Eva
Chris Ferrara on Voris: "My question is how does someone with a past like this, even if he is right with God today, get to be a public commentator issuing judgments against the likes of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre?"
Tesa
On his move from the USA to Europe, Niles (ChurchMilitant) says of the US District Superior, "... investigations are made infinitely more difficult when a priest is moved across state lines, cutting off investigators' access to the subject under investigation."

However, Father Wegner is not under any sort of investigation
MMC1287
If he was contacted by an accuser then he IS part of an investigation. God bless~
Tradycja i Wiara
Tesa
The Directors of Church Militant include:

A woman who dumped her husband of 11 years
A homosexual
A creator of a pornographic video game

Everyone's sins are red enough - but not everyone sets up as paid Catholic guru.
Prayhard
They had a Filipino Neo-Nazi with a creepy mantilla fetish as a photographer.
Tesa
"Neo-Nazi" - whatever that means. Anyone is a "Neo-Nazi" who is in opposition to the establishment.
MMC1287
I'm not a fan of the players either but we need to establish whether what they report is true or not. We cannot mess around with this type of crime. It murders children's souls. We need to detach ourselves enough to be objective in this and not defensive. Defending any wolves in the Society is not defending the Society, it's defending the wolves. If there ARE wolves, sexual or cover up, we need …More
I'm not a fan of the players either but we need to establish whether what they report is true or not. We cannot mess around with this type of crime. It murders children's souls. We need to detach ourselves enough to be objective in this and not defensive. Defending any wolves in the Society is not defending the Society, it's defending the wolves. If there ARE wolves, sexual or cover up, we need to ID them, remove them, and promote a Society that has ZERO tolerance for such evil. Catholics will flock to the Society if it does the hard, right, and true thing:+) God bless~
HerzMariae
It was Bp Fellay who negotiated with Pope Benedict XVI that Summorum Pontificum was a requirement for reconciliation. Pope Benedict XVI stated in his letter to Bishops that because the SSPX exists, there is a clear need for it. Because of the SSPX, there is the Old Latin Mass more widespread available.
Tesa
“Public safety” is the new name of hits, clicks, and dollars.
Tradycja i Wiara
MMC1287
The SSPX has done tremendous good in preserving and defending Tradition. Our Lord has allowed this light to be shined on them and if the allegations are true, to purify a Society that He loves. Purging the wolves is a GOOD thing, if they are there. This is an opportunity for the Society to LEAD the Church in what it's supposed to do with perversion and heinous crime. May the grace be given for …More
The SSPX has done tremendous good in preserving and defending Tradition. Our Lord has allowed this light to be shined on them and if the allegations are true, to purify a Society that He loves. Purging the wolves is a GOOD thing, if they are there. This is an opportunity for the Society to LEAD the Church in what it's supposed to do with perversion and heinous crime. May the grace be given for them to see this, have the courage to do the hard and right thing, and give God the glory:+) God bless~
Eric M
Wait a minute...what you just wrote makes matters worse. You wrote: "The priest in charge of the camp didn't know about the self-mutilation incident." (the hell why not? how didn't he if a priest knows this guy is a member of the SSPX, would the priest not have vetted him or checked with his previous confreres?) Then you write: "After leaving this position he surfaced in Dickinson, North Dakota, …More
Wait a minute...what you just wrote makes matters worse. You wrote: "The priest in charge of the camp didn't know about the self-mutilation incident." (the hell why not? how didn't he if a priest knows this guy is a member of the SSPX, would the priest not have vetted him or checked with his previous confreres?) Then you write: "After leaving this position he surfaced in Dickinson, North Dakota, where he helped as a sacristan in a church that was served by PiusX only once a month." (why was he allowed there again?) This sicko should have been dealt with long, long, long, before his shuffling around. The more you people try and bury things up, the more embarrassing it is for you. I really feel sorry for all the wonderful and well intended people who belong to the SSPX because they have no idea what evil people like you have covered up for decades.
MMC1287
I agree. Although I wouldn't accuse the person i.e. "evil people like you". I can't figure out who wrote this article/response but I wouldn't call them evil. But like I said I agree...if someone that messed up the leadership should alert EVERYONE about it in leadership. And counselors SHOULD be vetted as well as sacristans. Nobody that messed up has any business being those lay leadership …More
I agree. Although I wouldn't accuse the person i.e. "evil people like you". I can't figure out who wrote this article/response but I wouldn't call them evil. But like I said I agree...if someone that messed up the leadership should alert EVERYONE about it in leadership. And counselors SHOULD be vetted as well as sacristans. Nobody that messed up has any business being those lay leadership positions.

And I agree again...you would think Traditional priests who have watched the Novus Ordo Church implode from their pathetic, defensive, spineless responses would learn that defending the wolves in their society/priesthood only enrages the laity more and destroys their credibility.

This situation and the horrible response from the SSPX shows they need a major reform. Get rid of the perverts...ALL of them...defrock them asap. And get rid of the prelates that covered for them too. I don't care if they are a bishop or leader...the rot in this comes from the top and is destroying all of the good/holy priests as well as the legacy of the Archbishop.

Take this as a warning from God to wake up and implement brutal reform. If not, the Society is doomed. No parent or person would give money to a society that covers up child rape and the destruction of families. And enough of the downplaying "this happens everywhere"...no it doesn't. It happens in weak, infected and cancerous organizations who are too spiritually dead, blind or weak to identify perverts, eradicate them, and hold the leadership accountable if they enabled them. True orthodoxy does not attract evil men...it repels them...for light dispels the darkness.

God bless~
Caroline03
I honestly think that Michael Voris needs to take a step back and sincerely examine his interests. Who is it that is so hostile to the SSPX around you Sir? Is it your Priest? Is it a financial doner? Whoever it is, firing arrows at true Roman Catholics just to suit another person's demonic aversion to their society is a lame reason for accusing an ENTIRE SOCIETY and putting 600 Priests jointly …More
I honestly think that Michael Voris needs to take a step back and sincerely examine his interests. Who is it that is so hostile to the SSPX around you Sir? Is it your Priest? Is it a financial doner? Whoever it is, firing arrows at true Roman Catholics just to suit another person's demonic aversion to their society is a lame reason for accusing an ENTIRE SOCIETY and putting 600 Priests jointly in the Dock, just so you can destroy them.

If you think about it, ALONE, Michael, who REALLY gains from destroying the SSPX? It's not Jesus Christ it is Satan.

I stopped subscribing to your channel a year or two ago, due to this sort of unreasonable, scary dislike of yours towards some of the holiest Priests we have ever seen. Your friend Fr Paul Nicholson, exposed himself as an insane person when he ludicrously stated publicly that Christ would prefer the Satanic Masses to those of the SSPX.

Whatever his reasons for saying that - it is a similar attitude that YOU have yourself. I suggest you stop condemning Priests who obey the Council of Trent and turn your vile hatred on the Satanists who resent them for doing so. Pass your own judgement, Michael, examine your real motives for resenting the SSPX. Is it envy? Jealousy, Pride? Sort it out for the sake of your conscience. It's very clear to others that you are unnecessarily eager to destroy the SSPX, it is also very obvious to them that you help the Devil in doing so. Examine your reasons for this pathological hatred of the Society. The attack against those you accuse of Pedestry in the Novus Ordo Church, is slander of individuals. Why oh WHY must it be Mr Voris that with accusations against 1 or 2 Priests of the SSPX you rain down hatred on the entire society. Something in your attitude does not add up. Shame on you. Hate NO-ONE who seeks to serve Christ. Hate only those who invalidate His Holy Sacrifice by their Satanic scorn of Virtue, Holiness and Sanctity. Leave them alone, or you will offend Christ. It is embarrassing that you obviously wish to remove people from supporting the Society and gain their support instead. A fatal and horrid scary flaw. Root it out! You've spoiled the trust I placed in you. No doubt there are many others. They are Saints. You serve reptiles in discovering tid bits of information hoping to use it to destroy them. How awful ! I sincerely hope you issue them a public apology and learn that there is one thing Christ hates more than a schism against a false Church - it is someone aiming to destroy a friend who earnestly wishes that Rome would return back to the Faith that it held for 2000 YEARS
Alex A
I couldn't have articulated it better. Bravo!
St Michael
Yes, I agree Hugh N. Cry. Traditional Catholics in particular need to stop being so naive about such matters. After all, if there is one cockroach, there is bound to be many others.
Alex A
@hugh N. Cry> Who's being naive??? CM's expose certainly is nothing new for the church and no SSPX is not, and never has been, free from the influence of the devil. We all have to be on guard no matter what our position in life. That being said, the motivation of CM's investigation into the SSPX comes into question given its long history of vitriolic attacks against the Society. How much of …More
@hugh N. Cry> Who's being naive??? CM's expose certainly is nothing new for the church and no SSPX is not, and never has been, free from the influence of the devil. We all have to be on guard no matter what our position in life. That being said, the motivation of CM's investigation into the SSPX comes into question given its long history of vitriolic attacks against the Society. How much of the alleged expose by CM is factual? I don't know and I suggest neither do you. Perhaps there is enough naivety for us all to share.
Hugh N. Cry
I’m pretty confident that it’s accurate. I’ve been affected by these very similar types of situations. For example: as child of 60s and 70s hearing about Fr. so and so arrested, transferred; in seminary seeing open flamers and faculty not remedying; trad apostolates and Fr. So and so again being arrested. I don’t give a flying flip what CM thinks about SSPX. It’s these particulars in the expose …More
I’m pretty confident that it’s accurate. I’ve been affected by these very similar types of situations. For example: as child of 60s and 70s hearing about Fr. so and so arrested, transferred; in seminary seeing open flamers and faculty not remedying; trad apostolates and Fr. So and so again being arrested. I don’t give a flying flip what CM thinks about SSPX. It’s these particulars in the expose that ring so deafening true. I stopped being naive when confronted by the homo-covens in seminary.
MMC1287
CM has had a nasty attitude toward the Society for years. It's the reason I dropped my Premium Membership to them. That being said. Our Lord has allowed this filth to come to the surface, He has shown the light on the cancer within the SSPX. Let us see that as a gift of opportunity for the Society to be an example of what TRUE reform looks like and the brutal steps it needs to take to protect it'…More
CM has had a nasty attitude toward the Society for years. It's the reason I dropped my Premium Membership to them. That being said. Our Lord has allowed this filth to come to the surface, He has shown the light on the cancer within the SSPX. Let us see that as a gift of opportunity for the Society to be an example of what TRUE reform looks like and the brutal steps it needs to take to protect it's sheep.

The initial response from the Society shows the cancer is alive and well in leadership...the hedging, the downplaying, the defensiveness, the virtual lack of compassion or righteous anger towards the lives destroyed by their inept ability to ID sick/evil men at seminary, to deal with them as priests, and their cover ups to "protect" the Society. How can such trained men who are steeped in truth and grace be so blind as to see that by "protecting" the wrongdoers they are protecting the wolves and ignoring/harming the sheep even more?

Let us do our part...PRAY for the SSPX, PRAY for the victims and yes, consider not giving them another dime until they do the hard right thing and clean house. God bless~
Scapular
REGARDING THE LEGAL STATUS OF THE SSPX WITHIN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LETTER FROM REV. DR. DENZIL MEULI, S.T.D., U.J.D., Ph.L., LL.B., Advocate for the Holy Roman Rota, www.scribd.com/…/Meuli-Letter-Re…More
REGARDING THE LEGAL STATUS OF THE SSPX WITHIN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LETTER FROM REV. DR. DENZIL MEULI, S.T.D., U.J.D., Ph.L., LL.B., Advocate for the Holy Roman Rota, www.scribd.com/…/Meuli-Letter-Re…
Hugh N. Cry
C’mon, pederasty and pedos are everywhere. This didn’t start after 1962. I’ve been a parishioner since childhood in run of the mill N.O. parishes, went to seminaries (both rites), and active in traditional Latin Mass parishes and groups. Not reporting is no excuse (even if it is just a substitute sacristan). CM isn’t doing anything new. Faggots and pedos have been rampant in Trad, N.O., …More
C’mon, pederasty and pedos are everywhere. This didn’t start after 1962. I’ve been a parishioner since childhood in run of the mill N.O. parishes, went to seminaries (both rites), and active in traditional Latin Mass parishes and groups. Not reporting is no excuse (even if it is just a substitute sacristan). CM isn’t doing anything new. Faggots and pedos have been rampant in Trad, N.O., seminaries, school teachers and parents. Quit defending evil and lack of reporting. My wife and I never let our children alone with other adults. Unfortunately, even with first confession instruction, we have to teach about inappropriate behavior. They know their act of contrition as well as a swift kick to the balls. SSPX, ICRSS, FSSP all have them lurking. Be vigilant not naive.
pauljamesdwyer
when you finish tearing each other apart you will all answer to God!
MMC1287
I agree that sadly the sick perverts are everywhere in the Church. Although they have not always been there...they would come and go depending on how the Church responded to them. The more brutal the response, the safer and better the priesthood.

I have no idea how the SSPX can downplay the horror of this crime...to say "it's just part of the deal people" in a way. It's not. IT SHOULD NOT BE. …More
I agree that sadly the sick perverts are everywhere in the Church. Although they have not always been there...they would come and go depending on how the Church responded to them. The more brutal the response, the safer and better the priesthood.

I have no idea how the SSPX can downplay the horror of this crime...to say "it's just part of the deal people" in a way. It's not. IT SHOULD NOT BE. Light and goodness should not attract such horrific evil it should repel it. Yes, the enemy will attack the priests/shepherds but they also have the graces of their ordination, the graces of daily receiving Holy Communion, the prayers of the faithful etc.

Enough of the excuses and hiding behind lawyers/counselors. "We were told we had no duty to report it". Really? According to who? The law of a land that supports numerous evils? Each and every one of us has a duty to protect the innocent and report such abuses...EVERYONE. And the other excuse i.e. we need an accuser to contact an abuser to 'let him out of his obligation to secrecy' junk...how diabolical! Have the accuser contact a mediator to pass along this permission and NOT someone from the SSPX. The final excuse was the last report of "reporting it the authorities"...were those authorities members of the SSPX? Probably, if those police were in St. Mary's Kansas. You need to contact authorities who have NO connection to the Society so that bias is avoided.

To top it off, the sermon by an SSPX priest today, during "Good Shepherd Sunday" no less, utterly downplayed the scandals, implied the laity had family members who were also child rapists and predators, that there have always been evil men like Judas in the priesthood even during the time of Our Lord (can you imagine any of the Apostles being child rapists?), that there were 1100 plus clergy in the society so the numbers weren't too bad, and virtually not a WORD of compassion, compunction, or righteous anger for the horrors committed against the innocent. When in the blazes will these priests learn from the disaster of the Novus Ordo Church with this? Does it occur to them that without US/the laity they are DONE. Oh, yes, the priest even told us we should be GRATEFUL...b/c we have the eucharist and confession. So in other words, shut up...let us rape your kids, destroy your families...you should be grateful you are getting the sacraments at all.

A heads up to ALL priests. The Japanese did not have clergy for many years. They baptized themselves, married themselves, probably did many spiritual communions with the Masses going on around the world, and prayed many acts of contrition. They survived as Catholics. And I would drop kick EVERY priest on the planet if they turned out to be a sex pervert and be like those Japanese rather than expose myself and children to being raped in body and soul. Without the laity, priests are without house, food, everything...not to mention purpose. They are there to serve and protect the SHEEP...not THEMSELVES or the WOLVES. If holy, they will be richly rewarded by Our Lord...if not, they will suffer brutally forever. GOOD SHEPHERDS know this and I have seen them rage and break down over the horrors done to their sheep by their fellow priests. And they do whatever they can to reform their orders/diocese...to stop the evil. These Good Shepherds DO exist but are rare...and obviously not currently in positions of authority in the SSPX.

The SSPX is being given an opportunity here to LEAD by example. To brutally clean house and establish intense and brutal measures against this plague of sexual perversion and predation. Read what St. Peter Damien and Pope St. Pius V recommended. If you rape a child? Defrocking, trial, last rites and death. Anyone who covers for them? The same. Have every seminarian WATCH the public execution, teaching them that THIS is what awaits them if they attempt to harm an innocent. If a repeat offender, burning at the stake. ENOUGH of this evil. This evil is not normal, it's not to be "expected", it is from the very depths of hell itself and speaks of a cancer in whatever priestly society it occupies. This is the murdering of a child's SOUL, the ripping, breaking and destruction of innocence by who they see as GOD HIMSELF. THIS is the worst crime on the planet. Period. So stop assuming it's normal, that it's "gonna happen" b/c it sure doesn't happen in my family...and they are pretty messed up as it is. We don't pretend to be priests/holy/religious...do you get that is what makes it so horrifying?

Wake up SSPX. Ask Our Lord and His Mother to use this to BURN OUT this cancer. See it as a last opportunity or Our Lord will SPIT you out of His mouth...and the poor Archbishop will be crushed. Have courage, trust that you should never fear the consequences of doing the RIGHT thing, and blast out the evil from among you. Better that here than before the Just Judge. Catholics would FLOCK to you...knowing you take the protection of us sheep seriously, that you are not hirelings who only think of protecting themselves, but will lay down your life for us. We would respect, honor, love and follow you...and you would be glorified in heaven without end. The grace is there for this to happen...are you willing to go after it? Or will you just hide behind your excuses, lawyers, and justifications? We have only ONE life to live. Make it count...it will be WORTH it.

God bless~
tjhooked
Whether the truth is being reported by Hitler or Saint Francis...it is still the truth. Michael Voris and the Church Militant have, without any doubt, a biased, unbalanced opinion of the SSPX. I know from personal experience that they will not allow even the slightest defence of the SSPX’s position on there website and anyone who uses the least amount of logic can tell that there view of the …More
Whether the truth is being reported by Hitler or Saint Francis...it is still the truth. Michael Voris and the Church Militant have, without any doubt, a biased, unbalanced opinion of the SSPX. I know from personal experience that they will not allow even the slightest defence of the SSPX’s position on there website and anyone who uses the least amount of logic can tell that there view of the Society is at least unfair. However, the accusations and stories they have levelled against the Society are none the less deeply concerning and it seems to me quite unlikely that half or even most of it are untrue. The CM levelled many allegations to which the SSPX only defended themselves against a few points. It seems likely that most of the accusations are true rather than not...regardless of Michael Voris’ vitriol towards the SSPX...this unacceptable behaviour has obviously infiltrated the Society in the same way that it has the main stream Church. I think we can all talk about the many logical human and also spiritual reasons that things like this occur but I don’t think any of us should be surprised. Some men seek power or hide in the priest hood this coupled with the spiritual reality of Satan continuously trying to destroy as many souls as possible in the least amount of time...it makes sense to strike the leaders in this battle we are in. Everyone needs our prayers...the victims, the priests accused...guilty or not and the clergy who covered it up.
My only hope now is that the leadership of the SSPX isn’t completely and fully saturated with a tight knit group of men who seek to control and cover up everything and replace themselves with those who tow the line and do the same...it would be refreshing to see a more humble message coming from them. A message which says something like “I’m sorry we made big mistakes, we shouldn’t have tried to cover it up, we were scared of how much it would cost and how much it would hurt our people and infrastructure, we were uncertain about what the correct course of action should be...we are human...we made some big mistakes...we’re very sorry”. Instead there seems to be a cold authoritarian type of attitude that pervades the Society’s leadership...attitudes that sort of say:”I’m your boss! I have authority over you!” “Listen to me!” “Your questioning me is Protestant like!” “You accuse me?...you’re the one who is lacking charity!”, “Be quiet!...don’t rock the boat!...leave the thinking to me!” unfortunately treating the laity (who pay the bills) in this way doesn’t work. People who go to SSPX churches are thinkers and taking this approach has not in the passed, does not now and will not in the future be effective.

I hope and pray for a new more humble and refreshing attitude to pervade the leadership of the SSPX in the future.

I’ll pray for everyone involved here!
MMC1287
Well said. Those in power don't want to lose it so they evade, excuse, downplay etc. And they certainly don't want to pay for their crimes of covering up sexual abuse. Very sad to see this in a Society set up by a saint (IMHO). They know what should be done to them, if guilty, by the true standard of justice and it isn't pretty.

And yes, their attitudes are abominable. "Be grateful you have us" …More
Well said. Those in power don't want to lose it so they evade, excuse, downplay etc. And they certainly don't want to pay for their crimes of covering up sexual abuse. Very sad to see this in a Society set up by a saint (IMHO). They know what should be done to them, if guilty, by the true standard of justice and it isn't pretty.

And yes, their attitudes are abominable. "Be grateful you have us" and "sex perverts are in your family too so don't judge" and "be quiet" was the message I heard this past Sunday at Holy Mass...and on Good Shepherd Sunday to boot:+(

Yes, the Church has always had sinners. But these destroyers of souls i.e. child rapists only seem to arrive when the Church is weak, has allowed perversion to flourish, and refuses to apply true justice. Our saintly ancestors would have put them to death, and rightly so, after defrocking them. All in public too. We need the harsh example and punishment b/c it a) fends off the demons who do this from entering the priesthood b) reflects the brutality of their crime i.e. soul destruction.

My hope is that holy priests in the Society rise up against leadership, that the secular state is used by Our Lord to root out this evil, and that the Society finally grow a spine in the fight overall, but especially in this are by removing ALL pervert priests, ALL cover up prelates, and applying brutal measures for any abuse committed. Coddling doesn't work in this...Fear of the Lord is the answer Pope St. Pius V and St. Peter Damien used...and I assume it purified the Church.

God bless~