Fr. Ripperger makes a particularly poor argument claiming fetal cell lines are continual theft. I point out WHY this is a poor argument.
Fr Matthew P Schneider LC

Fetal Cell Lines Are Not Continual Theft From the Fetus (2/3 on Fr. Ripperger)

Fetal Cell Lines Are Not Continual Theft From the Fetus (2/3 on Fr. Ripperger) January 15, 2021 Fr. Matthew P. Schneider, LC This is the second in a …
Ave Crux
Below is data being presented by Senator Ron Johnson in conjunction with a hearing over which he presided of victims of the vaccines. And these are only data actually reported to VAERS. Many adverse effects are never reported.

The video of his hearing is also linked below. The stories are heartbreaking.

These vaccines are hardly "prudential" health care and no one should at all should be encour…More
Below is data being presented by Senator Ron Johnson in conjunction with a hearing over which he presided of victims of the vaccines. And these are only data actually reported to VAERS. Many adverse effects are never reported.

The video of his hearing is also linked below. The stories are heartbreaking.

These vaccines are hardly "prudential" health care and no one should at all should be encouraged to take such experimental "Russian Roulette" vaccines when the illness itself offers a far lower risk -- based on CDC's own records:

VIDEO LINK: Senator Ron Johnson speaking with some of the victims who have suffered adverse, life-altering effects from the vaccines.
Fr Matthew P Schneider LC
A screenshot of a chart that is inaccurate is not evidence. It's an unsubstantiated claim.
Ave Crux
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Father, the comment I posted of the captured screenshot includes the hearing link with Senator Ron Johnson -- an honest politician who provided this data during his hearing with the victims of the Vaccine. I simply captured the slide from his presentation and posted it above.

You will note that Senator Johnson presented it as FDA and CDC's own data.

I'm sure …More
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Father, the comment I posted of the captured screenshot includes the hearing link with Senator Ron Johnson -- an honest politician who provided this data during his hearing with the victims of the Vaccine. I simply captured the slide from his presentation and posted it above.

You will note that Senator Johnson presented it as FDA and CDC's own data.

I'm sure this good Senator (not a "fringey anti-vaxxer") verified the data before using it at a public hearing. You can see the screenshot in context if you watch the hearing; along with hearing the heartbreaking stories of just a few of the people whose lives have been ruined by the vaccine.

Our closest friends' 20-year old niece is in critical condition following the vaccine from blood clots throughout her body. Plus their good friend died following the vaccine, while his wife is in CCU.
Fr Matthew P Schneider LC
Even if this is government data, it shows a lack of understanding of reporting systems. as the COVID vaccine was new, they asked anything at all that happened, even if 99% sure not related to the Vaccine to be reported. Plus, anyone can report to the VAERS system for vaccine adverse reports while only medical professionals can report for other medicine so I could report the vaccine would turn me …More
Even if this is government data, it shows a lack of understanding of reporting systems. as the COVID vaccine was new, they asked anything at all that happened, even if 99% sure not related to the Vaccine to be reported. Plus, anyone can report to the VAERS system for vaccine adverse reports while only medical professionals can report for other medicine so I could report the vaccine would turn me into the Hulk and it would become part of the government data unless I consented to its removal. (This is not a hypothetical, this happened: politifact.com/…ill-zedler-insists-program-doesnt-collect-wide-ra/ & vaccineinjuryhelpcenter.com/vaers-system/)
Ave Crux
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Also, Father, in a post earlier today from which I grabbed the following list below, an FDA video presentation on the Vaccine rollout to medical providers had this list on a slide and quickly skipped it without stopping to comment on its contents.

I was able to take a quick screen grab in a split second it appeared, and have also posted the typed up list of adverse …More
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Also, Father, in a post earlier today from which I grabbed the following list below, an FDA video presentation on the Vaccine rollout to medical providers had this list on a slide and quickly skipped it without stopping to comment on its contents.

I was able to take a quick screen grab in a split second it appeared, and have also posted the typed up list of adverse side-effects anticipated by the FDA.

And yet, they refuse to acknowledge all the cases that are occurring, even though the adverse side-effects were listed in an anticipatory fashion in their presentation.

This a far cry from "prudential healthcare" -- it is Russian Roulette

FDA Safety Surveillance of COVID-19 Vaccines: DRAFT Working list of possible adverse event outcomes ***Subject to change***
-Guillain-Barré syndrome
-Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis
-Transverse myelitis
-Encephalitis /myelitis/encephalomyelitis/meningoencephalitis/meningitis/encephalopathy
-Convulsions/seizures
-Stroke
-Narcolepsy and cataplexy
-Anaphylaxis
-Acute myocardial infarction
-Myocarditis/pericarditis
-Autoimmune disease
-Deaths
-Preganacy and birth outcomes
-Other acute demyelinating diseases
-Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions
-Thrombocytopenia
-Disseminated intervascular coagulation
-Venous thromboembolism
-Arthritis and arthralgia/joint pain
-Kawasaki disease
-Multisymptom Inflammatory Syndrome in Children
-Vaccine enhanced disease
Ave Crux
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Actually -- it is widely acknowledged that the adverse side effects are UNDER-REPORTED by 90%.

7 years ago, I became permanently disabled from an allergic reaction to an antibiotic. My symptoms are very similar to some of those being reported by victims of the current vaccine.

I never reported this to anyone but my doctor, who has been caring for my condition …More
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Actually -- it is widely acknowledged that the adverse side effects are UNDER-REPORTED by 90%.

7 years ago, I became permanently disabled from an allergic reaction to an antibiotic. My symptoms are very similar to some of those being reported by victims of the current vaccine.

I never reported this to anyone but my doctor, who has been caring for my condition ever since, requiring monthly treatments of IV therapy to reduce symptoms.

My impression at the time when the antibiotic made me so ill -- as is the case with so many victims -- and after speaking to an attorney I know, is that the drug companies are exempt from liability -- that all the victims can do is just live with it and deal with it.

I only learned afterward that this antibiotic has a "black box" warning -- which no one told me about; and, as someone who never took even so much as an aspirin, never suspected a medicine could make me permanently disabled.

Again, you show an alarming amount of naivete and willingness to defend Big Pharma and Big Government -- even though they have shown themselves woefully unworthy of our trust.
One more comment from Ave Crux
Ave Crux
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC As Providence would have it, I encountered a scenario this evening that further serves to debunk your ill-advised dismissal of the data provided above.

As I was prayerfully reflecting earlier this evening on the all the people I know of that have had life-altering -- and, in some cases, fatal and near fatal reactions to the COVID -- I happened to step into a store to …More
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC As Providence would have it, I encountered a scenario this evening that further serves to debunk your ill-advised dismissal of the data provided above.

As I was prayerfully reflecting earlier this evening on the all the people I know of that have had life-altering -- and, in some cases, fatal and near fatal reactions to the COVID -- I happened to step into a store to pick something up quickly and met two people fuming over the vaccine propaganda and the damage it has done to people they know.

First, my own personal knowledge of such cases:

1) Friend in FL who is a caregiver for the elderly - excessive, unusual and irregular bleeding along with strange, debilitating fatigue that does not lift.

2) All of her vaccinated elderly clients who are on blood thinners to prevent strokes -- as well as those of a nurse she works with -- are all suddenly having terrible issues with requiring higher and higher doses of their blood thinning medication to forestall medical complications leading to stroke.

3) One of her clients had several successive mini-strokes following the vaccine, and her client's 32-year old son-in-law had a seizure following the vaccine

4) Our closest friend's 20 year-old niece is on life-support following blood clots throughout her body and brain immediately after receiving the vaccine.

5) Their other friend died shortly after the vaccine and his wife is in ICU following hers.

AND....

6) one of the people I just happened to run into in the store this evening while reflecting on our earlier exchange -- a young man of 18, very upset by what he clearly perceives as vaccine propaganda -- is very shaken up by the fact that 2 people his family knows (unrelated to each other, 27 and 40 years old respectively) both had strokes within hours of getting the vaccine and died from it.

He said, brimming with frustration: "Right...just a coincidence that all these previously healthy people are having identical symptoms after getting the vaccine."

I didn't even solicit these comments...! I was standing there waiting to check out and overheard his conversation with the man in front of me -- who was also angry about these vaccines....!

WHEN, Father....when has any one of us ever heard of such events following any other vaccine that has been in use in our lifetimes....?

Coincidence....? Hardly....

And as far your baseless claim, Father, that the numbers are only high because "people are reporting everything", then how does one explain how the number of DEATHS -- which would certainly never have been excluded by less broad reporting methods in the past -- are exponentially higher than any other drug-related cause of death in the last 20 years?

These vaccines are deadly....and we haven't seen the whole of it yet.
Fr Matthew P Schneider LC
"possible adverse events" when distributing it after large studies (with tens of thousands, but not millions) means exactly that, not that there is a single case of any of those, but that they want doctors to report anything in those broad categories in case there is an elevated risk, as often vaccine risks like those are in the range of 1 in several million or something. With 50 million …More
"possible adverse events" when distributing it after large studies (with tens of thousands, but not millions) means exactly that, not that there is a single case of any of those, but that they want doctors to report anything in those broad categories in case there is an elevated risk, as often vaccine risks like those are in the range of 1 in several million or something. With 50 million Americans with each Pfizer and Moderna, we can be pretty sure that none of these are actual risks at even a level of 1 in several million.
Ave Crux
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Father, I just related to you the personal knowledge of no less than 10+ people I know of who have had strokes and life-threatening consequences -- even up to the point of dying -- immediately after receiving the vaccines, and all you can do is rattle off more blithe rationalization and propaganda.

This is not even counting the numerous elderly clients that the care…
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@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Father, I just related to you the personal knowledge of no less than 10+ people I know of who have had strokes and life-threatening consequences -- even up to the point of dying -- immediately after receiving the vaccines, and all you can do is rattle off more blithe rationalization and propaganda.

This is not even counting the numerous elderly clients that the caregiver and nurse I know are saying are now in danger of stroke because their blood thinners are no longer effective since the vaccine.


"...none of these are actual risks at even a level of 1 in several million."...you say....?

I must know at least 30 million people personally then.

How does your math hold up to my lived experience, Father? And I live a very secluded life -- yet I personally know of dozens of people seriously injured and in danger from this vaccine.

How many people have you personally ever heard of in the past having strokes or dying from the flu vaccine?

I also mention the fact that "DEATH" is certainly a factor never omitted in gathering data on past and present vaccines, and that the COVID vaccine has resulted in nearly 5,000 deaths to date (that we know of) -- exponentially more than ALL OTHER VACCINES COMBINED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS -- and this is only in 6 months.

You are obviously not being honest, Father. And it's dishonest and Machiavellian to have a debate when one is not willing to be honest.


God bless.
Dr Bobus
I am reminded of a distinction made by Fr Reginald Garrigou-LaGrange:

Rigorism considers the lesser good to be evil.
Laxism considers the less evil to be good.

Both follow from Relativism.
Ultraviolet
This is why attracting @Dr Bobus' unfavorable attention can be a perilous thing. ;-)
GaryLockhart
Praying for your conversion, Reverend Schneider.
Fr Matthew P Schneider LC
You want to to cease being an orthodox Catholic. Why?
Fr Matthew P Schneider LC
Excessive rigorism is not Catholic teaching.
Ave Crux
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Opposing murder and all its consequences has never been and never will be "rigorism" in the sight of God, Father.

Those murders stand before His eyes at this moment as if they just happened.

Murdering babies was neither NECESSARY to produce a vaccine, nor are those dead babies now "irrelevant" (your choice of word).

You are deeply mistaken and on the wrong track, …More
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Opposing murder and all its consequences has never been and never will be "rigorism" in the sight of God, Father.

Those murders stand before His eyes at this moment as if they just happened.

Murdering babies was neither NECESSARY to produce a vaccine, nor are those dead babies now "irrelevant" (your choice of word).

You are deeply mistaken and on the wrong track, Father. Give up your obsession with defending the indefensible.
Fr Matthew P Schneider LC
You are deeply mistaken and on the wrong track, @Ave Crux . Give up your obsession with defending the indefensible. The Church has already declared multiple times. Every reasonable theologian has agreed. Every US bishop has agreed - Strickland will not take the vaccine, but notes that is for witness not a moral requirement.

The position that no super-remote cooperation is allowed is an indefen…More
You are deeply mistaken and on the wrong track, @Ave Crux . Give up your obsession with defending the indefensible. The Church has already declared multiple times. Every reasonable theologian has agreed. Every US bishop has agreed - Strickland will not take the vaccine, but notes that is for witness not a moral requirement.

The position that no super-remote cooperation is allowed is an indefensible and non-Catholic possition.
Ave Crux
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Father, the sad fact is that the Church now condemns, censures and strips of assignments faithful Priests everywhere who speak the truth (I have known many); issues heterodox documents -- such as Amoris Laetitia -- which widely confuse the Faithful on esssential, consequential matters of sexual morality; remains passive before outrageous concessions to Eucharistic …More
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Father, the sad fact is that the Church now condemns, censures and strips of assignments faithful Priests everywhere who speak the truth (I have known many); issues heterodox documents -- such as Amoris Laetitia -- which widely confuse the Faithful on esssential, consequential matters of sexual morality; remains passive before outrageous concessions to Eucharistic sacrilege and homosexual inroads into the Church, suspending Her teaching mandate and governance while allowing it; AND relies upon documents which are not even de fide --such as the one published on vaccines -- without any real medical standing or informed expertise to do so.

Just the fact that you also have tried to defend their liceity because "just a few abortions" (even though one is too many) were necessary, shows how woefully uninformed many priests and members of the hierarchy are in this matter.

Further, no consideration at all is given to the fact that the Church Militant must oppose such atrocities -- rather then excusing them with the rationale and casuistry that calls them "remote" -- in order to forestall the scandal and the legitimacy which such consent gives to the medical industry which is now experimenting and using aborted babies for various medical initiatives.

I have been a Traditional Catholic for over 40 years, following all of this closely, and have learned that virtually nothing in the Post-Vatican II era can be taken at face value...the pass they have given to these abortion-based vaccines included.

FOR EXAMPLE...the following clause in the statement by the Vatican on these vaccines will never be realized, because the Catholic Church never opposes or voices formal opposition in any way to the use of aborted babies in their development. The Church -- rather than act as a strong moral agent -- just keeps giving a pass and pretending they are free of all responsibility in the matter:

"In fact, the licit use of such vaccines does not and should not in any way imply that there is a moral endorsement of the use of cell lines proceeding from aborted fetuses. Both pharmaceutical companies and governmental health agencies are therefore encouraged to produce, approve, distribute and offer ethically acceptable vaccines that do not create problems of conscience for either health care providers or the people to be vaccinated."

P.S. After posting the above comment about the need for the Church to be a change agent in pushing for moral change in this matter, I came upon this post wherein a TRUE Prince of the Church does what all Bishops and Priests should be doing and do not. No, instead they just give a pass and it goes on and on, unchallenged:

Babies were aborted alive, placed in fridge to harvest cell lines used in some vaccines: researcher
Fr Matthew P Schneider LC
Frist, no abortions were needed. Second, it is basically impossible to avoid all cooperation so remote: you'd need to stop using any electronics, stop buying anything made or sold in China, Canada, or the USA or probably tons of other countries, stop paying taxes in any of those countries, etc. You would need to be an off the grid subsistence farmer or hunter-gatherer who made all your own tools …More
Frist, no abortions were needed. Second, it is basically impossible to avoid all cooperation so remote: you'd need to stop using any electronics, stop buying anything made or sold in China, Canada, or the USA or probably tons of other countries, stop paying taxes in any of those countries, etc. You would need to be an off the grid subsistence farmer or hunter-gatherer who made all your own tools and built your own house. The Church clearly does not require or even propose that for most.

Option B if you are going to be connected enough that you can post on this website, is contrary to Catholic moral theology: "To argue that we should not take COVID vaccines only tested on fetal cell lines, a person needs to make several nested special cases. First, they make a special case of this vaccine versus other vaccines as most don’t seem to object to rubella vaccines as strenuously despite rubella vaccines being more connected to abortion. Second, they make a special case of vaccines versus other medicines. Third, they make a special case of medicines versus other uses of the same cell lines testing other things. Fourth, they make a special case of fetal cell lines versus other connections to abortion like funding China’s forced abortions when we buy Chinese goods. Fifth, they make a special case of abortion with regard to remote cooperation (it’s OK to cooperate in slave labor to get the materials for my electronics but not abortion even if many more times remote)." patheos.com/…vaccine-catholics-break-moral-theology-principles/
Ave Crux
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC

Father, first, the following series of articles linked below serve to refute your position quite clearly.

Second, the rubella vaccine, as with all vaccines, can (and has) also been produced without the use of human fetal cells. The fact that the Church has not lobbied extensively and visibly against the atrocity of experimenting with the use of aborted babies is one …More
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC

Father, first, the following series of articles linked below serve to refute your position quite clearly.

Second, the rubella vaccine, as with all vaccines, can (and has) also been produced without the use of human fetal cells. The fact that the Church has not lobbied extensively and visibly against the atrocity of experimenting with the use of aborted babies is one of the reasons it continues.

Further, the controversy surrounding the COVID vaccines has brought this whole travesty to light. I know many people were never aware that the organs and tissue of aborted babies were used to produce and test vaccines.

Now that we are aware, our use of these vaccines casts a whole new light on our decision to do so. Bishop Schneider explains this very well.

Those of us who are now aware do not "make a special case" of these vaccines vs other vaccines or medicines developed with fetal cell lines. In fact, the larger majority of the public was never aware of this factor. Now we are.

Lastly, there is no proportionality or similarity between the examples you mention with the infrastructure of our entire planet, and the known, explicit use of aborting babies and extracting their organs immediately for medical experiments.

I cannot -- it is impossible -- imagine myself presented with such vaccines and not breaking down and crying at the thought of what was done to those innocent children.....it is NOT remote. It is not one little obscure element in an overall scheme of things such the power grid and technology which engulfs us....the fact that you can insist upon this as a moral equivalent so dispassionately is alarming.

Those aborted babies and the numerous cell lines used in experiments leading up to the HEK293 cell line are a discrete, unique, clearly identifiable element in the process -- down to the fact that in some cases the mothers of these children have been identified as a matter of record -- without which the vaccines would not have been produced.

The murdered babies comprise an essential aspect of the ongoing production and quality control of these vaccines. Thus your statement that "no abortions were needed" is absolutely false and inexplicable.

Here are the articles which make clear the facts which argue against your position:

COVID Vaccines, the Common Good, and Moral Liceity:
Part I
Part II
Part III
Ave Crux
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Father, I read this article linked below and wept. THIS is how a truly PRIESTLY heart thinks and feels... a heart of flesh, a heart that doesn't classify murdered babies as "irrelevant" (your choice of word) based on when their murder happened; or on the number of babies who were killed for this purpose ("only a few of the abortions..."...also your choice of words). …More
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Father, I read this article linked below and wept. THIS is how a truly PRIESTLY heart thinks and feels... a heart of flesh, a heart that doesn't classify murdered babies as "irrelevant" (your choice of word) based on when their murder happened; or on the number of babies who were killed for this purpose ("only a few of the abortions..."...also your choice of words).

God is outside of time -- the murder of those babies is an eternal reality ever before the sight of God, crying out to Him from their pools of blood...

"Irrelevant".."only a few.."? What horrifying words to use regarding these Innocents, Father. Such words speak volumes about how you have been compromised and desensitized to reality as God sees it.

Here expressed in this article is the mind and heart of a Priest who thinks as a man compenetrated with the gaze of God upon this world.

He doesn't resort to theological casuistry and rationale to convince others as to why we shouldn't give a thought to those "remote" abortions, just so we can take the "jab".

He recognizes the enormity of this crime could never justify this atrocity, and that our cooperation clearly validates and encourages its ongoing use.

lifesitenews.com/…id-vaccine-is-moral-complicity-in-organ-harvesting
Ultraviolet
I'd like to "Like" @Ave Crux's comment but they've put the "Butthurt Block" on me. So. No "Like" for them. ;-)
Ave Crux
Sorry, I forgot. It was from our first disagreement when I got really aggravated and needed a retreat. 😉 Thanks, I appreciate that.
Ultraviolet
Not a problem. Really.. :) As I told someone else awhile ago, "Users on GTV disagree, often disagree bitterly with one another, yet a few of us (just a few) genuinely don't take it personally. A new post, a new subject, and it's a fresh slate." I can have a proverbial online screaming match with you under one post and then "Like" something you say under another post because I fully agree with …More
Not a problem. Really.. :) As I told someone else awhile ago, "Users on GTV disagree, often disagree bitterly with one another, yet a few of us (just a few) genuinely don't take it personally. A new post, a new subject, and it's a fresh slate." I can have a proverbial online screaming match with you under one post and then "Like" something you say under another post because I fully agree with it. The truth doesn't change depending on who says it.
Ave Crux
Yes, at least we care passionately enough about the truth to debate what that precious truth might be. That matters a great deal to God... Truth is what we were created for, after all.
The New Knights Templar
@Ultraviolet. "As I told someone else awhile ago..." Hmm. I wonder who that might be...:)
Ave Crux
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Father, your obsession with defending these criminal vaccines (criminal on many fronts -- given their abortion-implicated source; their dissemination under false pretenses that no early treatment is available as millions died as a result; their experimental nature that is resulting in an exponentially higher death rate among recipients than all previous vaccines …More
@Fr Matthew P Schneider LC Father, your obsession with defending these criminal vaccines (criminal on many fronts -- given their abortion-implicated source; their dissemination under false pretenses that no early treatment is available as millions died as a result; their experimental nature that is resulting in an exponentially higher death rate among recipients than all previous vaccines combined, etc.) from every possible objection by every possible objector is both reprehensible and culpable itself.

You toss aside every objection made upon moral grounds and show a complete disregard for Divine Authority and censure in a matter so grave as to UNNECESSARILY use aborted babies to develop and test these vaccines.

I fear you are going to suffer the consequences spiritually as you lead many into error in the sight of God.

Why endanger your own soul and that of others for so wretched a purpose?

You would do better to use your time to address the crisis in the Church and in catechesis.

THAT's why you were ordained -- not to become an apologist for unethically devised vaccines, as though you were an arm of the CDC.

Father...beware of what you are about....
Scapular
NOBEL LAUREATE LUC MONTAGNIER - WARNS COVID VACCINE MAY LEAD TO 'NEURODEGENERATIVE ILLNESS'
bitchute.com/video/pbahsDgg3Y7q/

Similar symptoms “The practice of cannibalism in one Papua New Guinea tribe lead to the spread of a fatal brain disease called kuru that caused a devastating epidemic in the group.” livescience.com/51191-cannibalism-prions-brain-disease.html
Seidenspinner
It's not only about fetal cell lines. What if the vaccine damages the immune system?
Dr Bobus
That's a different question.