mccallansteve
Way to go, Father! Converts will be beating down your door, I'm sure.
Ultraviolet
@Tesa I'm not fan of Francis, but truth and justice require we give credit for all this where it's due. ;-)

Pope Francis is merely the current temporal head of the Church. The Church is not -his- or any Pope's. The Roman Catholic Church belongs to God.

These kinds of awful requirements are coming down from bishops, who have chosen to collaborate with secular government. The Pope hasn't …More
@Tesa I'm not fan of Francis, but truth and justice require we give credit for all this where it's due. ;-)

Pope Francis is merely the current temporal head of the Church. The Church is not -his- or any Pope's. The Roman Catholic Church belongs to God.

These kinds of awful requirements are coming down from bishops, who have chosen to collaborate with secular government. The Pope hasn't issued any mandate that all churches must secular governments regarding Covid..

In this case, it was a parish priest who zealously enforced the requirements, not the bishop or the Pope.

Frankly, the woman should be grateful the church was even open for prayer.

Women in particular have oodles of options for complying with the letter of a "mask law" while making a mockery of it.
Cuthbert Mayne
The pope has a lot to say about masks - see a recent GTV article. Masks have become an opportunity for symbolic resistance to some and a weapon of control for others.
Ultraviolet
@Cuthbert Mayne Has Pope Francis or the Vatican imposed any mask requirements on the Church? If yes, please link the Vatican site's announcement. If no, then Pope Francis can opine as he pleases and we, the laity, are just as free to ignore it. As I've told others elsewhere, Pope Francis' (frequently foolish) opinions are not canonically binding.

If you're referring to this recent article, …More
@Cuthbert Mayne Has Pope Francis or the Vatican imposed any mask requirements on the Church? If yes, please link the Vatican site's announcement. If no, then Pope Francis can opine as he pleases and we, the laity, are just as free to ignore it. As I've told others elsewhere, Pope Francis' (frequently foolish) opinions are not canonically binding.

If you're referring to this recent article, his actions speak louder than words.
Cuthbert Mayne
The Vatican cannot enforce anything except Dogma. And as a sovereign state cannot interfere in local governance of other states. However it can lead by example and make recommendations: catholicnewsagency.com/…asks-compulsory-outdoors-84199
And also see home page of Vatican Covid - 19 commission humandevelopment.va/en/vatican-covid-19.html
Louis IX
Maybe some Catholic women resent being forced to dress up as an infidel to worship in God’s house. Masks are not the same as ties or shoes, obviously since the pushback is so strong against them.
Ultraviolet
@Cuthbert Mayne "The Vatican cannot enforce anything except Dogma."

...and since it's self-evident masks are not Dogma, then the Vatican can not enforce such requirements.

"However it can lead by example and make recommendations:"

Recommendations are not binding. A recommendation is neither an order nor a law. ;-)

Meaning, the answer to my question, "Has Pope Francis or the Vatican impo…More
@Cuthbert Mayne "The Vatican cannot enforce anything except Dogma."

...and since it's self-evident masks are not Dogma, then the Vatican can not enforce such requirements.

"However it can lead by example and make recommendations:"

Recommendations are not binding. A recommendation is neither an order nor a law. ;-)

Meaning, the answer to my question, "Has Pope Francis or the Vatican imposed any mask requirements on the Church?" is no. He has not and neither has the Vatican.

Well! That was simple enough. :D

Yes, Pope Francis has a lot to say about masks, he has a lot to say about climate change, he has a lot to say about wealth inequality and a lot to say about the government's role in forcibly correcting it. He has a lot to say about immigration, he has a lot to say about many things that have absolutely no direct bearing whatsoever on our Catholic faith or the Catholic Church.

Given that Pope Francis' political and social views are rooted in a solidly Marxist world-view and Marixsm is one of the single largest sources of human misery in modern history, that's all the more reason to dutifully listen to what Pope Francis has to say on political/ social issues and then dismiss what he said as both wrong and wrong-headed.
Ultraviolet
@Louis IX "Maybe some Catholic women resent being forced to dress up as an infidel to worship in God’s house."

There is nothing "infidel" about masks supposedly designed to prevent the spread of the COVID virus. If you wish to claim otherwise, please state which non-Christian (i.e. "infidel") religion mandates masks to prevent COVID as a religious doctrine for its followers. Please cite the …More
@Louis IX "Maybe some Catholic women resent being forced to dress up as an infidel to worship in God’s house."

There is nothing "infidel" about masks supposedly designed to prevent the spread of the COVID virus. If you wish to claim otherwise, please state which non-Christian (i.e. "infidel") religion mandates masks to prevent COVID as a religious doctrine for its followers. Please cite the relevant religious law/ scripture where such doctrine is mentioned. ;-)

Masks come in every possible variety imaginable... everything from the tacky-looking blue paper masks, shown here being worn by the Vatican Swiss Guard to more duralbe cloth masks decorated with (gasp!) Catholic themes
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As a purely historical note, there is nothing "infidel" about the photo of the mask I posted either.

It is a cloth mask, technically a form of veil, used in belly dancing. The dance originated in ancient Egypt and was widespread throughout Asia Minor. It was mentioned by the Roman poet Juvenal who lived in the 1st-2nd century AD, which provides at least one point of historical documentation.

Worth noting that Christianity was, at this point, flourishing within Egypt and the city of Alexandria soon became one of the great centers of early Christianity. Egypt itself remained Christian longer than America has even existed..

...which shows, my dear Louis, ethnicity, culture and religion are not automatically one and the same. ;-)

"Masks are not the same as ties or shoes..."

True, they're not. However it is the venue's right to decide if they require ties or shoes or masks. Visitors to a venue have one of two options, either comply with the dress-code or leave.

Whatever those particular Catholic women choose do to, I'd appreciate it if the one interviewed didn't lie through her teeth about her city's masking requirements.
V.R.S.
Perhaps without a mask she was unclean for him or sth like that. In some abrahamic religions there are special policies for women: "no mask - no service", etc.
Ultraviolet
Correction: Mother Refuses To Mask, Mother Refuses To Leave -THEN- Priest Calls The Police. Yes, some "key-holder" sacristans enjoy their petty exercises of power. Nothing unique about that. Those in charge of a venue DO have the legal authority to ask people to comply with the venue's clothing requirements. "No Shoes No Shirt, No Service" is the classic. If people refuse to wear what is …More
Correction: Mother Refuses To Mask, Mother Refuses To Leave -THEN- Priest Calls The Police. Yes, some "key-holder" sacristans enjoy their petty exercises of power. Nothing unique about that. Those in charge of a venue DO have the legal authority to ask people to comply with the venue's clothing requirements. "No Shoes No Shirt, No Service" is the classic. If people refuse to wear what is required AND they refuse to leave when asked to, then the police get called.

"The mother says that for six weeks no Kansas City store asked her to put on a mask."

...and the mother just caught herself in a lie. Stupid, obstinate people often do this when telling "their side". Trying to legitimize their refusal to either mask or leave, they fabricate a claim that -this- venue is unique and therefore unreasonable.

Fact Check: Kansas City has had a mask mandate in place since June 27.

It was extended in August into January 2021. "Under the order, all employees or visitors to any place of public accommodation must wear face coverings."

Stores, fearful of being shut down, are understandably enforcing this policy whether they like it or not. And this woman claims no store has asked her to wear a maks for the past six weeks? :P

Simply put, the mother is a bad liar. Stupid, obstinate people typically are.

I don't personally like the "mask" requirements, but I dislike people trying to scam everone with their falsehoods even more.
Ultraviolet
From what I read in the GTV article... there won't be a trial @Salmo143 The article didn't mention any arrests.

Presumably there weren't any because the woman and her group complied with police orders to leave. What she's doing now is also a hallmark of stupid, obstinate people: she didn't get her way so she's trying to get someone into trouble (the priest).

I've seen something similar …More
From what I read in the GTV article... there won't be a trial @Salmo143 The article didn't mention any arrests.

Presumably there weren't any because the woman and her group complied with police orders to leave. What she's doing now is also a hallmark of stupid, obstinate people: she didn't get her way so she's trying to get someone into trouble (the priest).

I've seen something similar often enough with stupid and obstinate people on GTV. When factually corrected and unable to refute that correction, their next approach is to claim they're being bullied and screaming for GTV's administration to ban me.

I don't like these mask restrictions, though I'm having a ton of fun making the best of a bad situation by freaking everyone out with creative compliance.

The woman is in the legal -and- moral wrong. Every venue has the right to set clothing restrictions so long as they're applied evenly without any unfair discrimination.

This is nothing new. Fancy restaurants can require men to wear suitcoats and ties.

Nightclubs have been doing the same for ages on "theme" nights.

The nightclub's event calender is usually very clear about it. If the theme that night is "goth" or "rave", patrons can and will be expected to conform to that night's dress code.

Even churches have the right to enforce modesty/ and decorum rules.
aderito
very sad this is happening ,a !00 years ago a pandemic killed 300 million people the church was open and taking care of the sick ,
Cuthbert Mayne
Probably why 300 million died
Alex A
A good point.
Tesa
Francis' church is not a religion at all, but an agency of the State.
michael f
Well said.
michael f
An Agency of the state obeying their master weather its China or every other anti Catholic country or state, plenty in these times.
Alex A
@michael f A lot depends on the 'weather'.
Cuthbert Mayne
Whether the weather would wither the virus or to whither shall it go?