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BREAKING: Pope Benedict XVI: “I have not abdicated”!

In today’s Libero: AUTHORIZED ENGLISH TRANSLATION BY FROMROME.INFO Cliccare l’immagine per il testo originale italiano. Ratzinger’s unequivo…
Ultraviolet
Lots of pointless bolding doesn't change the mistake of comparing apples with oranges. A Pope is not a king. The Pope was elected, the king received his office as "an inheritance from his ancestors." Kings traditionally abdicate, Popes resign. This is clearly noted in Canon Law 332.2 which states: " If it happens that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office,..."

Agreeing to withdraw from "…More
Lots of pointless bolding doesn't change the mistake of comparing apples with oranges. A Pope is not a king. The Pope was elected, the king received his office as "an inheritance from his ancestors." Kings traditionally abdicate, Popes resign. This is clearly noted in Canon Law 332.2 which states: " If it happens that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office,..."

Agreeing to withdraw from "active exercise of power" does not mean agreeing to give up the title, either. Benedict did give up the title of Pope, along with the office itself. He has clearly stated he wishes to be called "Father Benedict" so there is no confusion between himself and the “true Pope” (Benedict's choice of words).

"Hey, wait a minute, what does the Declaratio of Pope Benedict XVI really mean?" If you can't read Latin, click the "EN" button above. :D It means Benedict XVI did not use the word "abdicate" so much as once in his formal resignation letter which you linked.
Then why is the Pope always described as an absolute monarch?
Ultraviolet
He's described by eight official titles and "absolute monarch" is not among them. So clearly "absolute monarch" is not always used in describing the Pope at all. Not all monarchs are kings, either Re-read Canon Law, bro. I linked it up for dudes like you, not that The Church's own laws will have any effect on your opinion. Benedict's fan-boys have been on their own little "Synodal Path" …More
He's described by eight official titles and "absolute monarch" is not among them. So clearly "absolute monarch" is not always used in describing the Pope at all. Not all monarchs are kings, either Re-read Canon Law, bro. I linked it up for dudes like you, not that The Church's own laws will have any effect on your opinion. Benedict's fan-boys have been on their own little "Synodal Path" now for seven years. :D
Caroline03
Vatican City is known as a " Monarchical-Sacerdotal state. " The Pope is called an "Absolute Monarch" It is evidently known as a Sacerdotal Monarchy because It is ruled over by a "Priest King." (A title also possessed by Christ) Bishops are known to be the "Princes of the Church" - So this is clearly the Kingdom of Christ. wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Vatican_City
Ultraviolet
The quoted term "Absolute Monarch" does not appear on the wikipedia page cited. Neither does the quoted title "Priest King" Bogus wiki quotes are bogus. It's true the Pope is called an "Absolute Monarch" because you have just done so. I'm certain throughout history the Pope has been called many things by,say, the Lutherans, not all of them so flattering. I trust you see my point. ;-)
Ultraviolet
One of the big problems with so-called "Brother" Bugnolo is his willingness to ignore material when it contradicts him. His site doesn't provide a full translation of the original statement or its full context. The article builds an entire argument around one sentence. so Benedict's context is, very conveniently, omitted. Given Bugnolo's agenda (and fanatic Benedict fan-boy Marco Tosatti), …More
One of the big problems with so-called "Brother" Bugnolo is his willingness to ignore material when it contradicts him. His site doesn't provide a full translation of the original statement or its full context. The article builds an entire argument around one sentence. so Benedict's context is, very conveniently, omitted. Given Bugnolo's agenda (and fanatic Benedict fan-boy Marco Tosatti), that's entirely unsurprising. Father Benedict may have indeed said "I resigned, but I did not abdicate" in the context of correcting the exact mistake people are making here.

Heck, I'm agreeing with Benedict.But Bugnolo is trying to convince readers that Benedict meant something very different, ...something contrary to every public statement Benedict has ever made about his resignation, including his recent interview from 1 March of this year. He stated "The Pope is only one." He also categorically repudiated just about every conspiracy theory about his resignation that people like Bugnolo and Barnhardt insist on promoting...

"“It was a difficult decision. But I took it in full consciousness, and I think I did well. Some of my slightly "fanatical" friends are still angry, they did not want to accept my choice. I think of the conspiracy theories that followed it: who said it was the fault of the Vatileaks scandal, some of a conspiracy by the gay lobby, some of the case of the conservative Lefebvrian theologian Richard Williamson. They don't want to believe in a conscious choice. But my conscience is fine."

"The Pope is only one"
. These are Benedict's own words. So who is the Pope? Benedict names him in the same interview. "Some men of the Vatican Gendarmerie and the Swiss Guards are already there to organize all possible protective measures around Pope Francis."

Here is the original Italian sentence untranslated "Alcuni uomini della Gendarmeria vaticana e delle guardie svizzere sono già lì per organizzare tutte le possibili misure di protezione intorno a papa Francesco."

Does anybody here need help translating "papa Francesco" the term Benedict himself used? Do they? C'mon kids, raise your hands if you do! :D

I've caught "Brother" Bugnolo pulling these kinds of shenanigans in the past. He doesn't post or comment on GTV anymore for a reason. His claims and spurious quotes can't stand fact-checking scrutiny. ;-)
Live Mike
His Majesty, Blessed Karl I, Emperor of Austria and Apostolic King of Hungary refused to abdicate the throne that was a gift from God and an inheritance from his ancestors. Nevertheless, on November 11, 1918, he agreed to withdraw from the active exercise of power and to recognize the form of state which Austrians might choose in a national plebiscite. (A similar declaration was issued for …More
His Majesty, Blessed Karl I, Emperor of Austria and Apostolic King of Hungary refused to abdicate the throne that was a gift from God and an inheritance from his ancestors. Nevertheless, on November 11, 1918, he agreed to withdraw from the active exercise of power and to recognize the form of state which Austrians might choose in a national plebiscite. (A similar declaration was issued for Hungary on November 13.) catholicism.org/karl-hapsburg.html Hey, wait a minute, what does the Declaratio of Pope Benedict XVI really mean? vatican.va/…/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20130211_declaratio.html
Ultraviolet
None of you three are qualified to charge, try, or convict anyone of heresy. You idiots making accusations don't make them true. If it came to an actual trial for whatever "charges" you brought, I could walk over all three of you pin-head "prosecutors" without breaking a sweat.
123jussi
You don't have to charge ,try or convict anyone to comment on the obvious. We cannot invoke sanctions but you can always provide fraternal correction ,even if stated harshly. We are not prosecutors but honest observers !
Ultraviolet
None of these morons are providing fraternal correction to Francis. Observers watch. Prosecutors make charges, which heresy is in The Church.
Tony Smith
That is correct. Benedict XVI was a conservative heretic. Pope Francis is a progressive modernist. I find Pope Francis more consistent with his modernist ideals.
123jussi
A conservative heretic? That is akin to a round square!
Defeat Modernism
Does it matter? He and Francis are both heretics. Worthless, faithless men who have destroyed innumerable souls!
Ultraviolet
He didn't abdicate. He resigned.
123jussi
Yes he did and he has said so himself so enough of this. Ghosting all the bad popes will not bring us good Shepard's . We have to go back to truly loving God!
What is the difference between abdicating and resigning?
Ultraviolet
There are several differences. The one relevant here is that Canon Law has a provision if a Pope resigns his office. Therefore, The Church sees the Papacy as something to be resigned from and not abdicated from.
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Hat Papst Benedikt XVI wirklich jemals seinen Rücktritt erklärt?