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Angelici Ordinis
No true Catholic could FAIL to suspend their judgment as to who is pope or not in this time.
Ultraviolet
LOL... This is TOO easy.
Ultraviolet
We must separate from the Pope to remain in communion with the Papacy. Yeah, no.. :P A friendly reminder for would-be "separatists"....
Angelici Ordinis
Bergoglio has separated himself from the Church. Those canons apply to HIM, not Catholics. The LAW is not for the purpose of destroying the Truth. You are a Pharisee because you believe the law is meant to enable your escape from Justice and moral responsibility.
Ultraviolet
You really need to read GTV's Announcement addressingt such statements about The Pope.

Friendly suggestion... after reading it, you might also want to edit your post before the moderator referred to in that Announcement notices you're violating it. That mod is like the Angel of Death

No, Pope Francis hasn't "separated himself" from the Church. He is the current head of the Church. You …More
You really need to read GTV's Announcement addressingt such statements about The Pope.

Friendly suggestion... after reading it, you might also want to edit your post before the moderator referred to in that Announcement notices you're violating it. That mod is like the Angel of Death

No, Pope Francis hasn't "separated himself" from the Church. He is the current head of the Church. You don't like that? Too bad. Neither do I.

Canon Law applies to all Catholics.

"The LAW is not for the purpose of destroying the Truth."

The LAW, as you put it, is not being used for that purpose. The LAW is for the purpose in maintaining order and keeping people like you from inventing both policy and doctrine on a case by case basis, as you see fit.

That's how the Lutherans work with their contradictory legalisms based on "Sola Scriptura". If that's how you want Christianity to work, you're in the wrong denomination.

"You are a Pharisee because you believe the law is meant to enable your escape from Justice and moral responsibility."

Oh LOLOL... GTV has another psychic whose powers enable them to discern what I believe...

It's been a while since we've had someone from the Psychic Friends Network here on GTV making claims about what I think, know, or believe.... You guys are always good for a few laughs.

First, unlesss you're quoting me verbatim, you don't know the first blasted thing about what I believe. Got that, champ? Second, I believe that law is meant to ensure order and consistency which are fundamental underpinnings of justice.

"Go ahead and try to say that Bergoglio has NOT refused submission to his predecessors."

I don't have to. That is something for the Church to decide and the Church has not made such a ruling.

If you wish to claim that "Bergoglio" in fact has "refused submission to his predecessors." then the burden of proof is on you.

Please cite an instance where "Bergoglio" as you disrepectfully keep calling our Pope, refused to acknowledge a previous Pope's lawful authority as Pope during his career.

Moar importantly, show where "Bergoglio" was reprimanded by the Church for doing so.

Your move. ;-)
charisma
1. No source given where this ominous letter appeared (if appeared at all)
2. The same letter has been referred to many times, which should be considered of great importance if details are published only in such small portions.
Angelici Ordinis
It's Vigano. It's his writing style, which is quite unique.
dowd
Agree with Vigano who we should consider our stand-in Pope who provides us the truth about the Church and the world.
Pope Innocent lll
St. Paul to the Catholic Galatians: "As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema."
- Sacred Scripture
Ultraviolet
Please link the Gospel of Francis. ;-)
John A Cassani
Since you keep making this false analogy, correction is in order. The gospel of Francis consists of all of the trash that has been attributed to him, with “Amoris” at the forefront. I have no doubt that he would replace the True Scriptures with his garbage if he thought it mattered. In his circles, Vatican II has literally replaced everything before it. Scripture must be interpreted according to …More
Since you keep making this false analogy, correction is in order. The gospel of Francis consists of all of the trash that has been attributed to him, with “Amoris” at the forefront. I have no doubt that he would replace the True Scriptures with his garbage if he thought it mattered. In his circles, Vatican II has literally replaced everything before it. Scripture must be interpreted according to it, and, at best, previous doctrine is taken for granted, with no eye to defending it to the modern ear. For the most part, it is just forgotten. To keep To deviate from the faith, in any way, is to preach a different gospel than The Apostles handed down.
Ultraviolet
Oh lucky me, I'm gonna get some correction. :D

I've got some for you, hoss. First, I'm not making an "analogy" at all..

I'm not comparing "two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect." I'm contrasting two disimilar objects because they are NOT alike at all! If you're up for a game of "Smarty-Pants Semantics", oh baby, you came to the right place. ;-)

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Oh lucky me, I'm gonna get some correction. :D

I've got some for you, hoss. First, I'm not making an "analogy" at all..

I'm not comparing "two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect." I'm contrasting two disimilar objects because they are NOT alike at all! If you're up for a game of "Smarty-Pants Semantics", oh baby, you came to the right place. ;-)

Whatever the Pope has written, none of it includes a re-telling of Christ's words and deeds. That IS what a "gospel" is, after all.

This has been the established definition (according to wiki) since the second century AD. Meaning, dear heart, I'm using a definition that has remained constant for over one thousand, eight hundred years.

Speaking bluntly, that's a bigger precedent than anything you can possibly hope to present, even in your wildest fantasies of providing any "correction" you might believe is "in order".

This definition of "Gospel" is consistent in both Catholic and secular source the Catholic Encyclopedia states:

"The word Gospel usually designates a written record of Christ's words and deeds."

...which is fully supported by the Encylopedia Britannica

"Gospel, any of four biblical narratives covering the life and death of Jesus Christ."

Pope Francis has not written a narraitve "covering the life and death of Jesus Christ" or a "written record of Christ's words and deeds".

Consequently...
A.) This quotation from St. Paul does not apply.

B.) Despite your pretensions, you don't know what you're talking about.

C.) I just had a blast demonstrating both A.) and B.) in the most condescending manner I could safely manage without falling afoul of GTV's rules against, openly insulting other users.

...and I'm not done with you yet.

"The gospel of Francis consists of all of the trash that has been attributed to him."

A man is not responsible for what is attributed to him by other parties. That was far too easy. ;-)

" with 'Amoris' at the forefront."

If that is the example you choose to place "at the forefront", I have some terrible news for you. "Amoris" is not a narrative "covering the life and death of Jesus Christ" nor is it "a written record of Christ's words and deeds."

Therefore the very example you presented supports my position that Pope Francis has not written a Gospel. :D

"I have no doubt that he would replace the True Scriptures with his garbage if he thought it mattered."

What you do or don't have doubts about is irrelevant to what you can or can not show.

....annnnnnnd right now you still haven't shown any evidence whatsoever that Pope Francis has written a Gospel. This returns us to point A.) from before. ;-)

"Vatican II has literally replaced everything before it."

...and now you lapse into outright hyperbole.

"To keep To deviate from the faith, in any way, is to preach a different gospel than The Apostles handed down."

"To keep To deviate..."
Oh yeah, you're just ranting at this point and it shows. :P
Cuthbert Mayne
This is dangerous territory. An alternate suggestion would be to remain loyal to the Holy Father, and yet consider all of his statements nonsense. In so far as they are not ex cathedra.
An analogous situation would be if one’s father became a drunk or a transvestite
Angelici Ordinis
Adherence to a heresiarch is dangerous territory. And separation from one's father if he is molesting you is beyond warranted. It is demanded by justice itself. You are kind of creepy, you know that?
Cuthbert Mayne
@Angelici Ordinis looks like you’re speaking out of a personal experience. Were you thinking of your father when you called me creepy?
Ultraviolet
Friendly word of warning, @Angelici Ordinis. If you describe a member of the Catholic clergy using that term on GTV, you deserve what follows. My own personal dedication to the truth compels me to say I'll LOL when it happens.

..."and yet consider all of his statements nonsense."

...implying Catholics do so. Some Sweeping Generalization Fallacy happenin' over there. :D

Protip: In light of …More
Friendly word of warning, @Angelici Ordinis. If you describe a member of the Catholic clergy using that term on GTV, you deserve what follows. My own personal dedication to the truth compels me to say I'll LOL when it happens.

..."and yet consider all of his statements nonsense."

...implying Catholics do so. Some Sweeping Generalization Fallacy happenin' over there. :D

Protip: In light of the example you're supplying, you've forfeited the right to call anyone on GTV "creepy".