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Head of RC bishops in Germany says laity will move Church forward

Lockdown liturgy has raised expectation of German Catholics, says Bishop Georg Bätzing Bishop Georg Bätzing (Photo: Andreas Arnold/dpa/MaxPPP) Onlin…
Peter4God
In a way the RC Bishops of Germany (RC) sounds about right too; are correct but in the way Archbishop Fulton Sheen said that it will be the lay people who will only wot the grace of God bring the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church back to think that it will be by these bishops or by the laity who dress up as clowns or have a dancing procession in the sanctuary during the mass I don't think so it …More
In a way the RC Bishops of Germany (RC) sounds about right too; are correct but in the way Archbishop Fulton Sheen said that it will be the lay people who will only wot the grace of God bring the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church back to think that it will be by these bishops or by the laity who dress up as clowns or have a dancing procession in the sanctuary during the mass I don't think so it will be devout catholics
Jmy1975
The Germans have been the problem with the world for 500 years, since Luther. Every bad idea animating the world came from there.
Hugh N. Cry
Too many times the Rhine has flowed into the Tiber.
Ultraviolet
"The Germans have been the problem with the world for 500 years" -Thus speaks a man ignorant of history. :D
Jmy1975
@Ultraviolet Luther begat protestsntism, he begat German philosophies of humanism, which begat atheism and Marxism. Out of Germany came some of the most destructive wars in human history, not to mention the genocide of Jews and Catholics. Oh, and Nietzsche. You describe yourself when you call me ignorant. And you're a Christ-less troll. :)
Ultraviolet
Humansim didn't grow out of Luther, you moron.

Humanism, specifically Western European Humanism, emerged during the Italian Renaissance. It's worth clarifying that point since you're apparently unaware humanist philosophies have appeared in many parts of the world beyond simply Europe. Historians identify Francesco Petrarca as one of the earliest European humanists and he was dead over a …More
Humansim didn't grow out of Luther, you moron.

Humanism, specifically Western European Humanism, emerged during the Italian Renaissance. It's worth clarifying that point since you're apparently unaware humanist philosophies have appeared in many parts of the world beyond simply Europe. Historians identify Francesco Petrarca as one of the earliest European humanists and he was dead over a century before Martin Luther was even born.

So if you're going to use humanism to argue it "begat" atheism and Marxism, then you can blame the Italians for begetting it.

I personally wouldn't argue your claim because,unlike you, I know atheism has appared all over the world, long before Martin Luther. The Arab philosopher Al-Ma'arri wrote that religion was "a fable invented by the ancients" . He died in 1057, several centuries before the birth of Martin Luther.

"Out of Germany came some of the most destructive wars in human history"

You need to learn the difference between the Axis and Germany. You also need to learn "human history" covers a bit more ground than 20th century Europe. WW II may hold the top spot in the modern era for the death toll. But that's it. The second, third, fourth, and fifth major conflicts (in terms of death tolls) didn't see Germany as a participant.

If you're wondering, those are (in order) the Manchu Conquest Of China, the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire, the Taiping Rebellion, and the Second Sino-Japanese War. Yes, all of those had a greater death toll than WW I.

So while Germany participated in "some" of the most destructive wars in human history (technically two in your context), MOST of them didn't involve Germany at all. Meaning your claim is deliberately overly narrow and thus both misleading and inherently inaccurate.

"not to mention the genocide of Jews and Catholics."

...not to mention the genocide of Jews and Catholics were comparatively minor compared to other democides, even within the 20th century.

"Oh, and Nietzsche."

Oh, and Mohammed. Compare their respective effects on human history and then get back to me, you simpleton.

"You describe yourself when you call me ignorant."

I've just factually corrected every one of the claims you made.

Unlike you, when I accuse someone of ignorance, I can back it up. More importantly, when I make such an accusation, I'm already planning to support the claim. ;-)

You really need to learn this if you want to avoid future humiliations here on GTV. Think of it like chess. When I move on one of your pieces (i.e. a comment), you can be certain I already have my next move and the one after that ready 'n waiting.

Protip: everyone who corrects your ignorance isn't a troll. That's a common misuse of the term, typically among the butthurt. Accusations of "troll" imply motive. If you ever studied law, you'd rememeber that's one of the most difficult things to ever conclusively prove.

...least of all with no greater proof than a single correction of your monumental ignorance of (wait for it) human history.

Serious question Jmy1975 ... and I'm genuinely curious... you're a product of the mid-80s public education system, aren't you?
Ultraviolet
Don't worry, @Novella Nurney. Germany's Church is going to get everything they deserve courtesy of their own moral laxity. They will dilute their parishes to the point of irrelevancy, people will leave so they don't have to pay taxes for a joke, and eventually their financial power will crumble.
Novella Nurney
We have a just and merciful God!
Novella Nurney
I'd like to back the Church up. Right on over the Germans snide way and the hordes of recent heresies.