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St. John Paul II imitated St. Paul the Apostle

When St. Paul Apostle he arrives at the Areopagus delivered himself of a justly celebrated speech. In accord with the old rhetorical device of captatio benevolentiae (capturing the goodwill of one’s audience), compliments the Athenians on their spirituality:

So Paul stood before the whole council of the Areopagus and made this speech: 'Men of Athens, I have seen for myself how extremely scrupulous you are in all religious imatter, because, as I strolled round looking at your sacred monuments, I noticed among other things an altar inscribed: To An Unknown God (Acts of Apostles 17, 22-23; www.catholic.org/bible/book.php)

Saint John Paul II did the same (captatio benevolentiae). There is no internal act of idolatry when it is not conscious and intentional.

St. Paul quoted a pagan hymn of Kleantes (pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleantes)to Zeus (Acts 17:28; look at the comment: biblia.deon.pl/rozdzial.php) because pagans cannot be evangelized by insulting them (it has the opposite effect).

... since it is in him that we live, and move, and exist, as indeed some of your own writers have said: We are all his children (Acts of Apostles 17, 28; www.catholic.org/bible/book.php).

We are all his children - This is the text from the hymn of Kleantes to Zeus and from the poem of Aratos of Soloi in Cilicia (look at the comment: biblia.deon.pl/rozdzial.php)

Saint John Paul II did the same (captatio benevolentiae). There is no internal act of idolatry when it is not conscious and intentional.

It is completely different to introduce an image of an idol (Pachamama) to the temple and take part in a pagan ceremony - this is idolatry.

Captatio benevolentiae - from Latin: winning favor, winning friendliness (rhetoric used since ancient times).

It is also worth reading:

Pius X claimed that muslims believe in the true God (similar to Pius XI and Pius XII)

The graphics come from the web sit: biblia.wiara.pl/doc/422638.Sw-Pawel…
mattsixteen24
@W obronie Tradycji Kościoła What counterfeit bible are you reading from? This is what St. Paul says:
[22] Ye men of Athens, in al things I perceive you as it were superstitious. [23] For passing by and seeing your Idols, I found an altar also where upon was written: To the unknowen God. That therefore which you worship, not knowing it, the same doe I preach to you. [24] The God that made the …More
@W obronie Tradycji Kościoła What counterfeit bible are you reading from? This is what St. Paul says:
[22] Ye men of Athens, in al things I perceive you as it were superstitious. [23] For passing by and seeing your Idols, I found an altar also where upon was written: To the unknowen God. That therefore which you worship, not knowing it, the same doe I preach to you. [24] The God that made the world and al things that are in it, he being the Lord of Heaven & earth dwelleth not in Temples made with hand, [25] neither is he served with mens hands, needing any thing, whereas himself giveth life unto al, and breathing, and al things : [26] and he made of one, al mankind, to inhabite upon the whole face of the earth, assigning set times, and the limits of their habitation, [27] for to seeke God, if happily they may feele or find him ; although he be not farre from everyone of us : [28] For in him we live and move and be, as certain also of your own Poetes said, For of his kind also we are. [29] Being therefore of Gods kind, we may not suppose, the Divinitie to be like unto gold or silver, or stone, the graving of art and devise of man. [30] And the times truly of this ignorance whereas God dispised, now he denounceth unto men that al every where doe penance, [31] for that he hath appointed a day wherein he wil judge the world in equitie, by a man whom he hath appointed, giving al men faith, raising him up from the death. [Acts of the Apostles Chapter 17, Rhemes 1582]
W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
Look at the comment: biblia.deon.pl/rozdzial.php
mattsixteen24
Yes, you said this already. This post insinuates that what JPII did is no different than what St. Paul did. This is false. There's a massive difference between participating in pagan rituals versus making a reference to their poem in a speech to evangelize them. The Bible verses you posted come from a counterfeit bible that make it sound like St. Paul speaks highly of pagans. As if he was …More
Yes, you said this already. This post insinuates that what JPII did is no different than what St. Paul did. This is false. There's a massive difference between participating in pagan rituals versus making a reference to their poem in a speech to evangelize them. The Bible verses you posted come from a counterfeit bible that make it sound like St. Paul speaks highly of pagans. As if he was speaking like a modernist!!

Correct Bible : "22] Ye men of Athens, in al things I perceive you as it were superstitious."

Garbage counterfeit : "People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious."
W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
St. Paul quoted a pagan hymn to Zeus (Acts 17:28; look at the comment: biblia.deon.pl/rozdzial.php). Saint John Paul II did the same (captatio benevolentiae). There is no internal act of idolatry when it is not conscious and intentional.
mattsixteen24
Yes, you've said this too. There are great number of people with malformed conscious and nor can we read the hearts of men, but this doesn't excuse their heretical or apostate behavior.
W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
Don't insult St. Paul, who quoted a fragment of the pagan hymn to Zeus (Acts 17:28). Do not insult holy Christians who have consumed food dedicated to idols (1 Corinthians 8, 1-13).
mattsixteen24
That comment wasn't directed at St. Paul! That was directed to JPII.
W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
So Paul stood before the whole council of the Areopagus and made this speech: 'Men of Athens, I have seen for myself how extremely scrupulous you are in all religious matter, because, as I strolled round looking at your sacred monuments, I noticed among other things an altar inscribed: To An Unknown God (Acts of Apostles 17, 22-23; www.catholic.org/bible/book.php).
mattsixteen24
@W obronie Tradycji Kościoła 😡 Admitting and believing are two different things. You replaced admitting with believing! And look at the rest of the sentence. "or though admitting one true God, they do not believe in the Messiah,"
W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
@mattsixteen24:

Pius XI:

72. But in this battle joined by the powers of darkness against the very idea of Divinity, it is Our fond hope that, besides the host which glories in the name of Christ, all those - and they comprise the overwhelming majority of mankind, - who still believe in God and pay Him homage may take a decisive part.

Source of text: Encyclical "Divini Redemtoris" 72; www.…More
@mattsixteen24:

Pius XI:

72. But in this battle joined by the powers of darkness against the very idea of Divinity, it is Our fond hope that, besides the host which glories in the name of Christ, all those - and they comprise the overwhelming majority of mankind, - who still believe in God and pay Him homage may take a decisive part.

Source of text: Encyclical "Divini Redemtoris" 72; www.vatican.va/…/hf_p-xi_enc_193…na
mattsixteen24
@W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (# 2), Jan. 6, 1928:

"... that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, ... Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little, turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which …More
@W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (# 2), Jan. 6, 1928:

"... that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, ... Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little, turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion."[85]
HerzMariae
So it it was also fine to introduce Pachamama in St Peter's by Francis at the Pachamama Synod.
W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
It is completely different to introduce an image of an idol (Pachamama) to the temple and take part in a pagan ceremony - this is idolatry
HerzMariae
We do not name a devil (Pachamama) in any positive sense. Not Zeus and not Pachamama.