Dr Bobus
If what Koch said is true, then someone should have told Christ he was wasting his tie when he was dealing with Jews.

And why did He have Apostles who were Jews?
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Vatican to Jewish Rabbis: Old Mosaic Law is “Way of Salvation for Jews” . Never mind Acts 4:12, that was a different historical context.
laurelmarycecilia
according to the.man.who.calls.himself.pope
Caroline03
This erroneous statement by the Cardinal is as malicious as when a presumed "Christian" claims that ALL Jews are globalist deniers of Jesus Christ

The truth is, that it is not their fault!

I can explain my statement. I have recently discovered that It is not apparent to C20th Jews that our Lord fulfils over 500 Old Testament prophecies, since some malicious scribe has deliberately reworded the …More
This erroneous statement by the Cardinal is as malicious as when a presumed "Christian" claims that ALL Jews are globalist deniers of Jesus Christ

The truth is, that it is not their fault!

I can explain my statement. I have recently discovered that It is not apparent to C20th Jews that our Lord fulfils over 500 Old Testament prophecies, since some malicious scribe has deliberately reworded the countless prophecies in the Jewish Tanakh (Our Old Testament) so that they can not be seen clearly as pertaining to Jesus.

There have been many errors (maliciously) sown into their Tanakh - somebody OBVIOUSLY AWARE THAT CERTAIN TEXTS ARE CLEARLY REFERRING TO JESUS CHRIST has deliberately mistranslated them

Here is just one example Compare the Translations of the Christian Bible for Psalm 22:16 a well known prophecy of the Crucifixion of their Messiah, This is the Psalm that Our Lord recited from the Cross.

Literal Standard Version
And You appoint Me to the dust of death, For dogs have surrounded Me, A company of evildoers has surrounded Me, Piercing My hands and My feet.

JPS Tanakh 1917
For dogs have encompassed me; A company of evil-doers have inclosed me; Like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.

biblehub.com/psalms/22-16.htm

Dead Sea Scrolls
16 For dogs have surrounded me.
A company of evildoers have enclosed me.
They have pierced[2] my hands and feet.

NB The (2) is a footnote on the DSS text, that there is controversy as regards the text on the Scrolls and the present translation shown in The Hebrew Bible . The footnote (2) says that the word on the Scrolls in "Pierced" It is translated as "Lion" in the Tanakh. the Translator says, to turn the word "Pierced" (as it says in the Scrolls) into "Lion" as it is translated in the Hebrew Bibles - a letter has been added that does not appear in the scrolls.

yhwh-qra.com/psalms-part-2.aspx
dssenglishbible.com/psalms 22.htm

Another example - just one of many O'T Prophecies.....

Zechariah 12:10 (A Trinitarian passage because "The Word" (The Old Testament Christ) and "God the Father" both speak together.

New International Version
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

JPS Tanakh 1917
And I will pour upon the house of David, And upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, The spirit of grace and of supplication; And they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; And they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, And shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.

biblehub.com/zechariah/12-10.htm

Dead Sea Scrolls
10 I will pour on David’s house, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they will look to me whom they have pierced; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son, and will grieve bitterly for him, as one grieves for his firstborn.
dssenglishbible.com/zechariah 12.htm

Isaiah 53 - In the Tanakh is more or less exactly the same in Jewish and Christian Bibles.
yhwh-qra.com/isaiah-49-58.aspx

However, it is never read in Jewish Liturgical Readings and is avoided.
bju.edu/…heology-in-3d/how-do-orthodox-jews-read-isaiah-53/


Unfortunately, many Modern Jews are not aware that this fraudulent mis-translation has been taking place.

Unless they....a) learn of the prophecy, b) realise it is frankly differing in their translation, and c) then rush to check the Dead Sea Scrolls versions

They may NEVER know!

“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then can they call on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”…

Amen!

Romans 10:14
Caroline03
Dr Brant Pitre - Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist youtube.com/watch?v=P45BHDRA7pU

stphilipcc.org/our-lady-of-zion

FOOTPRINTS OF GOD / DOCUMENTARIES FILMED IN ISRAEL

Dr Steve Ray - Peter
The Footprints of God: Peter Keeper of the Keys.
Dr Steve Ray - Mary
The Footprints of God: Mary The Mother of God.
Dr Steve Ray - Paul
The Footprints of God: Paul Contending for the Fait…More
Dr Brant Pitre - Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist youtube.com/watch?v=P45BHDRA7pU

stphilipcc.org/our-lady-of-zion

FOOTPRINTS OF GOD / DOCUMENTARIES FILMED IN ISRAEL

Dr Steve Ray - Peter
The Footprints of God: Peter Keeper of the Keys.
Dr Steve Ray - Mary
The Footprints of God: Mary The Mother of God.
Dr Steve Ray - Paul
The Footprints of God: Paul Contending for the Faith.
Eucharistic Miracles: Scientific Proof that Eucharist is the Body of Christ
youtube.com/watch?v=r2gtNiiMmzU
Targum study collected from various sources and studies from the internet
oneinmessiah.net/TargumMemraTheWordOfGod.htm
The Early Church Fathers, John 1:1, and the Pre-Existence of Christ
archive.orgforananswer.org
The Triunity (Trinity) of God in The Old Testament
godandscience.org/apologetics/triunity.html
Word of the Lord in the Targums
juchre.org/articles/word.htm

The Memra and the Logos: When God’s Word dwelt alive amongst humans
youtube.com/watch?v=9Ve3xec6lyw

Ancient Jewish Writings About the Trinity
archive.orglayevangelism.com/qreference/chapter10e.htm
Hand of Peace Documentary
youtube.com/watch?v=afpO7ltY-Ao

Fatima 1917
youtube.com/watch?v=Mah6s61MtHM

The Apparitions at La Sallette, 1846
fordham.edu/mod/1846sallette.asp

A Cycle of events is happening NOW that happened just prior to the first coming of Christ are we near the End? This video is about fa more than Vatican II. It stretches back into the Old Testament and proves we are reliving the time of the Apostasy at the time of the Maccabees NOW!
youtube.com/watch?v=t7T4zMgXKhk
V.R.S.
"Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist "
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It's a blasphemy and heresy. The Eucharist is the Sacrament and the Sacrifice of the New and Eternal Law and has nothing to do with Jews or Jewishness. Like Vatican II pseudoecumenists you try to find "the Jewish Roots" of the living God.
Caroline03
@V.R.S. Can you just find time to view the video?

St Justin Martyr (whom some write was a direct disciple of St John) depicted the paschal lamb as being offered in the form of a cross and he claimed that the manner in which the paschal lamb was slaughtered prefigured the crucifixion of Jesus.
archive.orgccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.iv.xl.html

Our Lord created an awful lot of rituals during …More
@V.R.S. Can you just find time to view the video?

St Justin Martyr (whom some write was a direct disciple of St John) depicted the paschal lamb as being offered in the form of a cross and he claimed that the manner in which the paschal lamb was slaughtered prefigured the crucifixion of Jesus.
archive.orgccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.iv.xl.html

Our Lord created an awful lot of rituals during the Old Testament . Since He creates perfectly, He never errs, which is why the orthodox RC spiritual practices are so reminiscent of authentic Judaism as it was practiced during the days of the Old Covenant.

Since you are Catholic, take a look at the book of Ezekiel around 32 onward, and read the occasional regulations being laid down by the Lord through the following chapters. Our Lord's instructions as to how Priests are to behave before, during and after their Liturgical Worship. It is strict adherence to those Old Covenant liturgical norms that the Traditional RC Priesthood remains so pious and the none Traditional Priests give the impression (when you read the norms for Priests in the Old Testament) that they are not following the rules laid down by God to a high enough degree.

We use Bread in our Sacred Rites because during the Old Covenant, they did also. The. Eucharist offering, stems from the Old Testament, in many ways. The "bread of the presence" ( Bread upon which the presence of God rested) was placed in the Temple in Jerusalem, prepared fresh daily and placed before the Lord at all times. God transformed PERFECTLY and SEAMLESSLY HIS Old Covenant practices Into a New Covenant. However, the New Covenant Eucharist contains the literal body of Christ, and is miraculously now the LIVING Manna from Heaven, and the Old Covenant Bread and wine liturgical ritual celebrated by Melchizadek remains also. yet is transformed into the literal body of Our Lord (since Christ, Our High Priest is a Priest FOREVER akin to Melchizadek)

These were all Jewish rituals - which are transformed by their Creator, GOD, into His New Covenant. The reason we have Benediction is because the Manna received by the Israelites was placed within the Tabernacle in the Desert and venerated in a golden Chalice. The Chalice was veiled and taken through the camp as the faithful looked on in awe. Moses said as he carried the Manna "Behold God's LOVE for you!" The origins of Eucharistic Benediction today.

To exhibit such fear that Roman Catholicism is by necessity a religion with a firm foundation in authentic Jewish practices and rituals is wrong to be quite honest. The entire CHURCH stems from the Old Testament - that is why only the Traditional Roman Catholic Church IS the New Covenant Temple of Christ. , That video explains why Catholics worship in the way they do. It explains why we are not Protestants. Since God is True, and doesn't err, practices of the Old Covenant could never be cast aside - but are instead, Transformed.

A certain hatred comes across in some people's communications which claim that our Holy Church has a God who was not the same God who was worshiped by His people the Jews. A pretty strange approach for a Jewish Messiah is it not? Christ was born amongst the Jews, He spoke to the Prophets - you can read His words throughout the Old Testament. He transformed the Old Covenant which is why everything within the RC Church has Jewish Roots.

It's nonsense to feel hostility towards the Jewish Roots of our Faith. It;s resentment. A hatred/fear/Jealousy that obviously doesn't originate in Christ because He was Jewish. so are the roots of our Catholic Faith.

Enjoy the Blessed Sacrament - if you see the above video - you'll see It transforms THOSE practices of the Old Covenant, which were not abrogated, merely transformed into His New Covenant.

1) A sin offering to the Jews was a slain Lamb - which took upon itself the sins of the penitent . It was a ritual carried out by the Priest in the Temple. That was the OLD Covenant Lamb of atonement. Christ destroyed the Jewish Temple, as He is FOREVER the only acceptable sin offering - His Sacrifice is renewed and re-enacted every day in Mass.. St John the Baptist identified Him as "Behold the Lamb of God who taketh away the Sins of the World"

2) The Passover Lamb. In order to fulfill the Passover you HAVE to eat the Passover Lamb, Christ IS the Passover Lamb, He died on the Jewish Feast of Passover. The reason Easter is not celebrated on April 13th (the known date of death of our Lord) is because Catholicism follows the Old Covenant Feast Day of the Jews, Check this - each year the Jewish Feast of Passover, is also our Good (sometimes Traditionally "God" Friday. That is why the Orthodox Church is incorrect to make Easter independent of the Biblical instructions for the annual date of Passover found within the Bible. Our Easter occurs each year upon the exact same date as the Passover of the Jews. Announcing that Our Lord IS their Passover Lamb.

3) He is the Living Manna

4) He is the Bread of the Presence that was kept in the Temple

All this is shown and discussed on the above video - it is clear that the Temple of Christ is rooted firmly within the Practices and Ritualistic Traditions of the Jewish Old Covenant.
V.R.S.
"Our Lord created an awful lot of rituals during the Old Testament"
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All rituals of the Old Law ended with the New Law. All the figures of the Old Testament relevant for us as Catholics were fulfilled in Christ. The Old Law died on the Cross as Pius XII wrote in Mystici Corporis Christi. The rest e.g.:
"To exhibit such fear that Roman Catholicism is by necessity a religion with a firm foundati…More
"Our Lord created an awful lot of rituals during the Old Testament"
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All rituals of the Old Law ended with the New Law. All the figures of the Old Testament relevant for us as Catholics were fulfilled in Christ. The Old Law died on the Cross as Pius XII wrote in Mystici Corporis Christi. The rest e.g.:
"To exhibit such fear that Roman Catholicism is by necessity a religion with a firm foundation in authentic Jewish practices and rituals is wrong"
"practices of the Old Covenant could never be cast aside"

is a judaizing heterodox and - yes - even heretical (cf. e.g. Ex quo primum of Benedict XIV, Leo the Great - De passione Domini, sermones III, VI, VII) baloney. In particular there is no "Jewish necessity" of the Catholic Faith that naturalists and modernists (of cloaca maxima of different heresies) claim.
And heretical videos I do not watch.

Therefore, please end your scandalous, naturalist statements, e.g. " the Jewish Roots of our Faith" that offend greviously us Catholics.
The roots of our Faith are supernatural and heavenly not Jewish, Roman or whatever earthly nation.

Concerning the origin of Christ - ""doesn't originate in Christ because He was Jewish. so are the roots of our Catholic Faith."
No sane Catholic before the Vatican II would have said that "Christ was Jewish" - cf. how the Creed or St. Paul describes Him (the latter: "Whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all things, God blessed for ever. Amen." (Romans 9,5)
"Wherefore henceforth, we know no man according to the flesh. And if we have known Christ according to the flesh; but now we know him so no longer" (2 Cor 5,16)).Such statement would be deemed scandalous and favouring christological heresies.

-"Enjoy the Blessed Sacrament - if you see the above video - you'll see It transforms THOSE practices of the Old Covenant, which were not abrogated, merely transformed into His New Covenant."
To hold that the Sanctissimum - Real and Substantial Christ is a mere transformation of Jewish practices is heretical and, as I said above, blasphemous. Your claim is a naturalist mistake of causal relationships - you confuse the cause (including the First Cause) with the effect:
E.g. the manna was given to the Jews because of the Blessed Sacrament (as a prefiguration) not the Blessed Sacrament was given because of the manna (and Moses benedictions upon it and so on). Moreover, the manna was heavenly not Jewish (and on the earthly level as the said prefiguration was more Catholic than Jewish).
It's a very pernicious error of today. When you fall into that pit you will dare to say a lot of baloney e.g.:
"Moses said as he carried the Manna "Behold God's LOVE for you!" The origins of Eucharistic Benediction today."

PS "A certain hatred comes across in some people's communications which claim that our Holy Church has a God who was not the same God who was worshiped by His people the Jews"
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Yes, "was worshipped" by "His people" who after the death of Christ on the Cross found their place as apostles and faithful of His Catholic Church. Take notice that the main group who dares to rise such a claim are Jews of today. They claim there is no Old Testament (because it implies the New One).
Ultraviolet
" But the Judaism practiced today, is not the same as that at the time of Christ"

The Catholicism practiced today, is not the same as that at the time of Christ, either. The Mass isn't said in Aramaic, is it? That doesn't make Catholicism a different religion.

"It is younger than Christianity, and much is based on the highly blasphemous Talmud. "

Not all Jews follow the Talmud, bigot-boy.More
" But the Judaism practiced today, is not the same as that at the time of Christ"

The Catholicism practiced today, is not the same as that at the time of Christ, either. The Mass isn't said in Aramaic, is it? That doesn't make Catholicism a different religion.

"It is younger than Christianity, and much is based on the highly blasphemous Talmud. "

Not all Jews follow the Talmud, bigot-boy. You and E. Michael Jones always forget that. Also, Judaism existed BEFORE Christ and continued AFTER Christ for centuries BEFORE Talmud was compiled. Mainstream Judaism absorbed the Talmud after Christ's death just as Catholicism absorbed the writings of St. Paul after Christ's death.

You don't know Church history and you've bought into the Bigot's Bible preached by E. Michael Jones.
Caroline03
@ V.R.S So many alteration are now made to the Tanakh that It is possible to read it and not see clearly that the foretold Messiah is Christ. All the 500 or so clear prophecies that are (obviously) fulfilled in Jesus, have been deliberately altered, Condemn the people who maliciously corrupted them if you want to.

However, Our Lord realised that certain people would see that the countless prophe…More
@ V.R.S So many alteration are now made to the Tanakh that It is possible to read it and not see clearly that the foretold Messiah is Christ. All the 500 or so clear prophecies that are (obviously) fulfilled in Jesus, have been deliberately altered, Condemn the people who maliciously corrupted them if you want to.

However, Our Lord realised that certain people would see that the countless prophecies of Him would be corrupted, and that is obviously why He saw to it that the Dead Sea Scrolls were set aside in caves, to be unearthed in order to help the Jews during this era. The DSS have confirmed to Roman Catholics that our Bible is accurate, but more importantly, they stand as valid testimony to the Jews that their own Scriptures are the ones that have been maliciously adjusted so that no-one reading them has any idea who Jesus is.

As Luther somewhat re-created Our Lord, a similar attempt was made within Judaism, - to recreate their Messiah

We seem to be sitting on a gold mine, that none-denominational Scriptural Scholars are salvaging. It's best possibly not to confuse this gold with "mere dirt under our feet" They do not apostatize until they know the truth and refuse to submit to it.

Start mining - and valuing those God hopes you will bring into His Heavenly Jerusalem VRS - See these....

WE can do this.....

youtube.com/watch?v=cGz9BVJ_k6s
youtube.com/watch?v=vRHpthICsEM

@Ultraviolet Thanks for your comment. God Bless you. A common error is that people misquote Apoc/Rev 3:9 They say that Christ refers to ALL Jews as being "The Synagogue of Satan" That's not what the Text says. The passage says that there are people who say they are Jews BUT ARE NOT - it is those that Christ calls" the Synagogue of Satan."

So,when Christ mentions the Jews who THINK they are Jews, but are in reality "The Synagogue of Satan" He is speaking of those people presumably Jews who have discovered that He is their Messiah and are trying to destroy the evidence that supports it. ie Those who deliberately lie and eradicate those passages within their Bible Translations that PROVE without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus truly IS the fulfilment of the Prophecies within Scripture. Also the Banking/Globalist/Political types who either call themselves "Jews" or "Roman Catholics" Rev 3:9 no doubt relates to the Joe Biden's, Nancy Pelosi, and Francis' of this world also..

Those numskulls who Christ refers to "The Synagogue of Satan". are clearly a different set of people to the Israeli's who are to be seen BEING instructed in the above videos. Give people the TRUTH and they evaluate it. BUT they must hear the truth first! I just watched the conversion story of a former Jewish man. He was told by his Grandmother not to read the New Testament as the people who wrote it hated and persecuted Jews. He said that he thought Jesus was an Italian. After speaking to a born-again Christian he discovered that Jesus was Jewish and not Italian. He may one day join the RC Church if he enters stage two of his conversion. It seems the Born-Again lot found him since we were not looking!

With corrupted texts - (apart from Isaiah 53 which seems to have been only slightly corrupted) how on earth would anyone ever find Christ in the Jewish Tanakh! Mind you, a lot of Jews upon reading the text "Like a Lion (they gnaw) My hands and feet" HAVE looked into the potty translation in Psalm 22 and learned that some scam is being practiced on them when they compare it with the translation of Psalm 22 in the dead sea scrolls. However, more are more likely to seek instruction of their Rabbi (as we would Our Priest) and enquire of him what the passage means. Having seen for myself the explanations of some of the Rabbis, It becomes obvious that they are akin to those that St Stephen addressed in the Book of Acts. St Stephen,has been known for 2000 years as the first Catholic Martyr.He was a greek speaking Jew who lived as all Christ's first Disciples, the life of a faithful Jew in Jerusalem. He believed in Christ and was martyred, a Deacon of the Church in AD 33

“You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!" Acts 7:51

biblehub.com/acts/7-51.htm

Take time to view the above videos Ultraviolet. It becomes obvious that we have a job to do! See none-Catholic evangelists aping St Anthony of Padua attempting to convert people in Israel. No-one has proved to those street-evangelicals that Our Lord founded a True Church. Yet they stand there fearlessly in a potentially dangerous street, seeking to convert people - obviously quite willing to be martyred?
V.R.S.
"The point I was trying to make was this. So many alteration are now made to the Tanakh that It is possible to read it and not see clearly that the foretold Messiah is Christ.'
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... which confirms that rabbinic judaism is corrupted not only in its Talmudic part.

"Condemn the people who maliciously corrupted them if you want to."
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Neither I nor the Church has been caring of the corruption …More
"The point I was trying to make was this. So many alteration are now made to the Tanakh that It is possible to read it and not see clearly that the foretold Messiah is Christ.'
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... which confirms that rabbinic judaism is corrupted not only in its Talmudic part.

"Condemn the people who maliciously corrupted them if you want to."
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Neither I nor the Church has been caring of the corruption inside the false religion. The Jews were always the point of missionary activity of the Church not the anathemas which were ecumenical e.g. pointed to those belonging to the House (of God). However, they were becoming the point of interest for the Magisterium, bishops and the Inquisition whenever they started to judaize or, whenever the members of the Church started to spread the poison.

"However, Our Lord realised that certain people would see that the countless prophecies of Him would be corrupted, and that is obviously why He saw to it that the Dead Sea Scrolls were set aside in caves, to be unearthed in order to help the Jews during this era."
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The brand new better revelation? Or the Newer and Better Testament? Our Lord provided to the Jews all prophecies and signs necessary to recognize Him as true Messiah which is explicitly confirmed by Him in the Gospels. The Revelation ended with the last of the Apostles and was entrusted to the Church. The rest is a mere human, non-Catholic speculation typical for pseudo-apocalyptic sects of turbulent times or neo-gnosticism.

"As Luther somewhat re-created Our Lord, a similar attempt was made within Judaism, - to recreate their Messiah"
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Judaism rejected their Messiah. The rest of the long (over 2000 year) false judaism story is looking for substitute i.e. false messiahs. The last attempt - a kind of mockery of the Christ sacrifice - is the collective messiah of so-called Holocaust (sacrifice).

"We seem to be sitting on a gold mine"
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We are sitting in the treasury of gold. Nothing is hidden and all has been for 2,000 years ready to "be preached on the housetops". The problem is: people leave that treasury to search for mythical gold mines of (syncretic) king Solomon.
Another problem - I agree - is the missionary crisis in the Church (carefully planned and prepared by the "synagogue of Satan" as Pius IX calls freemasonry in his Etsi multa and their friends) in the era of the utmost easiness of communication. But where does a "wise" man hide the leaf of the Truth? In the forest of misinformation. And it is prevailing tactics of today.

"A common error is that people misquote Apoc/Rev 3:9 They say that Christ refers to ALL Jews as being "The Synagogue of Satan" That's not what the Text says. The passage says that there are people who say they are Jews BUT ARE NOT - it is those that Christ calls" the Synagogue of Satan." So,when Christ mentions the Jews who THINK they are Jews, but are in reality "The Synagogue of Satan" He is speaking of those people presumably Jews who have discovered that He is their Messiah and are trying to destroy the evidence that supports it."
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St. John, author of the Apocalypse expands the above teaching in his 1st Epistle:
"I have not written to you as to them that know not the truth, but as to them that know it: and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father, and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son, hath the Father also". (cf. also: John 5.23, 5.45-46, 3.18, 3.36, 15.22-23, Luke 10.16, 11.29-32, 20.17-18).
Ergo: most probably the "synagogue of Satan": people who think that they follow Moses and the Mosaic tradition (but in fact - they are in rupture with it by rejecting Christ) and who will be condemned even by the people of Nineveh. The second possibility: baptized Jews judaizing inside the local church.
Caroline03
@V.R.S Why can you not understand that your hostility would be a drawback to anyone converting to Roman Catholicism. You have painted a picture of the Church that is not true. Forever, God has been venerated through Bread and wine and Sacrifices offered to Him for the forgiveness of sins.. The NEW Covenant has altered the way these are offered since it is through Christ's Body and Blood that we …More
@V.R.S Why can you not understand that your hostility would be a drawback to anyone converting to Roman Catholicism. You have painted a picture of the Church that is not true. Forever, God has been venerated through Bread and wine and Sacrifices offered to Him for the forgiveness of sins.. The NEW Covenant has altered the way these are offered since it is through Christ's Body and Blood that we gain Salvation and forgiveness of sins. This is very Jewish in itself and it should be explained to them. Anger, spite and full-thrown resentment is not a right approach. Neither is judging souls to be deliberately refusing to accept Christ! That can not be judged by us, to pass such a judgement is NOT our right. Only GOD knows things like that. We need to put personal views to one side and just seek to make people love Christ! Not hate Him! Many people who are Jews just need to be informed of the errors in their Scriptural Translations.

All within the Old Covenant has been bought to an end, but it HAS evolved into a new Covenant. Why don't you accept that millions of Jews are NOT Freemasons? Identically, some people unjustly say to us that all Roman Catholics worship Mary and are all going to Hell for denying Christ is the One true way to gain Salvation.. Neither statements are true.

Help Hebrews to understand. They need to know of the reasons why changes were made, Circumcision transformed into Baptism, Sacrificial Lambs into ONE Sacrificial Lamb sent by God. I agree that It would be a dire offence against God for a 3rd Temple to be built and offerings of Lambs be made when God has forbidden it since the Sacrifice of Christ is the only acceptable pure, perfect sin offering . And yes, Circumcision can not be received as the waters of Baptism are necessary within His New Covenant in order to gain eternal life However, . I do not agree with your attitude towards people who do not intentionally mean to dishonour God. You are prickly and discourteous to ME (who have never done anything to hurt you,) and I would prefer to be martyred than deny Christ . Yet you behave towards me your fellow Catholic as though it is a waste of time for you to be charitable to me - How can you convert and befriend none Christians especially the Jews - if you don't even convince me that I'm worthy! LOVE as well as true Doctrine converts people, and there are ways of explaining the New Covenant to those who definitely do not understand it and they must think you are not a nice person.
Apologies but anger is not the right approach to convert anyone.
V.R.S.
@Caroline03
"Why can you not understand that your hostility would be a drawback to anyone converting to Roman Catholicism. You have painted a picture of the Church that is not "
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Unfortunately, Dear Madam, nobody is able to help anyone convert to Roman Catholicism if his/her doctrine is not Catholic. More examples from your last comment:
- evolutionism and mobilism: "All within the Old Covena…More
@Caroline03
"Why can you not understand that your hostility would be a drawback to anyone converting to Roman Catholicism. You have painted a picture of the Church that is not "
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Unfortunately, Dear Madam, nobody is able to help anyone convert to Roman Catholicism if his/her doctrine is not Catholic. More examples from your last comment:
- evolutionism and mobilism: "All within the Old Covenant has been bought to an end, but it HAS evolved into a new Covenant." (illogical - bringing to an end excludes a mutation or evolution) , "Circumcision transformed into Baptism,"
- modernism and naturalism: "Forever, God has been venerated through Bread and wine and Sacrifices offered to Him for the forgiveness of sins. The NEW Covenant has altered the way these are offered ", "Help Hebrews to understand. They need to know of the reasons why changes were made".
Again - you take an archetype or a prefiguration (as in case of the Melchisedeh offering or the circumcision) for the early stage of the evolution. The New Covenant was New (though prophetised and prefigured in the Old Testament) . Old offerings were abolished not altered. They were unsuccessful and could not bring atonement or forgiveness of sins. The new and clean sacrifice was prophetised by prophet Malachy (Mal 1,10 et seq. cf. also e.g. 1 Cor 10,20). I wonder how you can - as the Catholic:
- hold the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross and the Sacrifice of the Mass (where the Christ's Sacrifice on the Cross is made present) as the "alteration" of earlier unclean sacrifices,
- see the sacrament of Baptism - the sign of grace removing sins and cleansing the soul as the "transformation" of circumcision that removed only a small part of the body,
it seems that your soul is in a very grave danger.
Your antropological evolutionary stance is dangerously close to the modernist claim of evolution risen e.g. in the following statement condemned by St. Pius X in Lamentabili:
"Christian Doctrine was originally Judaic. Through successive evolutions it became first Pauline, then Joannine, finally Hellenic and universal."

"You are prickly and discourteous to ME "
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I am not in mood to be courteous to anybody who does not take the opportunity to stop preaching non-Catholic opinions. In previous comments I referred to the errors, you attacked me with phony accusations and added... new erroneous statements.

"and they must think you are not a nice person"
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Perhaps, because I'm from the Catholic Church of Nicea not from the modern church of the nice.

"there are ways of explaining the New Covenant to those who definitely do not understand it "
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Certainly, teaching them errors does not belong to the above ways.

"Help Hebrews to understand [the evolution???]"
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What are they supposed to understand? If they do not follow the prophets and accept the sign of Jonah they won't get anything else, Our Lord said.

To say that the New Covenant: " is very Jewish in itself and it should be explained to them"
would be a lie. Of course, the phase preceding the New Covenant can be called "very Jewish" - they got the Old Law to keep the faith in one God amidst waves of paganism, they got prophets to wait for and recognize the Messiah (whether they kept the above faith and respected the prophets was another question). They were told: the Messiah would come, not: go and evolve into the Messiah.
But (apart from the apostles and disciples) they were disappointed when the Messiah had come. The Messiah was not Jewish enough for them and their highest authorities decided to get rid of the Messiah. It did not solve the problem. His Apostles went to the ends of the earth preaching that He had ended the difference between the Jews and the goyim. That's the key point for years. If you do not convince them that there is neither Greek nor Jew all the missionary attempts will be futile.

To cut the long discussion short:
the "very Jewish" distorted version of Christianity is the way to judaize the Christians not to convert the Jews.
Ultraviolet
"God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow." @Steve D

God is not Catholicism, you half-witted bigot. I said, "Catholicism practiced today, is not the same..."

"The Catholic faith has not changed."


The Catholic Faith and the Catholic Mass are not the same, either, dummy. Mass still said in Aramaic, yes or no? Also, list which readings from St. Paul were part of the early Mass before…More
"God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow." @Steve D

God is not Catholicism, you half-witted bigot. I said, "Catholicism practiced today, is not the same..."

"The Catholic faith has not changed."


The Catholic Faith and the Catholic Mass are not the same, either, dummy. Mass still said in Aramaic, yes or no? Also, list which readings from St. Paul were part of the early Mass before Paul converted. I'll wait. You're so easy to knock over :P

"You're not Catholic, are you? Just admit it."

...said the guy who couldn't quote the Douay-Rheims bible without lousing it up. :D

...and was corrected by the guy he's accusing now. I know my Scripture better'n you do, Tex. I know my history better too.

This much is certain. You aren't a Catholic no matter how many times you parade around in Church making mockery the Sacraments and defiling the Eucharist with your filthy bigoted sewer-hole of a mouth.

It's a natural outlet for the septic-tank you call a skull. But what a terrible place for the Body and Blood of Christ.

"How is it possible to practice Judaism without a Temple, priesthood and animal sacrifice?"

Every synagogue has become Temple, Rabbis are their priests, and Korban simply evolved.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Korban

The pale white Communion wafer disc of today is not the rough, thick, loaf Christ broke and gave to his Apostles.

'...that's why God allowed the Temple to be destroyed. Catholicism 101."

That's E. Michael Jones 101, not Catholicism, dummy. He doesn't speak for God, you don't speak for God and neither of you brainless bigots can quote Scripture where anyone speaking for God gave that as a reason.

"All you have is sophistry and ad-hominem attacks....yawn."

Like, "You're not Catholic, are you? Just admit it." ???

No, that's you, hoss. -not a good look for a cry-baby whose sensitive-snowflake feelings were SO hurt you were going to go to the police and complain about "cyber-bullying" and "harassment".

How does that square against cyber-bullying and harassment, Stevie? How indeed? Well, you better saddle up and ride right on down to yer local sherriff, pronto.

Go look up what ad hominem attacks actually are, dummy. Insulting you AFTER I've proven you wrong isn't "an ad-hominem attack".. Insulting you instead of proving you wrong would be.

And I rarely miss a chance to do THAT. :D. As usual, you're wrong, you have a big mouth, and both of them make a fool out of you again.

You should check what "sophistry" means, too. "D is for Dictionary" Steve D

Is that a word E. Michael Jones taught you? Go play with your cap-guns, cowboy. Leave GTV for the grown-ups.
Ultraviolet
"Too many lies, half-truths and the usual ad-hominem attacks to keep up with them all."

...which explains why you can't illustrate any of them. @Steve D Saying it and showing it ain't the same thing, cow-poke. Repeating your propaganda won't make it true, no matter what Josef Goebbesl taught you. You're still a liar.

"And yes, if this website was properly monitored, you would have been kick…More
"Too many lies, half-truths and the usual ad-hominem attacks to keep up with them all."

...which explains why you can't illustrate any of them. @Steve D Saying it and showing it ain't the same thing, cow-poke. Repeating your propaganda won't make it true, no matter what Josef Goebbesl taught you. You're still a liar.

"And yes, if this website was properly monitored, you would have been kicked off long ago and possibly face criminal charges for threatening to "stomp me to the curb".

If this website had the normal posting standards, we wouldn't have this conversation. you would have been kicked off for being a bigot and contradicting Catholic teachings.

Skip you penny-ante lawyer gimmick, bigot-boy. When I say I'm going to curb-stomp you all over the site, it has no basis in the physical world. You stink at playing victim, you pathetic cry-baby.

Seriiously, I'm calling your bluff, Tex. Go complain to the police. You told me you were going to. So why haven't you? I think I know. Threatening people with "the police" is popular white-trash scare-tactic down South.

"Ah'm gonna go to da Po-Leese!" ...then the other redneck "gits scaird" the police are going to find his meth-lab. Well, that doesn't work on regular folks up North, Tex. I don't I'm not one of your white-trash neighbors in the Lone Star State and I don't have that same guilty conscience to exploit.

Friendly word of advice, sucking up to V.R.S. won't stop him from turning on you in an instant if he's bored and there's a chance for him to bring up medieval history.
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Ultraviolet
It's the other way around. ;-) I can shut V.R.S. down in one post. Did so just last night on the Great Schism of 1054. --and that's even in his chosen "specialty" of history

V.R.S "blocks" me and pushes his agenda under posts made by like-minded users who also "block" me from replying. There's a reason for that. Same reason you block me, cry-baby. I don't block either of you because I beat …More
It's the other way around. ;-) I can shut V.R.S. down in one post. Did so just last night on the Great Schism of 1054. --and that's even in his chosen "specialty" of history

V.R.S "blocks" me and pushes his agenda under posts made by like-minded users who also "block" me from replying. There's a reason for that. Same reason you block me, cry-baby. I don't block either of you because I beat you every time you step up.

Losers "block" because they're tired of losing. Winners don't because we don't need to.

There's nothing false in accusing you of anti-Semitic bigotry. "I am anti-Judaism as it is today because..." -Steve D (Aug. 11, 2021)
Ultraviolet
Degenerate?...that's a funny accusation from a Texan since it's always the South that has a sadly well-deserved reputation abusing barnyard animals and incest.

Whut happens on tha Lone Star Ranch stays there, eh? ;-) That's why the cows are always fussin' and your sister hates you and both of you hate your Paw when he gits drunk an' Momma's away visitin' her kin. :D

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Degenerate?...that's a funny accusation from a Texan since it's always the South that has a sadly well-deserved reputation abusing barnyard animals and incest.

Whut happens on tha Lone Star Ranch stays there, eh? ;-) That's why the cows are always fussin' and your sister hates you and both of you hate your Paw when he gits drunk an' Momma's away visitin' her kin. :D

No, you block because blocking is what sore losers do when they're sore.

It's ironic since, you people are always the ones screaming about "Jewish media censorship". But the moment a website gives you the slightest bit of power to censor other people, how ever ineffectively, you immediately do so. You can't handle an open exchange of ideas because you lose just like you've been doing here.

This is why I have such open contempt for you contempo Jew-haters. You're hypocrites, every last stinking miserable one of you.
V.R.S.
"There's a reason for that"
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Yes, there's a reason. In opposition to insanity.
Ultraviolet
...like the "insanity" of the Britannica Online contradicting you on when the Great Schism occurred. :D Right about now you should change the subject and claim the definition of "insanity" is "post-modern". That used to be your go-to tactic whenever you were proven wrong on factual grounds.
Ultraviolet
The Catechism contradicts the Cardinal (CCC 605) "The Church, following the apostles, teaches that Christ died for all men without exception: "There is not, never has been, and never will be a single human being for whom Christ did not suffer."
stjoseph2
The Holy Bible

Christ shall be slain, and the people who shall deny Him shall not be his. Daniel 9:26

The Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, do not please God, and they have become adversaries to all men, to fill up their sin always; for the wrath of God has come upon them to the end. I Thessalonians 2:14-16

Whosoever denies the Son does not have the Father. I St. John 2:23 …More
The Holy Bible

Christ shall be slain, and the people who shall deny Him shall not be his. Daniel 9:26

The Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, do not please God, and they have become adversaries to all men, to fill up their sin always; for the wrath of God has come upon them to the end. I Thessalonians 2:14-16

Whosoever denies the Son does not have the Father. I St. John 2:23

Just a few scriptures to meditate on. God bless
Ultraviolet
Daniel 9:26
Christ's willing sacrifice for all mankind isn't negated by mankind if they choose to reject His sacrifice. If I hand you a hundred bucks and you decide to throw it on the ground, that doesn't change the fact I did hand you a hundred bucks. You just didn't want it. Your loss

I Thessalonians 2:14-16
The Jews who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets have been dead for over …More
Daniel 9:26
Christ's willing sacrifice for all mankind isn't negated by mankind if they choose to reject His sacrifice. If I hand you a hundred bucks and you decide to throw it on the ground, that doesn't change the fact I did hand you a hundred bucks. You just didn't want it. Your loss

I Thessalonians 2:14-16
The Jews who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets have been dead for over two thousand years. They may "not please God" but that doesn't change what God did for them. God's just ticked that bunch in Jerusalem had His Son killed and and also rejected His sacrifice.

John 2:23
Denying the Son and having not The Father has no bearing on the sacrifice the Son made for those who deny Him.

Quoting the Bible isn't the same ascorrectly applying such quotations.. This is the mistake Lutherans always make through "Sola Scriptura" especially down South and out West.

"Ah just done quoted Th' Good Book so that there proves ah'm right."
Werte
@Ultraviolet, @stjoseph2 Great quotes. Thanks.
atreverse pensar
But point 605 does not affirm that Jesus is the only saviour of the world.
atreverse pensar
As the Bible and the Council of Trent affirm.
Ultraviolet
"But point 605 does not affirm that Jesus is the only saviour of the world."

Nor does it state, much less imply otherwise. ;-)
Ultraviolet
"God is displeased with them UNTIL THE END (Douay-Rheims)." @Steve D

The phrase "UNTIL THE END" does not appear in the (Douay-Rheims) translastion of the passage. As usual is for Dummy, Steve-D. :D

What the Doay-Rheims translation DOES say is "for the wrath of God is come upon them to the end."

Paul is predicting God's wrath for "both killed the Lord Jesus, and the prophets, and have perse…More
"God is displeased with them UNTIL THE END (Douay-Rheims)." @Steve D

The phrase "UNTIL THE END" does not appear in the (Douay-Rheims) translastion of the passage. As usual is for Dummy, Steve-D. :D

What the Doay-Rheims translation DOES say is "for the wrath of God is come upon them to the end."

Paul is predicting God's wrath for "both killed the Lord Jesus, and the prophets, and have persecuted us". at the final judgement (to the end). That doesn't change the fact they've been dead for 2000 years and it isn't Scriptural support for your anti-Semitic bigotry.

"and yet they still reject the Logos"
-as does every non-Christian on the planet, but that doesn't bother you and E. Michael Jones. What bothers you are Jews, not the rejection of the Logos. Bigots are hypocrites who fail at Douay-Rheims the way the fail at history. :D
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Ultraviolet
D is for "Douay-Rheims"@Steve D Y'all need to check your sources before runnin' yer dang-fool mouth, Tex. Factuallly-based correction ain't "sophistry" so yer only makin' a bigger fool of yourself than you have already.
Ultraviolet
I'm not St. Paul but you misquoted him, because you don't know Scripture. You can't side-step that, dummy. :P

"You sound like Bergoglio and his anti-Catholic interpretation of St Paul vis-a-vis the Jews."

His interpretation of Catholic teachings is shared by former popes. "To be anti-Semitic also signifies being anti-Christian."-Pope Benedict XVI."

That's the previous Pope curb-stomping…More
I'm not St. Paul but you misquoted him, because you don't know Scripture. You can't side-step that, dummy. :P

"You sound like Bergoglio and his anti-Catholic interpretation of St Paul vis-a-vis the Jews."

His interpretation of Catholic teachings is shared by former popes. "To be anti-Semitic also signifies being anti-Christian."-Pope Benedict XVI."

That's the previous Pope curb-stomping you, Tex. Go tell the Texas PD that a dying, 94 year old German former-pope "just done beat yore dumb mouf in real good." Maybe they can arrest him, too. :P

E. Michael Jones' anti-Semitism has been repeatedly condemned by practically every Pope since WWII. This isn't just "Bergoglio", dummy. You don't know your Church history, or you just choose to ignore it when you wish. Btw...

Genetic Fallacy. It isn't automatically wrong just because it comes from Pope Francis INB4 you call getting corrected "sophistry" again. Typical Goebbels trick. Repeat the falsehood.

"And yet despite that, they killed our Lord and continued persecuting Christians...even to this day."

Wrong. All Jews did not kill our Lord. A very specific group of Jewish leaders in one city did at one point. There were Jews all over Palestine at that time who never even met our Lord.

Likewise, all Jews don't continue persecuting Christians... even to this day. Go back to Stormfront, bigot-boy. Your garbage is just THIS easy to disprove. I'm not even needing citations at this point.

But they still consider themselves "chosen".

...and you just said they were, you half-wit. "The Jews were specifically chosen by God" Your words. Whoops.

"Jews today continue to reject Christ..."

..as does every non-Christian on the planet. But that doesn't bother you. Jews bother you because you're a Jew-hater and a bigot.

"And why God's wrath has come upon them until the end"

Quoting you...

"LOL!!!That's not what 1 Thessalonians 2:14 says. Nice revisionist history there, are you Martin Luther?"

Might be true in your case. Luther was a fanatical anti-Semite just like you and E. Michael Jones.

Yeah, I'm rubbing your nose in your own stupid quote, bigot-boy. Go call the Texas PD and see if they'll arrest me for assault. :D
Ultraviolet
"Anyway..."

Anyway You misquoted St. Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14.

1.)
...because a few Jewish leaders in Jerusalem 2000 years ago can lawfully speak for every Jew alive at the time and every Jew ever born afterwards. Wrong. Does Pope Francis speak for every Catholic? Does Joe Biden speak for every American. Failed logic, bigot-boy. I've seen anti-Semites pull this one before, too.

2.)
St. …More
"Anyway..."

Anyway You misquoted St. Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14.

1.)
...because a few Jewish leaders in Jerusalem 2000 years ago can lawfully speak for every Jew alive at the time and every Jew ever born afterwards. Wrong. Does Pope Francis speak for every Catholic? Does Joe Biden speak for every American. Failed logic, bigot-boy. I've seen anti-Semites pull this one before, too.

2.)
St. Stephen was addressing a specific group of Jews during his "trial". They've been dead for 2000 years. Again, St. Stephen isn't E. Michael Jones and wasn't giving you a perpetual license to be Jew-haters.

3.)
Those Jews have been dead for 2000 years also.

4.) See point 2.)- 3.) "Those Jews"at that trial are not all Jews alive at the time or ALL Jews in the future.

The only way you'll ever check-mate anyone is by playing with yourself. ;-)

You've already had three strikes, four actually. And all your quotes don't support your Jew-hating. Quoting the Bible and correctly interpreting it are two different things.
Ultraviolet
--“…the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel’s spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.” -Pope Paul VI

Quoting you,

"Plenty more where that came from. Need I go on? CHECKMATE...lol."

Because the best you can do is quote Scripture where …More
--“…the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel’s spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.” -Pope Paul VI

Quoting you,

"Plenty more where that came from. Need I go on? CHECKMATE...lol."

Because the best you can do is quote Scripture where it doesn't apply. This isn't St. Stephen talking to a group of grumpy Jewish leaders in the Temple 2000 years ago.

I'm quoting the Popes who directly and explicitly condemn your Jew-hating ideology.
Ultraviolet
Well, that was gentlemanly of you. I accept your concession. ;-)

Even when you try "wit" you fail at it. You walked right into that one. :D Good times... :D
Hugh N. Cry
“I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life...” Jesus
Scapular
Dear Rabbi Rasson Arousi Jesus Christ is true God and true Man.
The New Knights Templar
@John A Cassani I hear you, much like having a "planned discussion" on whether pro-abortion politicians should be able to receive the Eucharist. We'd be better off running the Church ourselves.
John A Cassani
Fulton Sheen, and others have talked about how the laity are the future of the Church. Obviously they don’t mean that the hierarchy could ever go away, but it is time for us to assert ourselves. Synodality is nothing but a means to make sure that bureaucratic hack bishops will run the Church. May they have nothing to rule over.
V.R.S.
@John A Cassani
"Fulton Sheen, and others have talked about how the laity are the future of the Church"
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And as St. Pius X explained in Pascendi it was the most pernicious secret weapon of modernism:
"Still continuing the consideration of the evolution of doctrine, it is to be noted that Evolution is due no doubt to those stimulants styled needs, but, if left to their action alone, it …More
@John A Cassani
"Fulton Sheen, and others have talked about how the laity are the future of the Church"
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And as St. Pius X explained in Pascendi it was the most pernicious secret weapon of modernism:
"Still continuing the consideration of the evolution of doctrine, it is to be noted that Evolution is due no doubt to those stimulants styled needs, but, if left to their action alone, it would run a great risk of bursting the bounds of tradition, and thus, turned aside from its primitive vital principle, would lead to ruin instead of progress. Hence, studying more closely the ideas of the Modernists, evolution is described as resulting from the conflict of two forces, one of them tending towards progress, the other towards conservation. The conserving force in the Church is tradition, and tradition is represented by religious authority, and this both by right and in fact; for by right it is in the very nature of authority to protect tradition, and, in fact, for authority, raised as it is above the contingencies of life, feels hardly, or not at all, the spurs of progress. The progressive force, on the contrary, which responds to the inner needs lies in the individual consciences and ferments there - especially in such of them as are in most intimate contact with life. Note here, Venerable Brethren, the appearance already of that most pernicious doctrine which would make of the laity a factor of progress in the Church. Now it is by a species of compromise between the forces of conservation and of progress, that is to say between authority and individual consciences, that changes and advances take place. The individual consciences of some of them act on the collective conscience, which brings pressure to bear on the depositaries of authority, until the latter consent to a compromise, and, the pact being made, authority sees to its maintenance."

To make a long story short: the main slogan was to wash away murky waters of "clericalism" and thus convince Catholics to throw out the Church "baby" with the bath water.
John A Cassani
This is as nonsensical as protecting the vaccinated from the unvaccinated. What kept me Catholic back when I was not so committed to the faith was the fact that you could count on some churchmen to assert the truth against the powers of the world. If I were twenty years younger, I would most certainly be a “lapsed Catholic,” due to the sort of drivel that comes out of these men’s mouths.