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No Other Problems? US Archdiocese Warns Against Attending Mass

Denver Archbishop Samuel Aquila, 71, who was baptised in the Roman Rite, told Catholics "not to attend Mass" at two PiusX chapels. Aquila is not on …
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Some Korean Catholics are waiting for American FSSP but Korean leftist bishops never allow FSSP.
Angelo Santelli
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I am delighted to say here that I ignore Bergoglio's belchings. I pray the Latin rite liturgy, and in my praying it I frequently peition the Lord to hasten Bergoglio's demise for the sake of His people. Why the Divine has granted Bergogio this length of days to expectorate his filth I am sure I will learn in heaven, where …More
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I am delighted to say here that I ignore Bergoglio's belchings. I pray the Latin rite liturgy, and in my praying it I frequently peition the Lord to hasten Bergoglio's demise for the sake of His people. Why the Divine has granted Bergogio this length of days to expectorate his filth I am sure I will learn in heaven, where Bergoglio will never find a place.
P. O'B
Denver has a thriving FSSP parish, and the Traditional Latin Mass is offered at four archdiocesan churches besides.
Jan Joseph
Gelukkig stappen de gelovigen massaal over naar de Pius X.
Adrien
@123jussi
The members of the Church are not absolutely limited to an ''Ordo'' or a rite.
It is possible for a priest/bishop to say the Holy Mass worthily using the Novus Ordo ritual and it is also possible to celebrate unworthily while using the Ancient Roman Rite.
The fact that the Ancient Roman Rite is very good does not give a de facto Communion with the Church for a priest/bishop just …More
@123jussi

The members of the Church are not absolutely limited to an ''Ordo'' or a rite.

It is possible for a priest/bishop to say the Holy Mass worthily using the Novus Ordo ritual and it is also possible to celebrate unworthily while using the Ancient Roman Rite.

The fact that the Ancient Roman Rite is very good does not give a de facto Communion with the Church for a priest/bishop just because he is using that Rite.

Using the word ''indeed'' to claim that Francis is a genuine Roman Pontiff is very inappropriate regarding his deeds and teachings.
123jussi
You need to do note study,novus ordo is not a rite separate from the vetus they are both Roman rite and it is absolute unless you have special permission to be biritual.Marcel is clearly a saint by acclimation of the faithful and never was excommunicated . Just saying it so doesn't make it that way.
Adrien
@123jussi
It is accurate that back in the days there was the Roman Rite and it's Roman Missal and they called the result of the reforms: Roman Rite and Roman Missal. From this view-point they look like conjoined twins but their closeness almost end there.
I studied the Ancient Roman Rite several years ago and my conclusion was that the New Missal was the book of another rite contrary to the …More
@123jussi

It is accurate that back in the days there was the Roman Rite and it's Roman Missal and they called the result of the reforms: Roman Rite and Roman Missal. From this view-point they look like conjoined twins but their closeness almost end there.

I studied the Ancient Roman Rite several years ago and my conclusion was that the New Missal was the book of another rite contrary to the opinion that claims that it is a reformed or revised version of the Ancient Missal.

Due to Summorum Pontificum, I acknowledge that all capable members of the Latin Clergy can use the Missal of 1962 . Francis does not possess the authority to change this decree. Also it is conceivable that Summorum Pontificum could be a concatenation of Quo Primum Tempore.

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was indubitably excommunicated along with the five others because he performed episcopal consecrations after he received an official warning from the reigning Supreme Pontiff commanding the Archbishop to renounce his project.

Then came the schism. Subsequently the Successor of the Apostle Peter had no authority over the new parallel church given that Fr. Schmidberger was the ruler and Archbishop Lefebvre the patriarch without anyone above them.
Wilma Lopez
"The evangelization of young Europeans of Muslim origin should be a pastoral priority" - Robert Cardinal Sarah
Adrien
I'm glad that Cardinal Sarah thinks the Muslims should convert but it is something impossible to accomplish on a small or large-scale as long as the Catholic Clergy will continue to refuse to proclaim the Kingdom of God the way the Holy Apostles did it and instead remaining simple parish priests or bishops INSIDE their episcopal palaces.
Adrien
@Steve D
The New Roman Rite and the new ritual of the Sacraments minimize many things but a priest can celebrate them worthily. There are many conditions but he can do it.
Also because a priest reading those rituals does not see nowhere a sentence like this:
-Jesus-Christ is not king.
Or
-All religions have the power to save their followers.
The fact that those reforms should not have ever exist…More
@Steve D

The New Roman Rite and the new ritual of the Sacraments minimize many things but a priest can celebrate them worthily. There are many conditions but he can do it.

Also because a priest reading those rituals does not see nowhere a sentence like this:

-Jesus-Christ is not king.

Or

-All religions have the power to save their followers.

The fact that those reforms should not have ever existed changes nothing to to the reality that we have to tolerate them since they were approved also because thousands of bishops and hundreds of thousands of priests are using them!
123jussi
I become more and more convinced that the SSPX and the Catholic Church are the same.it is the Novus Ordo crowd that have betrayed Our Lord and His Mother . Yes Francis is indeed Pope and a very evil one. Evil in the sense of lacking the good that ought to be there. His eyes are fixed on the here and now and even that he gets wrong. He seems to have no concern for the true refugees of this world …More
I become more and more convinced that the SSPX and the Catholic Church are the same.it is the Novus Ordo crowd that have betrayed Our Lord and His Mother . Yes Francis is indeed Pope and a very evil one. Evil in the sense of lacking the good that ought to be there. His eyes are fixed on the here and now and even that he gets wrong. He seems to have no concern for the true refugees of this world ie orthodox Catholics.
Adrien
@atreverse pensar
A dialogue with the Sedevacantists would be a waist of time. They are way to deep in their errors and on a national American scale there are at many Sedevacantists groups (sometimes very small) as divided as Protestants.
Also there's some gatherings of SSPX wannabes in this country ( I mean other groups, not the SSPX).More
@atreverse pensar

A dialogue with the Sedevacantists would be a waist of time. They are way to deep in their errors and on a national American scale there are at many Sedevacantists groups (sometimes very small) as divided as Protestants.

Also there's some gatherings of SSPX wannabes in this country ( I mean other groups, not the SSPX).
atreverse pensar
The dialogue with Pahcamama is very fruitful, as I see.
They don't want to talk to traditionalists so that people don't know what happened in the last 50 years.
Adrien
No Catholic worships the false goddess Pachamama.
The fact that they are not Catholic does not make the SSPX a part of the Catholic Church.
I don't mean that the SSPX will not join the Church in the near future.More
No Catholic worships the false goddess Pachamama.

The fact that they are not Catholic does not make the SSPX a part of the Catholic Church.

I don't mean that the SSPX will not join the Church in the near future.
V.R.S.
@Adrien
SSPX will not join the church of neo-adventists in the near future. They are Catholic.
Adrien
@ V.R.S. You are right about Francis' counterfeit church & Co, the SSPX will never join them!
I wrote the solution below in my answer to atreverse pensar.More
@ V.R.S. You are right about Francis' counterfeit church & Co, the SSPX will never join them!

I wrote the solution below in my answer to atreverse pensar.
atreverse pensar
“he published a list of illegitimate, sedevacantist or Protestant chapels, including Pius X”
At least be as open to dialogue with the Sedevacantists and Pius X as with the Protestants.
Carol H
Adrien, you are not the Church so stop proclaiming as if you were. The Church has seen fit to lift the excommunications off the four SSPX bishops without them having to change one iota of their stance. This is unprecedented in the history of the Church. And why? Because it was canonically unlawful in the first place. Further, their sacraments are recognized and full permission for the laity to …More
Adrien, you are not the Church so stop proclaiming as if you were. The Church has seen fit to lift the excommunications off the four SSPX bishops without them having to change one iota of their stance. This is unprecedented in the history of the Church. And why? Because it was canonically unlawful in the first place. Further, their sacraments are recognized and full permission for the laity to attend their masses and be married by their priests had long been granted. I was married in a Society Church in the 1990's. Both my (New Rite) parish priests gave permission and one of them even attended the wedding Mass. Granted, the SSPX's position is "irregular" however "irregular" does not place them outside the Church. Be careful of your wording.
Carol H
Sorry 'atreverse pensar' -wrong spot; this was meant for Adrien, not you :)
Louis IX
Excellent summary of the facts Carol H.
Adrien
@Carol H @Louis IX
Pope Benedict XVI lifted the Latae Sententiae excommunication that was confirmed by the Holy See on July 1st 1988 for two reasons:
-In the hope that it is a step that will lead to ''real and final unity'' according to Pope Benedict XVI himself.
- Because Bishop Fellay wrote and signed a letter to the Holy Father, Benedict XVI, asking for the lifting of excommunication where …More
@Carol H @Louis IX

Pope Benedict XVI lifted the Latae Sententiae excommunication that was confirmed by the Holy See on July 1st 1988 for two reasons:

-In the hope that it is a step that will lead to ''real and final unity'' according to Pope Benedict XVI himself.

- Because Bishop Fellay wrote and signed a letter to the Holy Father, Benedict XVI, asking for the lifting of excommunication where Bishop Felley wrote:

''We accept Her ( the Catholic Church) teachings with filial spirit. We firmly believe in the Primacy of Peter and his prerogatives, and because of that we suffer greatly by the current situation''.

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Do you remember the lifting of the July 16, 1054 excommunication by Pope Paul VI in 1965 of the Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople?
A different context but a lot in common.

Maybe in an non-existing alternate reality the Orthodox with join the Catholic Church just because some people will get married but not in our reality.

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Yes, being in an irregular situation does not mean to be outside the Church but someone can be in an irregular situation AND outside the Church like the SSPX ... up to this day .
Adrien
Since 1988 up to this day, the SSPX is a parallel church and not a part of the Catholic Church. Those who think the SSPX is inside the Church feel comforted by the meddling of the Vatican in this society but that doesn't reverse the situation. The formal split of 1988 requires a formal and sanctioned return to Full Communion with the Mystical Body of Jesus-Christ.
atreverse pensar
"Full communion" could be with the house of Rotschild.
123jussi
Adrien was obviously not home schooled.
Adrien
@atreverse pensar
Obviously not with the Synagogue of Satan, that is a blaspheme.
The Full Communion can be granted by the Successors of the Apostles.
Those that we can be certain of being members of the Catholic Church:
Pope emeritus or not emeritus Benedict XVI
Cardinal Raymond Burke
Cardinal Walter Brandmüller
Archbishop Carlo Viganò
Achbishop Jan Paweł Lenga
Bishop Athanasius Schneider
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@atreverse pensar

Obviously not with the Synagogue of Satan, that is a blaspheme.

The Full Communion can be granted by the Successors of the Apostles.

Those that we can be certain of being members of the Catholic Church:

Pope emeritus or not emeritus Benedict XVI
Cardinal Raymond Burke
Cardinal Walter Brandmüller
Archbishop Carlo Viganò
Achbishop Jan Paweł Lenga
Bishop Athanasius Schneider
Bishop René Gracida
atreverse pensar
Well, René Gracida has said that Bergoglio is not pope. Viganò also says no good things about that subject
Adrien
@atreverse pensar
Although they don't all acknowledge the signs in the present unfolding of events and therefore have diverging opinions for the moment, I assert that they are all genuine members of the One True Church.More
@atreverse pensar

Although they don't all acknowledge the signs in the present unfolding of events and therefore have diverging opinions for the moment, I assert that they are all genuine members of the One True Church.
De Profundis
What Aquila writes:
Archdiocese of Denver’s Statement on so-called Catholic Masses
It is the case that Christian services that appear to be or are advertised as Catholic Masses, but in actuality are not, are celebrated within the territory of the Archdiocese of Denver by various ex-priests, priests without faculties, invalidly ordained priests, priests who are part of sects not in communion with …More
What Aquila writes:
Archdiocese of Denver’s Statement on so-called Catholic Masses
It is the case that Christian services that appear to be or are advertised as Catholic Masses, but in actuality are not, are celebrated within the territory of the Archdiocese of Denver by various ex-priests, priests without faculties, invalidly ordained priests, priests who are part of sects not in communion with the Pope, etc. These services, while they may have the semblance of being authentic celebrations of the Mass, are in fact, not; they are illicit and usually invalid. Catholics should neither attend these services nor partake in their communion. Participation in such services does not fulfill one’s Sunday obligation.