think what you meant is we must choose ONLY the truth; and I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm trying to understand your thinking, so explain what is wrong with anything I said and why it is wrong so we can discuss it, instead of leaving statements without explanations. Thank you!!
Kevin
I note that @andrew24157 has been quoting unapproved 'heavenly messages' again, in defence of other phenomenon. This time he quotes Fr Gobbi of the Marian Movement of Priests. It's not a good strategy. The [former] apostolic pro-nuncio to the United States [Archbishop Agostino Cacciavillan], wrote this letter:-

Apostolic Nunciature
United States of America
3339 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
More
I note that @andrew24157 has been quoting unapproved 'heavenly messages' again, in defence of other phenomenon. This time he quotes Fr Gobbi of the Marian Movement of Priests. It's not a good strategy. The [former] apostolic pro-nuncio to the United States [Archbishop Agostino Cacciavillan], wrote this letter:-

Apostolic Nunciature
United States of America
3339 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20008-3687

October 31, 1994

Dear Mr. Begnaud,

I acknowledge receipt of your fax-letter with annexed of October 30, 1994. You may rest assured that your information has been duly noted. As to the writings of Father Gobbi, competent authorities have advised that they are not words of Our Blessed Mother, but his private meditations for which he assumes all the theological, spiritual and pastoral responsibility.

With cordial regards and best wishes, I remain,
Sincerely yours in Christ,
Archbishop Agostino Cacciavillan
Apostolic Pro-Nuncio
V.R.S.
"That crazy lunatic Don Gobbi" as late Fr. Gregorius Hesse called him. He predicted in 1988 or 1989 that in 10 years the mocking church of the Antichrist would replace the Catholic Church and dun-dun-dunnn! ... JPII still reigned in Vatican.
andrew24157
V.R.S. "Father" Hesse is FSSPX i.e. a schismatic and a 1 liter of wine a day drinker.
andrew24157
Kevin Thank you for proving my point about the destruction of Charity and Unity in the Church and among the Laity.
V.R.S.
1. Fr. Hesse was not SSPX 2. SSPX is not schismatic.3. Fr. Hesse was a wine drinker but certainly he wasn't a crazy lunatic (like private revelation fanatics).
Kevin
@andrew24157 - how does my above comment destroy charity and unity in the Church and among the Laity? I was simply quoting a letter sent from the Apostolic Nuncio at the time, stating that Fr Gobbi's messages were not Our Lady, but his own personal meditations. I don't know of Fr Hesse but if it is true that he drinks a litre of wine a day, then there is no reason to disclose that, just to …More
@andrew24157 - how does my above comment destroy charity and unity in the Church and among the Laity? I was simply quoting a letter sent from the Apostolic Nuncio at the time, stating that Fr Gobbi's messages were not Our Lady, but his own personal meditations. I don't know of Fr Hesse but if it is true that he drinks a litre of wine a day, then there is no reason to disclose that, just to prove a point about an alleged apparition. It's called the sin of detraction (See the Catechism of the Catholic Church 2477 scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a8.htm ). If, indeed, that isn't true about the wine, then it would be the sin of calumny, which is even graver. If anyone is being uncharitable and divisive, it is you, by making comments like this about people, just because you don't agree with them. I don't necessarily agree with all @JoshDalf The White has written, but he is clearly striving to be charitable in tone and he has previously made the point that private revelations don't have to be believed.
andrew24157
V.R.S. , Kevin
Schismatics, protestants, etc., ... I prefer to be TLM Catholic - life is simple that way and
close to the Truth. That's all I need.
JoshDalf The White
@Kevin

Thank you for the compliment, but I prefer not to be cited in argument like that. Thanks

But because I’m dragged into it, whereas the wine crack wasn’t very respectful, neither was V.R.S calling him a crazy lunatic.

I only really know what I know about Fr Gobbi from here, but it seems like a no-go.
andrew24157
JoshDalf The White Father Gobbi says the same things as other visionaries as a matter of fact. He won't be approved, no way, being so true about the state of the church. His organization "Marian Movement of Priests" for Clergy /about 40 priests on this continent/ and Laity is confirmed by visionary from Colombia - Enoch/. BV Mary said a couple of months ago that those priests will be the only …More
JoshDalf The White Father Gobbi says the same things as other visionaries as a matter of fact. He won't be approved, no way, being so true about the state of the church. His organization "Marian Movement of Priests" for Clergy /about 40 priests on this continent/ and Laity is confirmed by visionary from Colombia - Enoch/. BV Mary said a couple of months ago that those priests will be the only having the Truth about Her, while others are going to betray Her /from fear I guess/. I find nothing wrong with Fr Gobbi prophecies.
JoshDalf The White
@andrew24157

I’m a very tough sell on this kind of thing(unapproved or not officially investigated locutions/visions/apparitions) , honestly. I don’t want to unfairly condemn Fr. Gobbi, as I hardly know anything about it; if I knew nothing about St. Faustina and DM I may have found this video convincing, so with that in mind, I’d advise you to be very careful with this kind of thing, and not …More
@andrew24157

I’m a very tough sell on this kind of thing(unapproved or not officially investigated locutions/visions/apparitions) , honestly. I don’t want to unfairly condemn Fr. Gobbi, as I hardly know anything about it; if I knew nothing about St. Faustina and DM I may have found this video convincing, so with that in mind, I’d advise you to be very careful with this kind of thing, and not allow it to matter to you to the extant that if one day it’s condemned or contradicted by history that it’d be detrimental to your faith.
JoshDalf The White
@andrew24157 EDIT: just realized that you meant the book of Enoch, so I’ve edited the comment. Enoch isn’t a part of the canon of The Bible
andrew24157
JoshDalf The White Your previous comments were O.K. I meant Enoch of Colombia, the Visionary. Why don't you have a look yourself at his website >>> mensajesdelbuenpastorenoc.org/english.html
as well as stigmatist Luz de Maria
>>> revelacionesmarianas.com/english.htm
So you can judge yourself if it is of any use for you or for others.
There is one more interesting man - John Leary from Roches…More
JoshDalf The White Your previous comments were O.K. I meant Enoch of Colombia, the Visionary. Why don't you have a look yourself at his website >>> mensajesdelbuenpastorenoc.org/english.html
as well as stigmatist Luz de Maria
>>> revelacionesmarianas.com/english.htm
So you can judge yourself if it is of any use for you or for others.
There is one more interesting man - John Leary from Rochester, New York
>>> johnleary.com
JoshDalf The White
Ah I see, lol sorry, I was like , “well time to brush up on why the book of Enoch isn’t in the canon”
Kevin
I don't know, this 'seer' and that 'seer'. It seems to be a full-time occupation with some people. Back in the 1990's, (then) Cardinal Ratzinger voiced his concerns about an unhealthy over-emphasis in the Church on apparitions and related mystical phenomena. At around the same time, in a speech reported in the 18th September 1996 edition of L’Osservatore Romano, Pope John Paul II stated: “Some …More
I don't know, this 'seer' and that 'seer'. It seems to be a full-time occupation with some people. Back in the 1990's, (then) Cardinal Ratzinger voiced his concerns about an unhealthy over-emphasis in the Church on apparitions and related mystical phenomena. At around the same time, in a speech reported in the 18th September 1996 edition of L’Osservatore Romano, Pope John Paul II stated: “Some members of the People of God are not rooted firmly enough in the Faith, so that the sects, with their deceptive proselytism, mislead them to separate themselves from true communion in Christ. Within the Church community, the multiplication of supposed “apparitions” or “visions” is sowing confusion and reveals a certain lack of solid basis to the faith and Christian life among her members.” I couldn't agree more. This is the Vatican document on the norms for discerning apparitions (primarily, I think, for the use of the Hierarchy) vatican.va/…_con_cfaith_doc_19780225_norme-apparizioni_en.html It is fair to remember that even if a private revelation has been considered worthy of belief by the Church that one is under no obligation to believe in it, nor should one be condemned for not believing in it, or have one's Faith brought into question. I recall being severely castigated by a group of people because I didn't believe in the 'Our Lady of All Nations' alleged apparitions of Ide Peerdeman (Amsterdam). They had some sort of approval from the local Ordinary, but the Holy See insisted that one of the prayers that Our Lady supposedly gave the alleged 'seer' had to be reworded before it was promulgated. As if Our Lady could make mistakes about prayers that She gives to us. Then my disbelief in these alleged apparitions was recently vindicated. The condemnation by the Holy See was reconfirmed in 2020: Local Bishop and Vatican Condemn Apparitions Of “Our Lady Of All Nations”
A Vatican notification was also issued in 1996 and published in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis. The first part referred to an alleged seer called Vassula Ryden, but the second part was a more general warning. It stated:-

II. Regarding the circulation of texts of alleged private revelations, the Congregation states:

1) The interpretation given by some individuals to a Decision approved by Paul VI on 14 October 1966 and promulgated on 15 November of that year, in virtue of which writings and messages resulting from alleged revelations could be freely circulated in the Church, is absolutely groundless. This decision actually referred to the "Abolition of the Index of Forbidden Books", and determined that - after the relevant censures were lifted, the moral obligation still remained of not circulating or reading those writings which endanger faith and morals.

2) It should be recalled however that with regard to the circulation of texts of alleged private revelations, canon 823 §1 of the current Code remains in force: "the Pastors of the Church have the ... right to demand that writings to be published by the Christian faithful which touch upon faith or morals be submitted to their judgement.
andrew24157
Kevin Let me quote someone (Lord Jesus) from the most recent message to Luz de Maria. It should answer well your objections: "DO YOU WISH TO COME OUT OF THE IGNORANCE THAT YOU INFLICT ON YOURSELVES BY WORKING AND ACTING ACCORDING TO YOUR INDIVIDUAL EGO?

BE HUMBLE:
this is lacking in this generation - the humility to accept that although each person is an individual, you do …More
Kevin Let me quote someone (Lord Jesus) from the most recent message to Luz de Maria. It should answer well your objections: "DO YOU WISH TO COME OUT OF THE IGNORANCE THAT YOU INFLICT ON YOURSELVES BY WORKING AND ACTING ACCORDING TO YOUR INDIVIDUAL EGO?

BE HUMBLE:
this is lacking in this generation - the humility to accept that although each person is an individual, you do not live alone, but surrounded by other human beings, with whom I have called you to live in fraternity."
Kevin
@andrew24157 The quotes I have written above are not from my own 'ego'. They were quotes from (then) Cardinal Ratzinger, (now) St Pope John Paul II, and from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Do you accuse them of lacking humility and 'acting according to their egos'? It appears that you lack humility because you ignore the CDF statement (section 2) stating that "The interpretati…More
@andrew24157 The quotes I have written above are not from my own 'ego'. They were quotes from (then) Cardinal Ratzinger, (now) St Pope John Paul II, and from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Do you accuse them of lacking humility and 'acting according to their egos'? It appears that you lack humility because you ignore the CDF statement (section 2) stating that "The interpretation given by some individuals to a Decision approved by Paul VI on 14 October 1966 and promulgated on 15 November of that year, in virtue of which writings and messages resulting from alleged revelations could be freely circulated in the Church, is absolutely groundless." and yet despite this official ecclesiastical Notification, you still are circulating parts of these alleged messages on Gloria TV. As for this alleged seer 'Luz de Maria' - what is her status with the Church? Have her 'messages' been approved by the local Ordinary? If so, please can I see evidence - and not biased evidence from her own website, which I've just checked out fleetingly but I could find no reference to ecclesiastical approval at all. I'd just like to see factual evidence in the form of a statement from the local Ordinary's chancery. This passage is from the same 1996 Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith notification:- 3) Alleged supernatural revelations and writings concerning them are submitted in first instance to the judgement of the diocesan Bishop, and, in particular cases, to the judgement of the Episcopal Conference and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. So unless 'Luz de Maria' has been approved by any of the above, you should not be quoting her as if she were approved. Take your own advice. You should BE HUMBLE to legitimate ecclesiastical authority in these matters, or you will find yourself led astray.

One other point - and here I am not asking this to make a wise-crack, but I have looked again at some of your previous responses and am beginning to wonder if English is your first language? It might help me to comprehend if you are just being obstinate, or if you truly cannot understand what the Church teaches regarding alleged apparitions. In case there is any doubt, I will repeat the relevant three parts of the Congregation for the Doctrine Notification again: please study them well, and don't come back at me with a quote from another alleged 'seer', because what I have put below is what the Church officially states, not my own ego:

1) The interpretation given by some individuals to a Decision approved by Paul VI on 14 October 1966 and promulgated on 15 November of that year, in virtue of which writings and messages resulting from alleged revelations could be freely circulated in the Church, is absolutely groundless. This decision actually referred to the "Abolition of the Index of Forbidden Books", and determined that - after the relevant censures were lifted, the moral obligation still remained of not circulating or reading those writings which endanger faith and morals.

2) It should be recalled however that with regard to the circulation of texts of alleged private revelations, canon 823 §1 of the current Code remains in force: "the Pastors of the Church have the ... right to demand that writings to be published by the Christian faithful which touch upon faith or morals be submitted to their judgement.

3) Alleged supernatural revelations and writings concerning them are submitted in first instance to the judgement of the diocesan Bishop, and, in particular cases, to the judgement of the Episcopal Conference and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
andrew24157
Kevin Yes, Card. Ratzinger and pope JPII did a lot of mistakes signing or producing by themselves the CDF statements (some of them). I am sure pope JPII was judged on it (according to some sources he spent some years in purgatory) - "The Church is Holy if His head is Holy". If the head of the church is just mere human then we all are in trouble. I pray a lot for the present Sanhedrin which got …More
Kevin Yes, Card. Ratzinger and pope JPII did a lot of mistakes signing or producing by themselves the CDF statements (some of them). I am sure pope JPII was judged on it (according to some sources he spent some years in purgatory) - "The Church is Holy if His head is Holy". If the head of the church is just mere human then we all are in trouble. I pray a lot for the present Sanhedrin which got even worse. It does not mean that they didn't do good things. But suppressing visionaries (all of those three or four I mentioned were approved on local level by their bishops) is meant to keep people in the dark, therefore I'm against it. Nothing can be achieved without a risk, or even worse one can miss a boat. I will not put my eternal life into the hands of masonic structure. Matthew 23:3 "3 All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not."
Kevin
@andrew24157 But you still haven't showed me evidence of ecclesiastical approval of any of these alleged 'seers'. We're going round in circles here and I'm not wasting any more time on this. Our Lord knows whether your ignorance in this matter is culpable or not, and you will be judged accordingly by Him for disobeying legitimate ecclesiastical authority. You stick with your 'seers' Andrew, …More
@andrew24157 But you still haven't showed me evidence of ecclesiastical approval of any of these alleged 'seers'. We're going round in circles here and I'm not wasting any more time on this. Our Lord knows whether your ignorance in this matter is culpable or not, and you will be judged accordingly by Him for disobeying legitimate ecclesiastical authority. You stick with your 'seers' Andrew, and I'll stick with the Church. May God bless and help you. Good bye.
andrew24157
Kevin I'll post what I can find quickly: "His Holiness Pope Paul VI has confirmed on October 14, 1966 the Decree of the Sacred Congregation for the promulgation of the Faith (Acta Apostolicae Sedis No. 58/16 of December 29, 1966) that allows the publication of writings concerning the supernatural manifestations even if these writings are not approved by the “nihil obstat” of the Ecclesiastic …More
Kevin I'll post what I can find quickly: "His Holiness Pope Paul VI has confirmed on October 14, 1966 the Decree of the Sacred Congregation for the promulgation of the Faith (Acta Apostolicae Sedis No. 58/16 of December 29, 1966) that allows the publication of writings concerning the supernatural manifestations even if these writings are not approved by the “nihil obstat” of the Ecclesiastic Authorities."

1-Luz de Maria - approval by the local bishop Image and title of BV Mary received by her in visions:
>>> revelacionesmarianas.com/en/reina_y_madre_de_los_ultimos_tiempos.html

2-Gisella Cardia - cannot find anything on Bing /Google is completely useless in this regard/

3-Enoch - cannot find anything, except that I run my discernment process on his works many times and it seems to be O.K. /including Sacramentals and observations of symmetry in his prayers similar to what I have seen only in Padre's Pio prayer, and what I call "Mathematical theology" i.e. finding strict relations to the constant "pi" - God calls Himself "I AM like a circle without end and beginning" - St Catherine of Siena. It proves to me supernatural origin, no way, Enoch could came up with by himself - it is way to convoluted and not visible to the non-mathematical mind/.

4-Pedro Regis - the only approval I have found is indirect - from the website of prof. Daniel O'Connor: "Pedro Regis is a visionary from Brazil who enjoys the support of his Bishop, and has been receiving prophetic messages for many years now."

5 - John Leary - negative, rejected by the bishop: "Several weeks ago, part of a news story about John Leary was posted on the Tribulation Times. That story related the fact that on July 7, 1999, Bishop Matthew Clark of Rochester, N.Y. issued a formal statement which declared that Leary's 'alleged' messages, or "locutions", did not come from God, that in fact they were "human in origin, not Divine".
For several years, Bishop Clark has been beset with requests from Catholics for a ruling on John Leary’s writing—was it orthodox? -- could it contain authentic messages? These requests came from all over the United States. Those numerous requests are what led to the formal investigation of Mr. Leary’s writings. That in turn led to Bishop Clark's declaration on Leary's alleged "locutions". I.e., Leary's messages are not from God.
SINCE BISHOP CLARK MADE THAT RULING, MR. LEARY HAS BEEN PUBLISHING SOME NEW 'ALLEGED' MESSAGES. These new 'messages' implicitly call Bishop Clark's ruling into question.
One of the main reasons Bishop Clark cited for his ruling, that Leary's "locutions" were "human in origin, not Divine", is that there ARE a number of theological errors in Leary's alleged "locutions". The Bishop's statement singles out two of the most flagrant errors for special comment. They are "Millennarianism", and "Antipapalism". The Bishop's statement makes it clear that these two are NOT the only "doctrinal errors" contained in Leary's writing when it says;
" various doctrinal errors in the (Leary's) works, such as his teaching about an upcoming thousand-year reign of Christ on earth or that the next pope elected should not be obeyed.""

As I said before I run my own discernments as well, so except maybe of John Leary whom I have never checked the others seem to be O.K. /Gisella Cardia for example - a kind of stigmata on her body (hands and arms)/, Enoch - mathematical symmetries in prayers, Pedro Regis and Luz de Maria either full of partial ecclesistical approval.

Thank you for your warnings and prayers, Kevin. I appreciate this very much.
JoshDalf The White
Just an additional word of advise: if something is condemned/declared not of supernatural origin, by the proper authority, drop it. If it is of God, He will see to it that it’s put in good standing if it’s His will.

Idk if what was posted on Fr Gobbi by the archdiocese is equivalent to an official decree or not; but if it is and it hasn’t been rescinded or overruled, it should be dropped.

You …More
Just an additional word of advise: if something is condemned/declared not of supernatural origin, by the proper authority, drop it. If it is of God, He will see to it that it’s put in good standing if it’s His will.

Idk if what was posted on Fr Gobbi by the archdiocese is equivalent to an official decree or not; but if it is and it hasn’t been rescinded or overruled, it should be dropped.

You should not worry about ‘missing a boat’ with private revelation, the only way I could see that being upon your soul would be if you intentionally misrepresented it, or if you were getting legitimate messages that God or Mary was telling you to write down. In the case of that last example, which I pray none of us ever have to deal with, you get a spiritual director and if he tells to completely ignore it, you do so. (do not pray to get such messages, pray the exact opposite.)
andrew24157
JoshDalf The White and Kevin Thank you for your advice. Finally I have found a website which lists hundreds of apparitions. From my list only Pedro Regis from Brazil made it, and they say he does not respect pope Francis, but he made it somehow.
The true apparitions might be confusing for many since they include: St Faustina /SSPX objection/; Akita, Japan; Medjugorje; Garabandal; Fr Stefano …More
JoshDalf The White and Kevin Thank you for your advice. Finally I have found a website which lists hundreds of apparitions. From my list only Pedro Regis from Brazil made it, and they say he does not respect pope Francis, but he made it somehow.
The true apparitions might be confusing for many since they include: St Faustina /SSPX objection/; Akita, Japan; Medjugorje; Garabandal; Fr Stefano Gobbi and Marian Movement of Priests. All my "seers" /except Pedro Regis/ did not make it chiefly because of the following reason - they all claim that Antichrist is already present on Earth. However, the website is very authoritative, an example of the all-knowing attitude:
"caution: the newer messages, given at Emittsburg are true, but the older set of messages, given to the Scottsdale, Arizona, prayer group are false" I mean how so?
It looks that there is no way of figuring it out all this mess.
Thanks for your input, I will re-evaluate my approach accordingly.
Here is the link to CatholicPlanet.com if you want to have a look by yourself
>>> catholicplanet.com/apparitions/
God Bless
laurelmarycecilia
very thoughtful ! I have always shuddered at the supposed comment that Faustina and not the Blessed Mother were closest to Him. That is not possible; further, Jesus the Christ could not resort to flattery.
JoshDalf The White
Hello, I just saw your comment thought I’d direct you to my comments on this video for consideration.

I don’t believe that it’s saying she’s closer to God than Mary. This one is objection #4 in my first comment. Objection #5 has to do with the compliments.

Sincerely,
Joshdalf
The New Knights Templar
@JoshDalf The White I agree with your point on this. Jesus approaches every single soul in a distinctive and unique way. When He states "“I am uniting Myself with you so intimately as with no other creature,” I think He means "in a specific way as I have with no other creature", not to "a degree greater than any other creature." It's like Christ saying "For I say to you, among those born of …More
@JoshDalf The White I agree with your point on this. Jesus approaches every single soul in a distinctive and unique way. When He states "“I am uniting Myself with you so intimately as with no other creature,” I think He means "in a specific way as I have with no other creature", not to "a degree greater than any other creature." It's like Christ saying "For I say to you, among those born of women, no one is greater than the prophet John the Baptist." It's easy to look at this saying and say, wait a minute, what about Mary?
andrew24157
The New Knights Templar

To reinforce your point, from Ann Barnhardt blog: "I even have a proof text of this for you, and it will stop you in your tracks. Our Lord told St. Teresa of Avila, doctor of the Church, the following:

“I would create the universe again, just to hear you say that you love Me.”" Each soul is a Universe for our God.
The New Knights Templar
@andrew24157 Well reinforced, thank you!
JoshDalf The White
@andrew24157 wow, that is a really good example
andrew24157
Another example of the Love of God for His Creation /consisting of the Eros and Agape/: "With my mouth," God says, "I kiss my own chosen creation.

I uniquely, lovingly embrace every image I have made out of the earth’s clay. With a fiery spirit I transform it into a body to serve all the world." - Hildegarde von Bingen
JoshDalf The White
Good finds, as a matter of fact I’m gonna screenshot both
JoshDalf The White
Greetings,

This video pushes objections to The Divine Mercy & St. Faustina which are unnecessary,& some that are indeed untrue (I’ve changed my opening as I’ve learned I may have been incorrect of the objections’ origins, and it was slightly brash. my apologies for the potential oversight or insult). Below are answers, whether mine or someone else's, to every single one of your objectionsMore
Greetings,

This video pushes objections to The Divine Mercy & St. Faustina which are unnecessary,& some that are indeed untrue (I’ve changed my opening as I’ve learned I may have been incorrect of the objections’ origins, and it was slightly brash. my apologies for the potential oversight or insult). Below are answers, whether mine or someone else's, to every single one of your objections in the video.

Objection #1: That it was condemned (thrice) , and that there was no evidence of the supernatural.

Answer:
yes it was condemned(EDIT: actually may not be the right word, see lepantoin.org/in-defense-of-the-divine-mercy-devotion/ furthermore, Pius XII actually refused to ban the devotion wholesale, see the link) like St. Theresa of Avilla's 'The Way of Perfection,' it was also un-condemned; you didn't mention this next claim but for those reading, no it wasn't released from the index due to the index being dissolved like some false memes claim. The move to remove it was from the very same cardinal that opposed it, before(see unamsanctamCatholicam link + Lepanto).The official decree reads:

"

This Sacred Congregation, having now in possession the many original documents unknown in 1959, and having taken into account the profoundly changed circumstances, and having taken into account the opinion of many Polish Ordinaries, declares no longer binding the prohibitions contained in the Notification [of 1959]. [Emphasis mine]” Dr Stackpole’s emphasis " -
marian.org/…s/How-One-Divine-Mercy-Critic-Misses-the-Mark-4194

Also from that article is this quote:

"The fact is that the only translation the Vatican possessed of the Diary of St. Faustina in the 1950s was a faulty translation of the book into Italian, which included gross distortions of what Sister Faustina had written (for example, our Lord said to Sister Faustina, "I am Love and Mercy itself" in entry 1074, but the Italian translation makes it appear that Faustina was making this claim about herself!)”

St. Faustina predicted this, (my boldening) in her diary, by the way, Entry #378 states, "

…...There will come a time when this work, which God is demanding so very much, will be as though utterly undone. And then God will act with great power, which will give evidence of its authenticity. It will be a new splendor for the Church, although it has been dormant in it from long ago. …….."

(EDIT: further on in that same entry 378 she accurately predicts that both she and her spiritual director would be dead when the suppression stopped:

“When this triumph comes, we shall already have entered the new life in which there is no suffering. But before this, your soul [of the spiritual director] will be surfeited with bitterness at the sight of the destruction of your efforts. However, this will only appear to be so, because what God has once decided upon, He does not change” My boldening)

and at entries 1044-1049 in which she sees either the installation or celebration of DM Sunday, and ends with her predicting her canonization, in between both of these predictions is entry 1245 it says this:

Then some clergymen whom I did not know began to examine me and to humiliate me,[183] or rather, what I had written; but I saw how Jesus himself was defending me and giving them to understand what they did not know.”

The second part of this objection is that there was allegedly no supernatural nature to her writings or experiences. (EDIT: the wording, according to this video’s description, actually uses a term like we ‘think’ which isn’t very definitive) This claim was in the notification of 1959 and is thus undone, if I understand it properly, as it’s mention is giving reason for the prohibition and is thus part of the prohibitions. I'll inform you that they basically said the same about St. Padre Pio(again my boldening, and underlining):

“A similar situation arose with the Church’s initial pastoral and disciplinary condemnations of St. Padre Pio. The Italian journalist Renzo Allegri, in his book Padre Pio: Man of Hope, reports that the Holy Office’s first decree against Padre Pio of May 31, 1923, declared that they could not confirm that Padre Pio had the stigmata. A decree of July 24, 1924, from the Holy Office explained that the earlier decree said their earlier investigation “failed to find anything of a supernatural characterin the “phenomena surrounding Padre Pio of Pietrelcina,” and forbade the faithful from maintaining contact with Padre Pio, even by letter. This condemnation was reiterated in a decree of July 11, 1926. On May 23, 1931, Padre Pio was deprived of all ministerial functions, save for saying Mass privately, and lived as a recluse for three years. He was allowed to resume his priestly ministry by Pius XI, but the Holy Office never formally rescinded their decrees. (Indeed, Allegri says that at the time of Padre Pio’s death (Sept. 23, 1968), “his name was still on the list of people condemned by the Holy Office.”) In 1952, the Holy Office condemned a number of books on Padre Pio, books that later were used as source material for his cause for canonization. In 1960, at the conclusion of an apostolic visitation of the Capuchin friary at San Giovanni Rotondo, Padre Pio was once again given a series of restrictions on his priestly ministry. These were only lifted on the direct intervention of St. John XXIII through Cardinal Ottaviani on January 30, 1964.

So the Church before the Council imposed heavy restrictions on Padre Pio, going so far as to decree officially that the Holy Office had found nothing supernatural in the phenomena surrounding him. On Feb. 20, 1971, Pope St. Paul VI spoke of Padre Pio having the stigmata in an address to the superiors of the Capuchins, contrary to the pre-conciliar decree of the Holy Office. Also subsequent to Vatican II, the Church, judging there to be no obstacles to Padre Pio’s cause for canonization, beatified (May 2, 1999) and canonized him (June 16, 2002).

The Church after the Council did not hold as binding the decrees of the pre-conciliar Holy Office when it came to the supernatural phenomena in the life of St. Padre Pio. Similarly, the Church after the Council overturned the ban imposed on the Divine Mercy message and devotion given to us through St. Faustina. Further, the Church after the Council beatified and canonized both saints. If Faustina’s post-conciliar rehabilitation and canonization is questionable, then so must be Padre Pio’s.” -Dr. Robert
Stackpole and Chris Sparks from the article “Answering Radical Traditionalist Critiques of the Divine Mercy Message and Devotion” thedivinemercy.org/…nalist-critiques-divine-mercy-message-and-devotion
----------------------------------------------------------

Objection #2: The image is 'odd,' it's a 'copy' of the Sacred Heart, there's no halo, no visible heart, signs of The Passion are "almost invisible", and this, or some of these, equals that the image means unconditional mercy without the cross.

Answer:
There's a lot here, the idea that the image is 'odd' is a very lame claim actually the image is very beautiful, just because you don't like it's appearance doesn't mean that it's 'odd.'

You claim it's a copy of the Sacred Heart, yet claim that it's odd, so does that make the Sacred Heart odd? In the next objection I will show why there's no conflict between the two, that is, between the Sacred Heart, and Divine Mercy Image.

You claim it's a problem that there's no halo, yet, how many crucifixes has Christ with a halo? How many statues? Are all St. Benedict Crucifixes now wrong, because of the absence of a halo? The halo originated in pagan culture, by the way. I'm not saying that it's wrong to use halos, it's not, I'm simply pointing out that they aren't needed. EDIT: The Divine Mercy image, the original, does have a halo not that it matters, it's just not as pronounced as other images.

There's no visible Heart. Yep that's true, indeed there are tons of images of Christ where His Heart isn't visible, same with Mary, shall we condemn all of those? I'm talking statues, pictures, and crucifixes. Clearly this is a lame objection; still the Heart is present, and that will be handled in the next objection.

Sign of The Passion are "almost invisible," true again, but they are there, this is an image of The Resurrected Christ, so it makes sense.

Finally is the wrong claim that this means unconditional mercy without The Cross; or in other words, there's no justice. First of all the image, and it's features does not speak to that in the slightest, unless you want to claim that when Christ resurrected, and appeared to the apostles, that's what Christ was saying,of course we all know that's nonsense. Or that the idea of trusting in God equals it, which is absurd. As to the idea that St. Faustina's writings claim unconditional mercy and no need of the cross, I submit that you can only make this claim if you haven't read the diary. This post will be long so I will reply to this post with how ridiculous this claim is, it will also include your objection about the graces attached to the image. Suffice to say the most said prayer in The Divine Mercy Chaplet beseeches Mercy through The Passion.

Final Edit (hopefully) just in case you get bored and don't venture to the mentioned post here's just two of the entries: ""There is no way to heaven except the way of the cross. I followed it first. You must learn that it is the shortest and surest way." #1487

By means of this image I shall grant many graces to souls. It is to be a reminder of the demands of My mercy, because even the strongest faith is of no avail without works” #742

Please watch this video from 1:06:33 to 1:14:00 youtube.com/watch?v=oPDF7SWi-X4 It shows the scientific analysis of The Shroud of Turin, and The Image of Divine Mercy. While watching, bear in mind that St.Faustina had the artist repeatedly redo parts of the painting( if not start all over) like 12 times for a number of reasons, including that he wasn’t capturing The Lord’s beauty.

You then tried to compare and equate St. John Paul II with St. Faustina; bad logic. By this logic one can argue St. Francis is nothing more than an animal loving hippy, because some use him as such.
-------------------------------------------------------------

Objection #3 It replaces The Sacred Heart. (not explicitly stated, but clearly implied)

Answer: Nope.

The diary, and devotion, should not be held to what some may attempt with it. Regarding the diary there is nowhere a condemnation of The Sacred Heart, but instead mentions of it, in fact one of the last things mentioned in the diary is a vision of The Sacred Heart: “..Today I saw the Sacred Heart of Jesus in the sky, in the midst of a great brilliance. The rays were issuing from the Wound [in His side] and spreading out over the entire world.” - #1796

There are many other mentions, #1287, 1290, 1306, 1318, 1321, 1367, 1680.
#1485 is a mention of His Sacred Heart, from The Lord. There are likely more.

In her vision(or discription) of heaven The Sacred Heart is mentioned at entry #592

In fact there are similarities between the two, there’s a number of articles on TheDivineMercy.org. One of these very interesting things is that both devotions coming from Nuns (one a Nun St. Margaret Mary Alacoque (cloistered) the other a sister St. Faustina (not cloistered)) The spreading of the devotion was largely placed upon the shoulders of their spiritual directors, St. Claude Colombiere (Sacred Heart) and Bl. Michael Sopocko (Divine Mercy) both died, 100s of years apart, on the same day Feb. 15. Feb 15 also happens to be the day of St. Faustina’s patron, St. Faustus. (this info was taken from an article on the website in this paragraph)

Additonaly, St. Faustina may have had a devotion to St. Claude, “+I have chosen Saint Claude de la Colombiere and Saint Gertrude as my patron saints for this retreat, that they may intercede for me before the Mother of God and the merciful Savior” – Entry #728

If the Image of Divine Mercy replaces The Sacred Heart, simply due to it's similarities; then which image of Mary must we defend? Fatima, Akita, Our Lady of Good Success, Guadalupe, Lady of Victory, Immaculate Conception, etc, etc, etc, etc. Oh, by the way, how many of those has The Heart exposed? What about all of our images of Christ?

The Heart is, in fact, present in the image. Where are the rays coming from? " Oh Blood and Water, which gushed forth from The Heart of Jesus, as a fount of Mercy for us, I trust in you."

Or from Jesus according to St. Faustina: “.... These two rays issued forth from the depths of My tender mercy when My agonized Heart was opened by a lance on the Cross.....” #299

------------------------------------------------

Objection #4: Entry 707, that is, about Christ, "uniting Myself with you so intimately as with no other creature.”

Answer: I can understand the concern, but it's unfounded.

First of all, the one part in question is very short “as with no other creature,” and is thus actually a good candidate for a not-perfect translation, as it being so short, that even a slightly inaccurate word translation* can lose subtlety, which is what this rests upon. (*St. Faustina had 2 and a half years, or winters, of schooling. Much of her writings were spelt phonetically, so if she spoke english and tried to spell 'phone' she may have spelt it as 'fone' or 'fown', the translation that we have has gone through A. translating her phonetic polish into polish, and B. That Polish into the various languages. Subtly can be lost with even a normal translation. For what it's worth, I have heard that Fr. Ripperger believes that people's qualms about her diary come down to translation. If you have his book 'Deliverance Prayers For Use By The Laity' check the 3rd prayer.)

Assuming that the translation here is perfect, I’d like to point out that the statement is actually vague. It’s vague because it can be understood in a number of ways: That St. Faustina is receiving a union with God,

a) even greater than The Blessed Mother, (both Church Triumphant and Militant) thus making St. Faustina higher, as the objection runs.

b) greater than any other soul in The Church Militant, that is, of those alive at the time of the message, St. Faustina was the holiest.

c) in a unique way, unlike anyone before. (Fr. Nix, below)

d) in a unique way, at that moment/time, as there is a cause and effect relationship between entries #707 and #708.

“But my strongest argument in favor of the authenticity of St. Faustina’s private revelation on that DMD 707 line is the following: When Christ said to her, “I am uniting Myself with you so intimately as with no other creature,” anyone who has studied the ascetical theology of the Catholic Church (something that is dogmatic, not devotional) knows that such is how Christ unites Himself to any soul! This is not me playing with words. St. John of the Cross, the greatest doctor of spiritual theology in the Catholic Church repeatedly wrote about how unique the Blessed Trinity’s union is to each one of us. This is true, even at the lowest levels of holiness, provided we are in sanctifying grace. In other words, it is the spiritual theology teaching of the Catholic Church that Christ uniquely and intimately has united himself to me, Fr. David Nix, in a way as found in the soul of “no other creature.” The same is true for you if you are in sanctifying grace. Thus, anyone who has studied (even at a cursory level) the multivalent gifts of grace in the soul should quickly understand that Christ could very easily say to any and every saint in history that He was “uniting Myself with you so intimately as with no other creature.” Our souls are even more unique than our bodies.” - Fr. David Nix padreperegrino.org/2019/04/div-mercy/

I don't know much about Fr. Nix, I don't know what his standing is in the Church, nor his claims about what is dogmatic; what I know is that he does not say the Norvus Ordo, and his answer here does make sense. As you can see, only one (we could stretch it to a total of 6 possibilities, with 2 being problematic) of 4 possibilities is problematic, it is thus a matter of interpretation with the odds in St. Faustina's favor.

I will now quote a number of passages that show St. Faustina did not consider herself higher than Mary, after entry 707, and then simply list the entry numbers to save room:

“….During Holy Mass today, I was united in a particular way with God and His Immaculate Mother. The humility and love of the Immaculate Virgin penetrated my soul. The more I imitate the Mother of God, the more deeply I get to know God. ….” - #843

“…..O radiant Virgin, pure as crystal, all immersed in God, I offer You my spiritual life; arrange everything that it may be pleasing to Your son. O my Mother, how ardently I desire that You give me the Infant Jesus during the Midnight Mass. ..” - #844

“Mary, Immaculate Virgin, take me under Your special protection and guard the purity of my soul, heart and body. You are the model and star of my life.” - #874

“Since that time, I have been living under the virginal cloak of the Mother of God. She has been guarding me and instructing me. I am quite at peace, close to Her immaculate Heart. Because I am so weak and inexperienced, I nestle like a little child close to Her heart.” - #1097

More:
(#1746) #728, #785, #846, #1097, #1114, #1174, #1244, #1250, #1261, #1388, #1398, #1412-1415, #1585, #1624, #1710-1711, #1745

In addition to the above, an obvious question is: Who would be higher, Mother of God (#786) or Secretary (#1785)? Also, St. Faustina regards herself as wretched (#1417), etc many times, and has both the Blessed Mother, and The Lord instructing her throughout. #1361 is The Lord acknowledging her resolution to become a saint. As well as many occasions of St. Faustina going to confession throughout the diary; all while maintaining that Mary was “ever untouched by sin(#1746).”

--------------------------------------------------

Objection #5: Love language. + the alleged impossibility of St. Faustina loving God greater than the angels while on earth.

Answer: God loves us all. Just because constant reaffirmations, and compliments, are against your temperament, doesn't mean it was against hers. See the 3-part series 'Defense of The Divine Mercy Devotion' on Unam Sanctam Catholicam, starting here unamsanctamcatholicam.com/…le/82-spirtuality/222-defense-of-divine-mercy.html she mentions some other Saints being talked to similarly. EDIT: Third part has a more full list unamsanctamcatholicam.com/…7-defense-of-the-divine-mercy-devotion-part-3.html <--third part also deals with the second half of this objection.

Mankind is elevated above the angels, due to The Incarnation, ergo, if a soul reaches great holiness and sanctity, even on Earth, it's possible that they can love God greater than the angels. It's also possible that there's a loss of subtly in translation, but because you didn't give the actual citation number I don't know where it is. Regardless, I think what I have said is correct, it would certainly be amazing, but not impossible.
--------------------------
Objection #6 The world was blessed, but WWII came anyway.

Answer:
So? Did not St. Joseph holding The Infant Jesus at Fatima give a blessing during the miracle of the sun, before WWII? A blessing does not = prevention.

I do not know all of the citations, but she does speak of a war to come, as well as chastisement upon Poland. Entry #39 reads :

"One day Jesus told me that He would cause a chastisement to fall upon the most beautiful city in our country. This chastisement would be that with which God had punished Sodom and Gomorrah. I saw the great wrath of God and a shudder pierced my heart. I prayed in silence. After a moment Jesus said to me, My child, unite yourself closely to Me during the Sacrifice and offer My Blood and My Wounds to My Father in expiation for the sins of that city. Repeat this without interruption throughout the entire Holy Mass. Do this for seven days. On the seventh day I saw Jesus in a bright cloud and began to beg Him to look upon the city and upon our whole country. Jesus looked [down] graciously. When I saw the kindness of Jesus, I began to beg His blessing. Immediately Jesus said, For your sake I bless the entire country. And He made a big sign of the cross over our country. Seeing the goodness of God, a great joy filled my soul."

It is believed that that city is Warsaw, being the capital of Poland, for when the war ended due to the bombings, it did in fact look like a punishment like Sodom and Gomorrah. According to her spiritual director :

"She [Sr. Faustina] wrote in her diary that Jesus Himself said that He was about to destroy one of the most beautiful cities of our country like Sodom was destroyed on account of the crimes perpetrated there [Diary, entry 39]. Having read about these things in the Diary I asked her what does the prophecy mean? She answered confirming what she wrote and replying to a further question of mine, on account of what kind of sins God was going to inflict these punishments. She answered: especially for the killing of infants not yet born, the most grievous crime of all."

It turns out that Warsaw was one of the capitals of abortion in Poland. thedivinemercy.org/articles/poland-1930s-are-we-due-chastisement

Whether or not she's saying abortion is the most grievous sin of all, or simply that of that city doesn't matter, St. Faustina is not infallible. What's important here, is that she predicted it's chastisement, the manner of the chastisement, and that it was due to abortion.

According to her spiritual director, she would break down and cry when he would press her for information on the war to come.

Here is a short video of something, actually two things she predicted not in her diary 1. that the war coming would not be short, and 2. the convent would be spared youtube.com/watch?v=xTORziS9dHg
-------------------------------------------------------------
Objection #7: You will not be judged

Answer:
"Actually, any saint who dies in a state of entire sanctification and therefore goes straight to Heaven at their death is in that sense “exempt from divine judgement,” in the sense that they will not suffer condemnation of any kind. The Church teaches that one can only know for sure that one will be saved by means of an extraordinary revelation from God — which is evidently what St. Faustina experienced here." - Robert Stackpole, Chris Sparks from thedivinemercy.org/…nalist-critiques-divine-mercy-message-and-devotion
Further, what about "Judge not, that you may not be judged," Matthew 7:1
My point here, is that sometimes you can't just read a single line without looking further.

John 3:18 " He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Sincerely,

Joshdalf

P.S will be back with the follow up after a break, which will include your objection to The Host coming out of the tabernacle, I forgot to address it in this one
JoshDalf The White
Continued:

Objection #8: The Host leaving the tabernacle.

This one is difficult to explain, not because there isn’t an answer, but because I don’t fully understand why these things happen.

Answer: This is a quotation, from this article,unamsanctamcatholicam.com/…2-defense-of-the-divine-mercy-devotion-part-2.html (my boldened '*'):

"Mr. Dimond also sites St. Faustina's words “...and the …More
Continued:

Objection #8: The Host leaving the tabernacle.

This one is difficult to explain, not because there isn’t an answer, but because I don’t fully understand why these things happen.

Answer: This is a quotation, from this article,unamsanctamcatholicam.com/…2-defense-of-the-divine-mercy-devotion-part-2.html (my boldened '*'):

"Mr. Dimond also sites St. Faustina's words “...and the host came out of the tabernacle and came to rest in my hands and I, with joy, placed it back in the tabernacle. This was repeated a second time, and I did the same thing. Despite this, it happened a third time...” [3] What Mr. Dimond fails to mention is that this was not during Mass or any sort of Communion service, and that it may have in fact been nothing more than a vision.* Christ was revealing to the Saint His displeasure with things that were going on in the House, and that He wished to leave. He was making a point. What point, you ask? The power of intercessory prayer. She loved Him, she wanted Him to stay, and He stayed, but she would have to intercede on behalf of her Community. She then undertook “three days of adoration by way of reparation.” How many of us are willing to do the same for erring brethren?” -The quotation from the above link

*It may have been a spiritual vision, as she was a member of the lower choir (there were two levels in her convent) and it's doubtful that she had access to the key to the tabernacle. There is also no mention of her venturing to obtain, or find, the key.
(this info, or some, was from an article of TheDivineMercy.org, likely the one about answers Radical Traditionalists) The entry is #44, it is truly unclear of whether or not this is a mystical vision/dream, or a physical event, she just jumps right into it without saying (maybe she didn’t know). Mystical experiences, just to keep in mind , are not always ‘normal.’ Case point: St. John eats the book the angel gives him in apocalypse.

Additionally it is well known that St. Claire of Assisi used the Host in a Monstrance to disperse an invading islamic force, pretty sure a nun isn’t supposed to usually touch the monstrance with a Consecrated Host in it. I think she, St. Claire, may also be one of the saints to hold Jesus as an infant,, and it may have been witnessed by the other sisters!

I don’t know why these things happen, and if I knew more lives of the saints I could probably bring more examples. I think it’s safe to conclude that under such circumstances that God takes care of everything, meaning no particles of the Host were left on St. Faustina’s hands or the floor(if it wasn’t a mystical dream, because it may not have been).

There is also the case of that young Saint early in the Church, a child, who died transporting the host in his hands. I don't remember his name.

In general this is not arguing for communion in the hand either, something the author of the article above in this section explains.
------------------------------------------------------

Objection #9: Unconditional Mercy + No need of The Cross + No Justice

St. Fausitna's life and writings are replete with the need for suffering , confession, and sacrifice.
Such as ,

“During Holy Mass, I saw the Lord Jesus nailed upon the cross amidst great torments. A soft moan issued from His Heart. After some time, He said, I thirst, I thirst for the salvation of souls. Help me, My daughter, to save souls. Join your sufferings to My Passion and offer them to the Heavenly Father for sinners.” #1032

"There is but one price at which souls are bought, and that is suffering united to My cross." #324

"There is no way to heaven except the way of the cross. I followed it first. You must learn that it is the shortest and surest way." #1487

By means of this image I shall grant many graces to souls. It is to be a reminder of the demands of My mercy, because even the strongest faith is of no avail without works” #742

"Oh, how pleasing are the hymns flowing from a suffering soul! All heaven delights in such a soul, especially when it is tested by God. It mournfully sings out its longing for Him. Great is its beauty, because it comes from God. The soul walks through the jungle of life, wounded by God's love. With one foot only it touches the ground" (114). "

" The greater the sinner the greater his right to God's mercy" #423

Not to mention the very prayers of the chaplet.

It’s no surprise that a revelation about mercy is going to speak more about mercy than justice. There are however many mentions of justice:

St. Faustina visits purgatory, diary #20, has Our Lord saying “My mercy does not want this, but justice demands it.”

#36 has Our Lord tell St. Faustina that, “You are guilty of one day of fire in purgatory” It is then offered to her to spend it there (purgatory) or on earth.

There are many instances of her praying for the souls in purgatory throughout the diary.

She also saw hell, diary #741, after the description of it she says, “I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there…” she also notes that, “most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell.”

Whether “most of the souls there” is a general statement, or simply of those that she saw, is not mentioned. But the existence of purgatory and hell, the constant calls to repentance of sinners in confession, and the fact that the Chaplet is both a meditation on The Passion(of which she had visions of) and a plea for mercy, has obvious implications to the objection at hand.

Go read entry #1728, a small quote from there: “ Tell sinners that no one shall escape My Hand; if they run away from My Merciful Heart, they will fall into My Just Hands.

Now read:

"Then I saw the Lord Jesus nailed to the cross. When He had hung on it for a while, I saw a multitude of souls crucified like Him. Then I saw a second multitude of souls, and a third. The second multitude were not nailed to [their] crosses, but were holding them firmly in their hands. The third were neither nailed to [their] crosses nor holding them firmly in their hands, but were dragging [their] crosses behind them and were discontent. Jesus then said to me, Do you see these souls? Those who are like Me in the pain and contempt they suffer will be like Me also in glory. And those who resemble Me less in pain and contempt will also bear less resemblance to Me in glory.

Among the crucified souls, the most numerous were those of the clergy. I also saw some crucified souls whom I knew, and this gave me great joy. Then Jesus said to me, In your meditation tomorrow, you shall think about what you have seen today. And immediately Jesus disappeared on me." - entry #446

The order of things, according to St. Faustina's diary, that you should do at 3 o'clock are
1. the stations of The Cross. If you can't do that 2. Go to that chapel and contemplate The Passion. If you can't do that 3. Immerse yourself in The Passion of The Lord(especially His abandonment on The Cross), if even for a moment. All of these with the special intention of conversion of sinners. This, or most, is at entry #1572, and before you worry that it ends with another problematic line ".... I claim veneration for My mercy from every creature, but above all from you, since it is to you that I have given the most profound understanding of this mystery." the context is that it's instructions for the Church Militant (what to do at 3 o'clock here on earth) and so it's simply Our Lord informing her that of all those on earth, the most is expected of her, because she at that time had the greatest understanding of the mystery.

The prayer for the conversion of souls mentions The Heart of Jesus "Oh Blood and Water, which gushed forth from The Heart of Jesus, as a font of Mercy for us, I trust in You."

Final Edit to this post, I hope: here's some about confession

"Pray for souls that they be not afraid to approach the tribunal of My mercy. Do not grow weary of praying for sinners. You know what a burden their souls are to My Heart. Relieve My deathly sorrow; dispense My mercy." (975)

"Let no soul fear to draw near to Me, even though its sins be as scarlet. ....." - opening of entry 699

more at divinemercyforamerica.org/…personal-holiness/sincere-and-frequent-confession/
--------------------------

Objection #10: The objection to the graces attached to the image.

It's true that the graces, promises, attached are incredible.

“I promise that the soul that will venerate this image (of Divine Mercy) will not
perish. I also promise victory over (its) enemies already here on earth, especially at the
hour of death. I Myself will defend it as My own glory.” (Diary, 48)"

Whereas I can see your concern, again I think it needs to be brought into context. What does it mean to truly venerate the image? I think it is similar with the passage in scripture that protestants try to claim vindicates them "accepting Christ as their personal Savior" and then walking off as though they're good. In The Bible those who truly follow Christ are promised eternal life. But just because one claims to be a Christian, doesn't mean that they are.

Therefore, I think that those who truly venerate The Image of Divine Mercy are those who 1. Are true followers of Christ. 2. Venerate Christ as a merciful savior. 3. Probably also needs a devotion to the devotion of DM for this particular grace. A similar thing can be drawn from the promise attached to the brown scapular.

Victory over it's enemies may include some on earth (in terms of humans), but the context clearly indicates that it means our spiritual enemies.
------------------------------------------

I want to now draw attention to the link between Fatima and The Divine Mercy.

This is one of the prayers the angel taught the children (not my boldening, but yes my underlining) :

Most Holy Trinity—Father, Son and Holy Spirit—I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges, and indifferences whereby He is offended. And through the infinite merits of His Most Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, I beg of Thee the conversion of poor sinners.

Now the Divine Mercy 'Our Father' bead prayer:

" Eternal Father, I offer Thee the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, of thy dearly beloved Son, Our Lord, Jesus Christ. In Atonement for ours sins, and those of the whole world."

Now notice the Fatima prayer now attached to the rosary:

"O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy."

Sound familiar? " The greater the sinner the greater his right to God's mercy" #423

&

“Let the greatest sinners place their trust in My mercy. They have the right before others to trust in the abyss of My mercy.” #1146

There is a shifting towards begging for Mercy in the life of The Church, and it doesn't matter if certain Popes have distorted it or not. Frankly it's time of arrival is uncanny, both in terms of the history of the world, and The Church, which I believes speaks to it's legitimacy.

In regards to the part of Fatima about the conversion of Russia, the intention for the conversion of the heretics and the schistmatics is smack in the center of the Divine Mercy Novena (the mass produced pamphlets contain changed wording for day 5 that reads "Today bring to Me the souls that have separated themselves from the Church" but the actual entry reads "Today bring to Me the souls of heretics and schismatics, and immerse them in the ocean of My mercy. During My bitter Passion they tore at My Body and Heart; that is, My Church. As they return to unity with the Church, My wounds heal, and in this way they alleviate My Passion.")

It is further interesting, because Poland is kind of a mixture of 'The West' and 'The East,' The Image of Divine Mercy is also an icon, or a quasi-icon. The date in which St. Faustina says Our Lord appeared to her, asking her to paint The Image is on the date of a special feast of The Icons according to this video (I think it's this one) youtube.com/watch?v=HKjN1aJyAZA&list=PLqz7fTVUfJikajWka1uaofcG

I have heard that the schismatic Russians (and perhaps Eastern Rites in The Church), don't appreciate us displaying The Hearts of The Lord and Mary; makes me wonder if this is meant to help draw them back. In addition, the Orthodox love the Jesus Prayer "Oh Lord Jesus Christ, Son of The Living Father, Have Mercy on me, a poor miserable sinner" they'll repeat that prayer 100s of times like a rosary. Well the Chaplet of Divine Mercy is similar to both the Rosary and The Jesus prayer, while at the same time, unique.
CatholicDoors
The blind will always be blind because they are not open to the Holy Spirit's incoming truth. They are more interested in arguing versus learning the truth. So let them continue to argue right into eternity with the father of arguments. There they will be comfortable.
JoshDalf The White
Well I don't want that, lol. People don't have to believe it, it is private revelation, you just can't deny that God is Divinely Merciful. That being said, I do sincerely believe St. Faustina's experiences are legitimate.
Ultraviolet
"The blind will always be blind because they are not open to the Holy Spirit's incoming truth." Pope Francis uses "the holy spirit" in that same manner to justify whatever non-Catholic insanity he's presenting @Catholic Doors
Ultraviolet
"People don't have to believe it, it is private revelation" That's fine, Josh. But then it should remain private, instead of being promoted publicly and as authentically Catholic. Even a superficial review of Sr. Faustina's claims puts this nuttiness right next to the equally sugary and erroneous theology from Medjugorje.
JoshDalf The White
Know what else is private revelation? The Sacred Heart. The Church can choose when to install something and promote it. And I can choose when to defend something, like private revelation, publicly. It’s apparent you have no problem attacking it publicly.

You claim that St. Faustina is nutty, nand "next to the equally sugary and erroneous theology from Medjugorje" you claim the devotion isn’t …More
Know what else is private revelation? The Sacred Heart. The Church can choose when to install something and promote it. And I can choose when to defend something, like private revelation, publicly. It’s apparent you have no problem attacking it publicly.

You claim that St. Faustina is nutty, nand "next to the equally sugary and erroneous theology from Medjugorje" you claim the devotion isn’t Catholic. Oh? How so? How about you read my posts and consider them, before you make such a rude claim.
andrew24157
JoshDalf The White I agree with you 100%. Excellent arguments. As to the criticizing the pope, which seems to be sport at GloriaTV - another private revelation just as the Sacred Heart and all others such as Fatima, etc. : We are not to judge the pope however tempting it is but to pray for him, even if he is on the other side - as Lord Jesus said: "Pray for Me" /i.e. Vicar of Christ/. A quote …More
JoshDalf The White I agree with you 100%. Excellent arguments. As to the criticizing the pope, which seems to be sport at GloriaTV - another private revelation just as the Sacred Heart and all others such as Fatima, etc. : We are not to judge the pope however tempting it is but to pray for him, even if he is on the other side - as Lord Jesus said: "Pray for Me" /i.e. Vicar of Christ/. A quote from St Catherine of Siena: "“Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: 'They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!' But God has commanded that, even if the priests, the pastors, and Christ-on-earth were incarnate devils, we be obedient and subject to them, not for their sakes, but for the sake of God, and out of obedience to Him.”

St. Catherine of Siena, SCS, p. 201-202, p. 222, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 5: “The Book of Obedience”, Chapter 1: “There is No Salvation Without Personal Submission to the Pope”).

A lot of lost souls here at GloriaTV. Divine Mercy is super important Devotion in these last thousands parts of God's Mercy left for us. Next in line is Justice.
JoshDalf The White
@andrew24157 I made an account to respond to this video; but I can imagine what they’re like. There’s no issue with criticizing a Pope for legitimate reasons, but it should be done in , and with , charity. St. Bridget of Sweden was one of the saints attempting to get the Papacy to go back to Rome in her time.

That quote you posted doesn’t seem like a private revelation, it seems like an opini…More
@andrew24157 I made an account to respond to this video; but I can imagine what they’re like. There’s no issue with criticizing a Pope for legitimate reasons, but it should be done in , and with , charity. St. Bridget of Sweden was one of the saints attempting to get the Papacy to go back to Rome in her time.

That quote you posted doesn’t seem like a private revelation, it seems like an opinion. Nevertheless, opinions of saints should be considered, but unless the saint is a Pope acting in an infallible scenario, or a saint proclaiming a dogma etc, they can be wrong. Now true, we can’t formally reject the Pope, that is true 100% as it is Christ’s Church; but that is different from criticism, of course.
andrew24157
JoshDalf The White Another quote about unity. From BV Mary to Fr Gobbi: "This interior division is manifesting itself even among the faithful who often set themselves one against the other, in an attempt to defend and better promote the truth. Thus the truth is betrayed by even them, as the Gospel of my Son cannot be divided.

This interior division sometimes even leads priests to set themselves …More
JoshDalf The White Another quote about unity. From BV Mary to Fr Gobbi: "This interior division is manifesting itself even among the faithful who often set themselves one against the other, in an attempt to defend and better promote the truth. Thus the truth is betrayed by even them, as the Gospel of my Son cannot be divided.

This interior division sometimes even leads priests to set themselves against priests, bishops against bishops, and cardinals against cardinals, for never before as in these times has Satan so succeeded in finding his way into their midst, rending asunder the precious bond of their mutual love.

This interior division is expressed by the tendency to leave to himself and to abandon, so to speak, the very Vicar of Jesus, the Pope, who is a son particularly loved and enlightened by me."[BV Mary talks about JPII?] = Destruction of Unity among clergy and laity.

And: "
Walk the road of love. Make place within you for the Spirit of Love which is bringing you, in life, to be more and more united.
Love one another as Jesus has loved you, and you will become truly one. Unity is the perfection of love.
And so Jesus has desired that his Church be one, to make of her the sacrament of God’s love for men." No doubt we all are not in the best condition, it seems that Heaven expects something else - a perfect love i.e. unity.
Ultraviolet
@JoshDalf The White "The Church can choose when to install something and promote it." That's true, Josh. And in this case, The Church has not done so. Quite the opposite in fact.

"And I can choose when to defend something, like private revelation, publicly."

...and in this case when you do so, you contradict the official position of The Catholic Church, meaning what you are defending here is …More
@JoshDalf The White "The Church can choose when to install something and promote it." That's true, Josh. And in this case, The Church has not done so. Quite the opposite in fact.

"And I can choose when to defend something, like private revelation, publicly."

...and in this case when you do so, you contradict the official position of The Catholic Church, meaning what you are defending here is error.

Given that user name, I'm not surprised you're susceptible to Faustina's Fantasies. When it comes to the authenticity of revelations, I recognize Rome as the arbiter, not Rivendell. ;-)
JoshDalf The White
I did not contradict Church teaching, it’s been removed from the index by decree “pushed by the very Cardinal who initially opposed it*”. The Church has even instituted the Feast of Divine Mercy. She’s also now a Saint(one can be holy and not have legitimate private revelations, I’m simply showing the Church’s actions) .Unless you care to supply me with a Church teaching that says I can’t defend …More
I did not contradict Church teaching, it’s been removed from the index by decree “pushed by the very Cardinal who initially opposed it*”. The Church has even instituted the Feast of Divine Mercy. She’s also now a Saint(one can be holy and not have legitimate private revelations, I’m simply showing the Church’s actions) .Unless you care to supply me with a Church teaching that says I can’t defend a private devotion in good standing; which I know doesn’t exist, I can defend it.

If ever you want to spend the time to read what I posted, and actually consider it, it’s there. If you have no desire to, and rather bury your head in the ground and make wise cracks, I see no point in our further discussion.

Too bad that head of yours isn’t in a hobbit hole, because that would mean comfort, and not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with worms and an oozy smell! (Had to quote/reference middle earth back at you, so don’t take this for anymore than it’s intended lol)

* unamsanctamcatholicam.com/…7-defense-of-the-divine-mercy-devotion-part-3.html
JoshDalf The White
@andrew24157 I’m sorry, I really don’t know much anything about Fr. Gobbi to really be able to comment on it, other than acknowledging that there’s plenty of division around.
The New Knights Templar
@CatholicDoors The blind will always be blind because they are not open to the Holy Spirit's incoming truth. I think you need to remember that we are all blind in one way or another, including you.
Ultraviolet
"I did not contradict Church teaching," (emhasis, mine) and I didn't claim you did @JoshDalf The White I wrote, "you contradict the official position of The Catholic Church." (referring to your defense of this private revelation) Aren't Tolkien buffs supposed to be schoarly and literate? ;-) Sainthood is not a guarantee of infallibility. Fallacious Appeal to Authority, there.

"Unless you …More
"I did not contradict Church teaching," (emhasis, mine) and I didn't claim you did @JoshDalf The White I wrote, "you contradict the official position of The Catholic Church." (referring to your defense of this private revelation) Aren't Tolkien buffs supposed to be schoarly and literate? ;-) Sainthood is not a guarantee of infallibility. Fallacious Appeal to Authority, there.

"Unless you care to supply me with a Church teaching that says I can’t defend a private devotion in good standing..."; (also my emphasis) --except it isn't in good standing at all.

From above: "Pius XII placed the Divine Mercy Devotion, including the writings of Sr. Faustina on the Index of Prohibited Books. John XXIII confirmed this prohibition twice. In November 1958, the Holy Office stated that there is no evidence of a supernatural origin of Kowalska’s revelations."

So this private revelation isn't "good standing" and neither is the source of it. That's the worst part. When a nun claims Jesus Christ Himself appeared to her, and The Church contradicts her, then she wasn't getting her "private revelations" from Him.

So where did she get them? Two likely sources 1.) self-delusion and 2.) the infernal.

"If ever you want to spend the time to read what I posted, and actually consider it, it’s there." I did and I did, but it does not follow that consideration always leads to agreement.

I've come to realize that many readers find "wise cracks" more to the point than a long, dry text-wall of theology contrasting a private revelation against Church teaching. In this case, it isn't even necessary, since The Church has ruled no less than three times.

No worries on the snarky Tolkien reference, either. I started it and I don't complain when I get what I give. ;-)
JoshDalf The White
@Ultraviolet teaching, position; potato, potayto. Talk about stretching a comment to try and recover.

You claim to have read what I posted, yet you continually ignore the current decree of The Church, you know, the very first thing in my post? You’re pulling at straws, which I’d expect from someone with no argument. Certainly, you’re no fan of Tolkien, as no true Tolkien fan would blindly …More
@Ultraviolet teaching, position; potato, potayto. Talk about stretching a comment to try and recover.

You claim to have read what I posted, yet you continually ignore the current decree of The Church, you know, the very first thing in my post? You’re pulling at straws, which I’d expect from someone with no argument. Certainly, you’re no fan of Tolkien, as no true Tolkien fan would blindly attack someone’s position.

Clearly The Church has changed its opinion on the matter of whether it’s supernatural(the decree overriding it’s past decrees, the institution of DM Sunday, it’s endorsement of the chaplet and the image and the declaring of the Saint) and it even gave the reasons why:

“This Sacred Congregation, having now in possession the many original documents unknown in 1959, and having taken into account the profoundly changed circumstances, and having taken into account the opinion of many Polish Ordinaries, declares no longer binding the prohibitions contained in the Notification [of 1959]. [Emphasis mine]” Dr Stackpole’s emphasis " -
marian.org/…s/How-One-Divine-Mercy-Critic-Misses-the-Mark-4194

I posted it here so you would read it. I even boldened some for you.

Many people like wise cracks over actual reasoning because they’re lazy: and disinterested in actual thought; which I admit is hard to accomplish with a head in a (non-hobbit) hole.

We’re clearly done here, you don’t want actual discussion, as your defense of ‘wise cracking’ clearly illustrates. I’ll try to remember to mention you in my Divine Mercy chaplets, which I say in complete accord with The Church, rather than random one-sided info I find in a 4 minute video!

Sincerely,

Joshdalf
Ultraviolet
Correcting a comment isn't stretching it, @JoshDalf The White. You'd do yourself a lot more credit if you simply acknowedged your error and moved on.

"You claim to have read what I posted, yet you continually ignore the current decree of The Church, you know, the very first thing in my post?" ...because it's irrelevant to The Church's repeated condemnation of St. Faustina's writings and its …More
Correcting a comment isn't stretching it, @JoshDalf The White. You'd do yourself a lot more credit if you simply acknowedged your error and moved on.

"You claim to have read what I posted, yet you continually ignore the current decree of The Church, you know, the very first thing in my post?" ...because it's irrelevant to The Church's repeated condemnation of St. Faustina's writings and its repudiation of her supposed visions.

"Certainly, you’re no fan of Tolkien, as no true Tolkien fan would blindly attack someone’s position."

Implying I've done so, absent proof, and capping it off with a lovely fallacy. ...and, in case you were wondering,the fallacy icon isn't Smaug. :D
JoshDalf The White
Further reading for those interested:

lepantoin.org/in-defense-of-the-divine-mercy-devotion/

They claim that Pius XII refused to condemn The Divine Mercy devotion.

Also taken from here is that she predicted both herself and her spiritual director would be dead before the work would be un-suppressed, which is now in the main post. And that suppression is not the same as condemnation.

“ With …More
Further reading for those interested:

lepantoin.org/in-defense-of-the-divine-mercy-devotion/

They claim that Pius XII refused to condemn The Divine Mercy devotion.

Also taken from here is that she predicted both herself and her spiritual director would be dead before the work would be un-suppressed, which is now in the main post. And that suppression is not the same as condemnation.

“ With regard to the claims of papal condemnations of the Divine Mercy devotion, it is intellectually dishonest for Msgr. Perez to equivocate suppression with condemnation and then focus exclusively on the suppression of the Divine Mercy devotion while ignoring the Church’s lifting of the suppression and institution of Divine Mercy Sunday. “
Ultraviolet
"And that suppression is not the same as condemnation." and THIS from the chap who wrote "teaching, position; potato, potayto. Talk about stretching a comment to try and recover." :D In this instance, the later is implicit in the former. Conversely, The Church doesn't suppress writings of which it approves. ;-)
Ultraviolet
"Also taken from here is that she predicted both herself and her spiritual director would be dead before the work would be un-suppressed."

That's a standard self-fulfilling prophecy tactic we seers use to bolster our credibility. I say "we" and "our" because I'm GTV's Self-Appointed Official Seer and, to date, every single one of my formal predictions (in bold) has come true. I offer a one-year…More
"Also taken from here is that she predicted both herself and her spiritual director would be dead before the work would be un-suppressed."

That's a standard self-fulfilling prophecy tactic we seers use to bolster our credibility. I say "we" and "our" because I'm GTV's Self-Appointed Official Seer and, to date, every single one of my formal predictions (in bold) has come true. I offer a one-year ban on my account as collateral against ALL my formal predictions. Self-fulfilling prophecies are easy. You're in MA, just one state below me, so you can be my witness for this one. As GTV's Self-Appointed Official Seer, I formally predict New England will see at least three days of rain before December.. When that prediction comes true, I have every confidence you'll accept all my other mystical malarkey as well. ;-) ---and it wil be my mystical malarkey because, unlike Sr. Faustina, I won't blaspheme against Christ by attributing it to Him.
JoshDalf The White
@Ultraviolet this is the last time I’m responding to you here. As a matter of fact, I was just coming here to add to the comment that it was sincerely not aimed at you, and that’s the truth. I could see that you might take it as such so I was coming back to let you know. I simply found this, and wanted to share it. I did not, and still do not, feel that I ‘lost’ or needed to recover that …More
@Ultraviolet this is the last time I’m responding to you here. As a matter of fact, I was just coming here to add to the comment that it was sincerely not aimed at you, and that’s the truth. I could see that you might take it as such so I was coming back to let you know. I simply found this, and wanted to share it. I did not, and still do not, feel that I ‘lost’ or needed to recover that exchange, to be completely honest. Whereas you were right that I said ‘teaching’ rather than ‘position’ it wasn’t hard to see what I meant as I continued to address you.

If you think all of her fulfilled prophecies (Of which there’s more) aren’t impressive, fine. I stated before no one has to believe it. I’ll just point out that if they didn’t come true you’d claim that disproved them, while now that they’ve happened you claim it’s not impressive. Obviously The Church doesn’t fully approve what it suppresses, but there is a difference between suppression and condemnation(suppression can come in the form of caution). It’s also true that w/e you want to call it, it’s been reversed, and The Church certainly doesn’t condemn what it doesn’t suppress.

I’m not impressed by your arguments; all that’s needed for them is some sunlight. But that’s to be expected of trolls. (joke drum sounds)

Sincerely,
Joshdalf
123jussi
The BVM of Fatima said "only I can help you" and yes she knows all about Christ ,apparently she didn't consult little Faustus.
atreverse pensar
A false aparition
Kevin
@CatholicDoors I made a similar point below - in that Divine Mercy and Medjugorje are replacing the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart devotions, in the minds and hearts of many. I have seen this first hand. There is a local novus ordo chapel belonging to a religious congregation. I don't attend it but do see its literature from time to time. Nothing about Paray-le-Monial or Fatima, but they …More
@CatholicDoors I made a similar point below - in that Divine Mercy and Medjugorje are replacing the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart devotions, in the minds and hearts of many. I have seen this first hand. There is a local novus ordo chapel belonging to a religious congregation. I don't attend it but do see its literature from time to time. Nothing about Paray-le-Monial or Fatima, but they have taken up Divine Mercy and Medjugorje - particularly Divine Mercy - with great enthusiasm.
CatholicDoors
I always said Sr. Faustina and her alleged Divine Mercy messages are not of God. They are intended to destroy the devotion of the Sacred Heart of Jesus alongside Medjugorje that is intended on destroying the devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Satan deceives and unfortunately many Catholic have fallen away from the truth, the tradition, embracing Vatican II, the Novus Ordo scandals, the …More
I always said Sr. Faustina and her alleged Divine Mercy messages are not of God. They are intended to destroy the devotion of the Sacred Heart of Jesus alongside Medjugorje that is intended on destroying the devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Satan deceives and unfortunately many Catholic have fallen away from the truth, the tradition, embracing Vatican II, the Novus Ordo scandals, the new Universal church which is the protestantization of the Roman Catholic Church by the freemason clergy.
Kevin
@andrew24157 You said "Divine Mercy Chaplet is absolutely true". The Gloria TV article was discussing the whole Divine Mercy devotion phenomenon - not just the chaplet, so that is an irrelevant point and no argument in defence of these alleged apparitions. And it is unwise to name unapproved, alleged 'visionaries' - such as the ones you name, in order to make a case for whether Divine Mercy …More
@andrew24157 You said "Divine Mercy Chaplet is absolutely true". The Gloria TV article was discussing the whole Divine Mercy devotion phenomenon - not just the chaplet, so that is an irrelevant point and no argument in defence of these alleged apparitions. And it is unwise to name unapproved, alleged 'visionaries' - such as the ones you name, in order to make a case for whether Divine Mercy is genuine or not. I seem to recall there was a recent case of another one calling herself 'Maria Divine Mercy' who has now been exposed as false and condemned by the Church dublindiocese.ie/statement-on-maria-divine-mercy/
atreverse pensar
You're right
andrew24157
It took what, about 80 years before the the Devotion Sacred Heart was approved. The Divine Mercy belongs to the same category - it is approved but despised by some of the TLM Catholics. As to the visionaries /Fr Gobbi with Marian Movement of Priests belongs to the same category/ they talk constantly about Sacred and Immaculate Hearts, receive consecrations to Hearts, etc. I have no problem with …More
It took what, about 80 years before the the Devotion Sacred Heart was approved. The Divine Mercy belongs to the same category - it is approved but despised by some of the TLM Catholics. As to the visionaries /Fr Gobbi with Marian Movement of Priests belongs to the same category/ they talk constantly about Sacred and Immaculate Hearts, receive consecrations to Hearts, etc. I have no problem with both Devotions as do many others. These three visionaries are approved on the local level /by the bishops/ Vatican will never approve them, they are much more revolutionary than Gloria TV and there is not enough time. Besides, there are ways of discernment, many indeed, stigmata, and most of all just common sense - the demons cannot do certain things. You might be missing your boat. We are not to judge the pope however tempting it is but to pray for him, even if he is on the other side, or may be not even a pope - as Lord Jesus said: "Pray for Me" /i.e. Vicar of Christ/. A quote from St Catherine of Siena: "“Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: 'They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!' But God has commanded that, even if the priests, the pastors, and Christ-on-earth were incarnate devils, we be obedient and subject to them, not for their sakes, but for the sake of God, and out of obedience to Him.”

St. Catherine of Siena, SCS, p. 201-202, p. 222, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 5: “The Book of Obedience”, Chapter 1: “There is No Salvation Without Personal Submission to the Pope”).
andrew24157
Divine Mercy Chaplet is absolutely true. I did the same mistake in the past when I did not believe in Divine Mercy Chaplet. Check any of the new visionaries such as Enoch, Luz de Maria, Giselle Cardia, etc. to see how fundamental is this devotion. Beside that, maybe the painter was cheap and did not have a chance to correct the painting because of disease and relocation of St Faustina, etc., etc.
andrew24157
It might be a surprise for some that love consists both of Eros and Agape:

You write: "On October 2, 1936, Faustina stated that the “Lord Jesus” appeared to her saying that – quote – “I am uniting Myself with you so intimately as with no other creature.” Wait a minute, Our Lord united Himself more intimately with Sr. Faustina than with any other creature?"
Two answers: 1 - "St Catherine of Sien…More
It might be a surprise for some that love consists both of Eros and Agape:

You write: "On October 2, 1936, Faustina stated that the “Lord Jesus” appeared to her saying that – quote – “I am uniting Myself with you so intimately as with no other creature.” Wait a minute, Our Lord united Himself more intimately with Sr. Faustina than with any other creature?"
Two answers: 1 - "St Catherine of Siena recounts a vision of union with Christ. As Catherine tells it, Jesus appeared to her and declared his intention to make her his mystical bride. Now, lots of women mystics in the Middle Ages had such visions. But only Catherine’s mystical marriage included a wedding ring from Christ, made of his own flesh: the foreskin from his circumcision."

Taken from: dailytheology.org/…ne-of-siena-and-the-scandal-of-simplifying-saints/

2 - From Benedict's XVI "God is Love" quote about two types of love:
"
Reclaiming Erotic Love Through Divine Love

In order to restore erotic love’s true grandeur, we must experience the purification of eros by agape. As this happens — that is, as we allow erotic love to be informed and transformed by divine love — eros is able “to provide not just fleeting pleasure, but a certain foretaste of the pinnacle of our existence, of that beatitude for which our whole being yearns,” Benedict states. What joy! Sexual love in God’s plan is so glorious that it is meant to provide a small foretaste of the eternal joys that await us in heaven. But beware the counterfeits. “An intoxicated and undisciplined eros,” as the Holy Father observes, “is not an ascent in ‘ecstasy’ towards the Divine, but a fall, a degradation of man.”

A quote from: catholiccounselors.com/…ros-and-agape-a-look-at-benedict-xvis-god-is-love/
rhemes1582
Thanks for that informative 4 minutes.
Long Live Christ The King.
Kevin
An author M M Anthony has written two books on this contentious issue:- amazon.co.uk/…nanswered-Questions-ebook/dp/B073DX8NX1/ref=sr_1_2

and

amazon.co.uk/…er-Approach-Getting-ebook/dp/B07PQLBD9S/ref=sr_1_2

I've long suspected that this devotion only escaped further censure because of the Polish connection with Pope John Paul II who rehabilitated it. I find it very man-centered - '…More
An author M M Anthony has written two books on this contentious issue:- amazon.co.uk/…nanswered-Questions-ebook/dp/B073DX8NX1/ref=sr_1_2

and

amazon.co.uk/…er-Approach-Getting-ebook/dp/B07PQLBD9S/ref=sr_1_2

I've long suspected that this devotion only escaped further censure because of the Polish connection with Pope John Paul II who rehabilitated it. I find it very man-centered - 'Have mercy on US' - as opposed to the God-centered Sacred Heart devotion, where we make reparation to HIM. The Sacred Heart visionary, St Margaret Mary Alacoque said: ”I understood that devotion to the Sacred Heart is a last effort of His love towards Christians of these latter times, by proposing to them an object and means so calculated to persuade them to love Him… This devotion was the last effort of His love that He would grant to men in these latter ages, in order to withdraw them from the empire of Satan which Jesus desired to destroy, and thus to introduce them to the sweet liberty of the rule of His love, which He wished to restore in the hearts of all those who should embrace this devotion.” (St. Margaret Mary Alacoque, vision of the Sacred Heart, 1673). If this was Our Lord's 'last effort' where does the Divine Mercy devotion fit in, all those years later?

I think it safer to stick with the Sacred Heart devotion. The definitive book on the Sacred Heart devotion can be found here:- tanbooks.com/…f-jesus-how-to-practice-the-sacred-heart-devotion/

The cover states that this book “is not ‘just another book on the Sacred Heart devotion’, but it can be truly said to be THE book on this devotion. Written by the spiritual director of St Margaret Mary, the book comes from the pen of a man intimately familiar with every aspect of the revelations given by Our Lord to this famous saint; thus the book is actually the ‘key’ to understanding the importance and the centrality of the Sacred Heart devotion for our lives as true Catholics. But even more than being THE book on the Sacred Heart devotion, Fr Croiset’s work is a revelation to us all just why so few people become great saints, just why so few Catholics – despite going frequently to the Sacraments – fail really to grow in the life of grace and make great progress in the spiritual order. ‘Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus’ was actually commissioned by Our Lord Himself through St Margaret Mary, and as the author neared completion of it, the Saint told him that Our Lord said it was so completely in accord with His wishes, that it would never be necessary to make any change in it. Later she revealed to Fr Croiset that it was Our Lord Himself who had inspired him with the ideas in this book and that it was so pleasing to Him that ‘none other but Himself could have arranged everything so much to His wishes . . . ”
123jussi
The original picture had NO marks. This fraud was designed by the demonic to take away from devotion to the Sacred Heart and it has been very successful unfortunately. Read the diary there is more nonsense there than you hear here!
Kevin
@123jussi. Yes, it seems that many want the Divine Mercy devotion and Medjugorje, but few want the Sacred Heart devotion and Fatima.