US Bishop Shows How to Circumvent Francis' Rescript

salliperson

Feb 27edited

@Liam When the Russians invaded Poland and took over their churches and used them for warehouses, priests would say Mass outside in the empty parking lot.

@Liam Ronan why so? its amazing with Irelands tradition during the penal laws, where the mass was banned and irish people resorted to making rocks in a field their church, that any irish person has to ask thst question. The only difference this time is the the means by which satan attacks the mass.So Liam to your "to have any meaningful discussion " comment vado retro Satana.

Liam Ronan

Feb 27

@Josephmary AnneJochaim Here's a bit of latin for you. "Ad hominem".

Liam Ronan

Feb 26

For any meaningful discussion here, don't you think the first logical question to be addressed is: "What precisely is a 'non-parochial' church?

Adrien

Feb 27

It is a church not used by a parish.

Liam Ronan

Feb 27

@Adrien Thank you for the reply. I would like to go to the ecclesiastical sources which precisely define what a 'non-parochial' church is and any limitations attached to worship and prayer in such churches. Perhaps Bishop Paprocki published something in that respect?

Adrien

Feb 27

CODE OF CANON LAW
Can. 515 §1. A parish is a certain community of the Christian faithful stably constituted in a particular church, whose pastoral care is entrusted to a pastor (parochus) as its proper pastor (pastor) under the authority of the diocesan bishop.
Can. 1219 In a church that has legitimately been dedicated or blessed, all acts of divine worship can be performed, without prejudice to …More

CODE OF CANON LAW

Can. 515 §1. A parish is a certain community of the Christian faithful stably constituted in a particular church, whose pastoral care is entrusted to a pastor (parochus) as its proper pastor (pastor) under the authority of the diocesan bishop.

Can. 1219 In a church that has legitimately been dedicated or blessed, all acts of divine worship can be performed, without prejudice to parochial rights.

Can. 1223 By the term oratory is understood a place for divine worship designated by permission of the ordinary for the benefit of some community or group of the faithful who gather in it and to which other members of the faithful can also come with the consent of the competent superior.

Can. 1226 By the term private chapel is understood a place for divine worship designated by permission of the local ordinary for the benefit of one or more physical persons.

Can. 1228 Without prejudice to the prescript of can. 1227, the permission of the local ordinary is required for Mass or other sacred celebrations to take place in any private chapel.

Adrien

Feb 27edited

From what I understand, canon 1219 refers to a church within a parochial territory without being a parochial church.
(no importance) Btw, if I could rewrite canon 515§1., it would be like this: ...whose pastoral care is entrusted to a parish priest (parochus) as its proper pastor (pastor)...More

From what I understand, canon 1219 refers to a church within a parochial territory without being a parochial church.

(no importance) Btw, if I could rewrite canon 515§1., it would be like this: ...whose pastoral care is entrusted to a parish priest (parochus) as its proper pastor (pastor)...

John A Cassani

Feb 27

@Adrien I like your rewrite of Canon 515. I believe that the English translation was written from an American point of view, where parochus is almost always rendered, pastor. In the US, when we hear “parish priest,” we think of any priest assigned to the parish, even if he is not the “proper pastor.”

Adrien

Feb 27edited

@John A Cassani I thought that! I almost wrote ‘’to a leading parish priest’’ but I did not to avoid a superfluous repetition because right after it says ‘’as its proper pastor’’ like if the notion of leadership was embedded in ‘’proper pastor’’ (and English being a foreign language for me, I was not sure if 'leading parish priest' would sound bad or if there were a mistake in this formulation …More

@John A Cassani I thought that! I almost wrote ‘’to a leading parish priest’’ but I did not to avoid a superfluous repetition because right after it says ‘’as its proper pastor’’ like if the notion of leadership was embedded in ‘’proper pastor’’ (and English being a foreign language for me, I was not sure if 'leading parish priest' would sound bad or if there were a mistake in this formulation). I just wanted to make sense of the English translation because it has two different meanings for the same word. Also, when I said ‘’if I could rewrite the canon’’ it was just a form of speech because I knew that not having the same word twice contrary to the original canon in English, the Latin words were then not needed.

John A Cassani

Feb 27

@Adrien The truth is, “proper pastors,” “parish priests,” or whatever other names people around the world call them, mean a lot less than they used to. The canonical prerogatives of pastors are far less than they used to be, and most Catholics today aren’t even aware that they are supposed to get permission from their pastors for, say, getting married or confirmed outside of one’s parish. Of …More

@Adrien The truth is, “proper pastors,” “parish priests,” or whatever other names people around the world call them, mean a lot less than they used to. The canonical prerogatives of pastors are far less than they used to be, and most Catholics today aren’t even aware that they are supposed to get permission from their pastors for, say, getting married or confirmed outside of one’s parish. Of course, where the old books are concerned, it will be all the easier to legally prevent them in non-parochial churches, since they need special permission for baptisms, confirmations and weddings anyway. There are still advantages to being part of a parish. Of course, TC speaks of evaluating personal parishes, as to whether they should continue. I highly doubt that Rome would stand in the way of a bishop who wants to get rid of the FSSP, whether they have a proper parish or not.

Adrien

Feb 27edited

@John A Cassani ''I highly doubt that Rome would stand in the way of a bishop who wants to get rid of the FSSP, whether they have a proper parish or not.'' Nobody will disagree with you!
Note: For the readers of this thread, I would like to say this: I was not serious in my first reply. I posted the two pictures to be sarcastic. This is Québécois humor. The two churches being unfit for Holy Mass…More

@John A Cassani ''I highly doubt that Rome would stand in the way of a bishop who wants to get rid of the FSSP, whether they have a proper parish or not.'' Nobody will disagree with you!

Note: For the readers of this thread, I would like to say this: I was not serious in my first reply. I posted the two pictures to be sarcastic. This is Québécois humor. The two churches being unfit for Holy Mass…

Kenjiro M. Yoshimori

2 Feb 26

That Vatican official newspaper is a pile of Woke garbage, copying the agenda of so much of the USA media. Fortunatly, in the last 10 years, their subscriptions have plunged to next to nothing. I would never read such crap!

Credo .

Feb 28

My God, I believe in Thee, I adore Thee, I Hope in Thee and I love Thee; I beg pardon for those who do not believe, do not adore, do not Hope and do not Love Thee. Our Lady of Fatima, 'Ora Pro Nobis.' >

Salvatore Bastatti

Feb 26

You circumspect the Fatso Rescript by getting rid of Fatso.
Now look at this news clip immediately below
Vatican's official newspaper promotes call to 'fast' from fossil fuels during Lent - LifeSiteMore

You circumspect the Fatso Rescript by getting rid of Fatso.

Now look at this news clip immediately below

Vatican's official newspaper promotes call to 'fast' from fossil fuels during Lent - LifeSite

P. O'B

Feb 26

Good thing Francis returned from Africa before Lent started, or he would have had to walk home.

Kenjiro M. Yoshimori

Feb 26

More and more I hope Bishops everywhere, and even in the VAtican, defy, disobey, and ignore everything negative or restrictive or meant to end the Tridentine Latin Mass that Bergoglio and his thugs like Roche try to impose.

Clement Jaeho Chung

Feb 26

@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori Hello!! Kenjiro!! how are you?? always hope you and all your family, lovely people are always happy, healthy...in USA...and some countries...great Bishops protect to our great Tradition..Traditional Latin Mass....so great...sadly in my Country...Korea....now can't have to Traditional Latin Mass...be cause Korean Bishops agree, support, Following to Bergoglio....so they remove …More

@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori Hello!! Kenjiro!! how are you?? always hope you and all your family, lovely people are always happy, healthy...in USA...and some countries...great Bishops protect to our great Tradition..Traditional Latin Mass....so great...sadly in my Country...Korea....now can't have to Traditional Latin Mass...be cause Korean Bishops agree, support, Following to Bergoglio....so they remove to Latin Mass...just Pius X society have Traditional Latin mass...few years ago...close to my diocese...Diocese of Suwon have Traditional Latin mass...but after Bergoglio's action...removed....so terrible....Bergoglio and Bergoglian support to LGBT Ideologies, Wrong Abortion...but they attacking to our great Tradition, Orthodox Teachings...so horrible....and Kenjiro...I told you before...Bergoglio said...he protect to this papacy..maybe until his die...hmm...he much said strongly...now..this crazy Old man dose not want to retire...he want stay much longer to papacy....in fact....I am not sure...we will get to Orthodox Pope...fast time....Bergoglio remove to all Orthodox Cardinals, Bishops...so many wrong man get to Bishop, Cardinal....next Pope is possible?? after Bergoglio possible...these days..not sure....if, if Bergoglio much strongly destroying to our Orthodox Teachings....we don't need any more pray for this crazy Tyrant!! we must saying about Tyrant's Dethrone!!! Orthodox Cardinals must have actions....I think it's very hard...difficult...but really hope it...and these days..I preparing going to Underground Church...like great Japanese Martyrs Saints,Korean Martyrs Saints...all Martyrs Saints....Lord's Light Must win...but this is very difficult way..so much, much pray...even though Bergoglio's time much longer, we don't have to Orthodox Pope...please keep to our Loyalty....many talking sorry..Kenjiro....our Lord Sacred Heart of Jesus blessed always you and all your family...all lovely people...Holy Mary, All Angels and Saints..pray for us...specially Great Martyrs Saints of Japan and Korea...pray for us...Amen...take care...have a great day..Kenjiro..always I see your comment..very happy..learning a lot..have a great Lent season too...