It is great that Pope Francis will be consecrating Russia again on the 38th anniversary of John Paul II’s consecration. This news brought out several claiming that Russia had not been consecrated to fulfill the request at Fatima. The logic grounds for such claims are extremely flimsy and of necessity need to involve one of several colossally unlikely conspiracies. I will cover Francis’s re-consecration …More
It is great that Pope Francis will be consecrating Russia again on the 38th anniversary of John Paul II’s consecration. This news brought out several claiming that Russia had not been consecrated to fulfill the request at Fatima. The logic grounds for such claims are extremely flimsy and of necessity need to involve one of several colossally unlikely conspiracies. I will cover Francis’s re-consecration, the basic argument it was done in 1984, & alternatives that don’t make sense...
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Russia Was Consecrated in 1984 to the Immaculate Heart - Fr. Matthew P. Schneider, LC

It is great that Pope Francis will be consecrating Russia again on the 38th anniversary of John Paul II’s consecration …
Jeffrey Ade
Balderdash!
Ultraviolet
@iwirawan Is that entirely a bad thing? GTV doesn't have enough endless bad news about the world and The Church?
SHJ-IHM
1) I agree with Fr Schneider on one point: The new sister Lucy after 1960 was not a body double. But that's because Sister Lucy II looked nothing like Sister Lucy! A body double would look the same. 2) In 1946 the original Sister Lucy stated (to William Thomas Walsh) that the consecration of the world by Pius XII did not fulfill the requested Consecration because Russia was to be specifically …More
1) I agree with Fr Schneider on one point: The new sister Lucy after 1960 was not a body double. But that's because Sister Lucy II looked nothing like Sister Lucy! A body double would look the same. 2) In 1946 the original Sister Lucy stated (to William Thomas Walsh) that the consecration of the world by Pius XII did not fulfill the requested Consecration because Russia was to be specifically Consecrated. But we are asked to believe that the 1984 Consecration of the world WAS "accepted by heaven" with no explanation for the inconsistency? Was there a new vision explaining why heaven changed it's mind?
iwirawan
I think Fr Matthew is all about spring time in the Church, everything is good in the Church, nothing is wrong. I don't think it takes a conspiracy theorist to see that there are 2 Sr Lucia, one is the original, one is the imposter. If you cannot see that, there is nothing to discuss, really.
Ultraviolet
Jimmy, if you get banned for insulting a Catholic priest, don't turn into a cry-baby on your NEXT fake-account and start blaming me.
Roberto 55
Than, why is not Russia catholic as Blessed Virgin promised?
Fr Matthew P Schneider LC
Where? there are two paragraphs on different meanings of "convert" so saying she said they'd convert does not imply what you claim.
philosopher
Russia, since the fall of Soviet Communism has seen a resurgence in Orthodox Christianity.
Roberto 55
I am surprised Fr Matthew what you just said... I believe there is only One true Church = RCC, therefore I assume that only one true conversion exists...
Roberto 55
You are right Mathatias, its about people's decisions and free will.
Live Mike
“... we should affirm that Sister Lucia always thought that the ‘conversion’ of Russia is not to be limited to the return of the Russian people to the Orthodox Christian religions, rejecting the Marxist atheism of the Soviets, but rather, it refers purely, plainly and simply to the total, integral conversion of Russia to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.”- La Verdad sobre el …More
“... we should affirm that Sister Lucia always thought that the ‘conversion’ of Russia is not to be limited to the return of the Russian people to the Orthodox Christian religions, rejecting the Marxist atheism of the Soviets, but rather, it refers purely, plainly and simply to the total, integral conversion of Russia to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.”- La Verdad sobre el Secreto de Fatima, Fatima sin mitos, Father Joaquin Alonso, (2nd edition, Ejercito Azul, Madrid, 1988) p. 78. English translation by Joseph Cain. Original Spanish reads: “... podriamos decir que Lucia ha pensado siempre que la conversión de Rusia no se entiende solo de un retorno de los pueblos de Rusia a la religion cristiano-ortodoxa, rechazando el ateismo marxista y ateo de los soviets, sino que se refiere pura y llanmente a la conversion total e integral de un retorno a la unica y verdadera Iglesia, la catolica-romana.”

In 1966, the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima - Bishop João Pereira Venâncio, saw the necessity and urgency of defending the authentic Message of Our Lady of Fatima. Bishop Venâncio, alarmed by growing attempts to revise and reinterpret [to obfuscate, suppress and subvert] the Message of Fatima, officially commissioned Father Joaquin Maria Alonso, a learned Claretian priest, with the task of writing a complete critical history of the apparitions, messages and revelations of Fatima. So, Fr. Joaquin Alonso became the official archivist of Fatima with unrestricted access to Sister Lúcia & her writings and for 8 years he worked studying the Fatima archives and all relevant documents. Fr. Alonso produced a complete critical history of Fatima entitled, “Fatima Texts and Critical Studies.” This massive work would fill 24 volumes (800 pages per volume) and presents a collection of over 5,396 documents, ranging from the beginnings of the Fatima Apparitions until 12 November 1974. With all that information in mind Fr. Joaquin Alonso wrote down his thoughts above.
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Fr Matthew P Schneider LC
It's interesting how all these trads are out here throwing doctors of the Church like St. Teresa of Avila under the bus. She spoke about multiple conversions AFTER she was in the convent. That obviously can't mean becoming Catholic but must mean a movement towards truth, towards a deeper relationship with Jesus.
philosopher
Reverend father @Fr Matthew P Schneider LC, with all due respect, it's a fair point that @Live Mike has made- a statement from Fr. Alfonso (secretary of Fatima) and Bishop Venancio (Leiria-Fatima bishop) made in the 1960's both of whom personally knew Sister Lucia and had conversations with her. So, the argument that the consecration has not been made is not without merit or weight. It's not …More
Reverend father @Fr Matthew P Schneider LC, with all due respect, it's a fair point that @Live Mike has made- a statement from Fr. Alfonso (secretary of Fatima) and Bishop Venancio (Leiria-Fatima bishop) made in the 1960's both of whom personally knew Sister Lucia and had conversations with her. So, the argument that the consecration has not been made is not without merit or weight. It's not dismissing St. Teresa of Avila since, she was already Catholic when she entered the convent and her writings thematicity focuses on the continual inner lifetime conversion as a baptized Catholic. Nor, do I think it's being legalistic to say that the form of a prayer doesn't matter, otherwise without proper form baptism doesn't take place, as in the case of the former Arizona priest who resigned b/c for years he baptized several thousand people with invalid baptisms using the words In the name of...we (his intention also being that the community) baptize you. Words also matter in order for transubstatiation to occur on the alter- even if the priest has right intention but uses the wrong words- transubstantiation of the bread and wine becoming Our Lord does not take place. Both intention and words matter, but to say that words do not matter is false. Moreover, using the proper form or words that Heaven has asked for demonstrates not legalism but the virtues of obedience and humility.
Roberto 55
Fr Matthew : St Teresa of Avila is one of my favourite saints. In the time when she lived was totally different situation in the Church... Nothing like "trad", only catholics or bad catholics and also conversion meant (in that time) to become catholic and obviously towards deeper relationship with Jesus.
Fr Matthew P Schneider LC
@Roberto 55, the denying that the consecration happened in 1984 is incredibly rare outside trad circles. Like far less than 1% of non-trad Catholics hold such a view.
"obviously towards deeper relationship with Jesus." An Orthodox CHristian has a deeper relationship with Jesus than a Communist Atheist.More
@Roberto 55, the denying that the consecration happened in 1984 is incredibly rare outside trad circles. Like far less than 1% of non-trad Catholics hold such a view.

"obviously towards deeper relationship with Jesus." An Orthodox CHristian has a deeper relationship with Jesus than a Communist Atheist.
Fr Matthew P Schneider LC
@philosopher, you may want to read the addendum above I got from Jimmy Akin & listen to his podcast where he clearly distinguishes visions and seers' interpretations of visions. It seems likely she had some further revelation leading to the 1989 letter to the Pope given how she spoke.
Also, the interpretation she gave in the 1960s are superceded by her later interpretations. A seer is not infallible …More
@philosopher, you may want to read the addendum above I got from Jimmy Akin & listen to his podcast where he clearly distinguishes visions and seers' interpretations of visions. It seems likely she had some further revelation leading to the 1989 letter to the Pope given how she spoke.

Also, the interpretation she gave in the 1960s are superceded by her later interpretations. A seer is not infallible in their interpretations and improve in their understanding of it.