Papa locuto - Roma finita: Francis Declares War On the Church
Francis’ accompanying letter to his ANTI-Summorum Pontificum Motu Proprio Traditionis Custodes is not only mocking Benedict XVI and the Catholics but aims at eliminating the Roman Rite which is hated …More
Francis’ accompanying letter to his ANTI-Summorum Pontificum Motu Proprio Traditionis Custodes is not only mocking Benedict XVI and the Catholics but aims at eliminating the Roman Rite which is hated by the heretics.
Repeatedly and rigidly, Francis declares in the accompanying letter that he “suspends” and “revokes the faculty granted by my Predecessors” to celebrate the Roman Mass.
He who keeps encouraging divisions that injure the Church, blames Latin Mass Catholics of trying to “widen the gaps, reinforce the divergences, and encourage disagreements that injure the Church, block her path, and expose her to the peril of division.”
Sarcastically, Francis alleges that those who want the Roman Mass can find it in the Novus Ordo. “Whoever wishes to celebrate with devotion according to earlier forms of the liturgy can find in the reformed Roman Missal according to Vatican Council II all the elements of the Roman Rite, in particular the Roman Canon which constitutes one of its more distinctive …More
Repeatedly and rigidly, Francis declares in the accompanying letter that he “suspends” and “revokes the faculty granted by my Predecessors” to celebrate the Roman Mass.
He who keeps encouraging divisions that injure the Church, blames Latin Mass Catholics of trying to “widen the gaps, reinforce the divergences, and encourage disagreements that injure the Church, block her path, and expose her to the peril of division.”
Sarcastically, Francis alleges that those who want the Roman Mass can find it in the Novus Ordo. “Whoever wishes to celebrate with devotion according to earlier forms of the liturgy can find in the reformed Roman Missal according to Vatican Council II all the elements of the Roman Rite, in particular the Roman Canon which constitutes one of its more distinctive …More
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The fact that many Catholics who attend the TLM claim that the Novus Ordo is invalid, has prompted the pope to clamp down..
With that reasoning, the new Mass should be abrogated as well.
Apparently there are many people who attend the new Mass but don't believe in the Real Presence, and they advocate for women "priests," same-sex "marriage," et cetera. Example: Germany.
Should their Mass be "clamped down too," or do they get to keep their errors along with their Mass?
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With that reasoning, the new Mass should be abrogated as well.
Apparently there are many people who attend the new Mass but don't believe in the Real Presence, and they advocate for women "priests," same-sex "marriage," et cetera. Example: Germany.
Should their Mass be "clamped down too," or do they get to keep their errors along with their Mass?
If thousands of Catholics can believe in uncatholic things such as women priests and yet still maintain possession of their Mass, why can't Catholics who don't believe in the validity of the new Mass (however wrong their opinion may be) maintain possession of their old Mass?
Apparently there are many people who attend the new Mass but don't believe in the Real Presence, and they advocate for women "priests," same-sex "marriage," et cetera. Example: Germany.
Should their Mass be "clamped down too," or do they get to keep their errors along with their Mass?
If thousands of Catholics can believe in uncatholic things such as women priests and yet still maintain possession of their Mass, why can't Catholics who don't believe in the validity of the new Mass (however wrong their opinion may be) maintain possession of their old Mass?
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That there are unfaithful Catholics both on the left and on the right is besides the point. Catholics who teach things such as women priests or deny the Real Presence, are bad Catholics, just as Catholics who deny the authority of the pope and Church Councils are also bad Catholics. And those who slander the pope are directly doing the work of the great accuser, Satan.
GJA Taylor
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We have a very bad pope, pray for his conversion.
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There is much which is bogus about Bergoglio's 'faith'.
Although the pope is a heretic you are correct that this is not schism ,it is just stupid and mean spirited but as Fr Z points out it does draw the lines more clearly and that is a good thing. The novus ordo will innovate itself out of existence.
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If the pope is a heretic then there is no such thing as papal infallibility. In reality, what people must beware of is the media spin and all the talking heads who twist the words of the pope with the same skill some people twist the Scriptures.
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Dit is het zoveelste bewijs dat Paus Franciscus door een staatsgreep aan de macht is gekomen. Paus Franciscus is daardoor een onrechtmatige Paus en dit is een onrechtmatig besluit. Geen enkele Paus zou een schisma uitroepen in de Rooms Katholieke kerk. Dit is een regelrecht schisma in de Rooms Katholieke kerk, uitgeroepen door een Paus die niet wettig is gekozen. Paus Franciscus en alle modernistische …More
Dit is het zoveelste bewijs dat Paus Franciscus door een staatsgreep aan de macht is gekomen. Paus Franciscus is daardoor een onrechtmatige Paus en dit is een onrechtmatig besluit. Geen enkele Paus zou een schisma uitroepen in de Rooms Katholieke kerk. Dit is een regelrecht schisma in de Rooms Katholieke kerk, uitgeroepen door een Paus die niet wettig is gekozen. Paus Franciscus en alle modernistische kardinalen en bisschoppen die hem gesteund hebben bij dit besluit zullen afgezet, ontslagen, verjaagd en vervolgd moeten worden.
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This isn't schism nor is the Pope a "heretic" by Church standards @Carly Monteleone Likewise this document doesn't abolish the Latin Mass, mainly the formerly nominal independence of priests to say it which previously hadn't existed under Vatican Council II already
You're also forgetting that for the first two years of Benedict XVI's Papacy there wasn't any "Summorum Pontificum", meaning things …More
This isn't schism nor is the Pope a "heretic" by Church standards @Carly Monteleone Likewise this document doesn't abolish the Latin Mass, mainly the formerly nominal independence of priests to say it which previously hadn't existed under Vatican Council II already
You're also forgetting that for the first two years of Benedict XVI's Papacy there wasn't any "Summorum Pontificum", meaning things were essentially no different then than they are (sadly again) now.
In practice, nothing is going to change. Savvy bishops will continue to "tolerate" and even promote the TLM because it's a sure-fire parish money-maker. Devout bishops will also promote it, earning favor in the next life while reaping the financial windfall in this one.
Benedict has acknowledged Francis as Pope enough times by now only the most deliberately deluded "Benedict Buddy" refuses to accept that fact.
He also expressly said, "there is no diarchy" which means, Little Miss Anne Barnhardt, Benedict himself disagrees with you.
He didn't "try to bifurcate the papacy." Now quit foaming at the mouth and stop talking nonsense, either about Francis or Benedict.
You're also forgetting that for the first two years of Benedict XVI's Papacy there wasn't any "Summorum Pontificum", meaning things were essentially no different then than they are (sadly again) now.
In practice, nothing is going to change. Savvy bishops will continue to "tolerate" and even promote the TLM because it's a sure-fire parish money-maker. Devout bishops will also promote it, earning favor in the next life while reaping the financial windfall in this one.
Benedict has acknowledged Francis as Pope enough times by now only the most deliberately deluded "Benedict Buddy" refuses to accept that fact.
He also expressly said, "there is no diarchy" which means, Little Miss Anne Barnhardt, Benedict himself disagrees with you.
He didn't "try to bifurcate the papacy." Now quit foaming at the mouth and stop talking nonsense, either about Francis or Benedict.
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He's been there since he was a young hippie priest buying into Left Wing Liberation Theology. ;-)
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The Holy Scriptures do say (I paraphrase) that we can tell what type of a person is by their 'fruits'. A bad tree can not produce good fruit, nor a good tree produce rotten fruit; although unless to deceive. In due season the True fruits will be ripe and visible and the useless rotten fruit thrown away.
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Meaning ? Saint Pope John XXIII XVI bad because Vatican II was one of his fruits? Was Cardinal Ratzinger bad because he applied his considerable intellect in advancing and "growing" Vatican Council II with the fruti that followed? Was Saint Pope John Paul II bad because the sex abuse scandal was one of his fruits after he ignored the rot and didn't bother to prune away the infected banches?
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Meaning ? Saint Pope John XXIII XVI bad because Vatican II was one of his fruits? Was Cardinal Ratzinger bad because he applied his considerable intellect in advancing and "growing" Vatican Council II with the fruti that followed? Was Saint Pope John Paul II bad because the sex abuse scandal was one of his fruits after he ignored the rot and didn't bother to prune away the infected banches?
Scriptural metaphors are dangerous things, my man. ;-)
Scriptural metaphors are dangerous things, my man. ;-)
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Yes, very dangerous for those who don't know how to interpret them.
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The time will eventually arrive when we know who the false prophet is and it may not be Pope Francis; not yet any how. Is he a heretic? Well its not for me to judge but to warn when anything is not in line with the True Magisterium of the Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Roncalli by his rashness and folly made the destruction possible.
The other two were architects of the destruction, and promoted it further.
Manky Franky is merely continuing their evil work.More
Roncalli by his rashness and folly made the destruction possible.
The other two were architects of the destruction, and promoted it further.
Manky Franky is merely continuing their evil work.
The other two were architects of the destruction, and promoted it further.
Manky Franky is merely continuing their evil work.
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Yet, Pope Francis still may be a false prophet and he may not, we have to wait for further developments before we decide.
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The irony of seeing a quote praising "what earlier generations held as sacred" from one of the theological architects of Vatican Council II
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The Novus Ordo is garbage and that's why Francis loves it.
There is finally now going to be a physical separation where before there was a commingling of those with different beliefs. With the new separation of physical space it will be the novus ordo that withers not the Catholic faithful. The pope will surely believe even more in the " God of suprizes".
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The war had to be fought 50 years ago, with the imposition of the Novus Ordo. Many more priests should have opposed it. But it always has to be done. Today there is an opportunity to see it.
Something similar, at the secular level, is happening with the covid measures. People should not obey. But they don't. And we see the result.
Something similar, at the secular level, is happening with the covid measures. People should not obey. But they don't. And we see the result.