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@Rafał_Ovile Hi.
You stated that you were not aware that any proof existed in the Scriptures to indicate that Christ was Jewish. I can't reply to your question on the page where you wrote the question, since the
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus team have decided to be very rude and delete all of our comments. Is it Christianity they are preaching Its hard to tell. They don't seem to like us.
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@Rafał_Ovile Hi.
You stated that you were not aware that any proof existed in the Scriptures to indicate that Christ was Jewish. I can't reply to your question on the page where you wrote the question, since the
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus team have decided to be very rude and delete all of our comments. Is it Christianity they are preaching Its hard to tell. They don't seem to like us.
Never mind Rafal, I'll put my reply to you here.....since I've written it.
First of all,
Genesis 3 Mentions "The seed of the woman" or "The offspring of the woman" Theologically, this foretells that a Jewish woman will give birth to a MALE offspring who will defeat the Serpent. This would have astounded the Jews reading their Torah, as normally it is said that the Seed comes from the male.
The original prophecy of Isaiah reflecting Christ's Miraculous birth of a Jewish woman " “Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall name him Immanuel” (ie He shall be known as "God with us." ) (Isaiah 7:14)
Which echoes another prophecy of the Messiah (one of literally hundreds) this specifically given to Isaiah. In Isaiah 9:6 it says
For a child will be born to US (ie ISRAEL), a son will be given to US (the Jewish Race)
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace,
On the throne of David and over his kingdom,
To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness
From then on and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this
Christ is not only 100% Divine, He is also 100% HUMAN. He received His Humanity exclusively from the most Blessed Virgin Mary, whom Scripture tells us is descended directly from Nathan, (one of King Davids sons.) He is of the Line of David through MARY. The Genealogy in Luke shows The Holy Virgin's Descendancy from King David.
Joseph (Christ's legal Guardian, aka Foster Father) is ALSO descended from King David, but his descent comes from the line of Solomon. St Joseph's line can be seen in Matthew 1: The line of descent from King Solomon, became a cursed, broken line shortly before the Babylonian Exile during the reign of his descendant Jehoiakim.. God sent a message to Jehoiakim (through the Prophet Jeremiah) telling him that never again will a descendant of his ever occupy the Throne of Israel
As we all know, Jesus is the prophecised Jewish Messiah. Many places within Scripture say that the Jewish Messiah will be seated upon the Throne of David for eternity. It is not a NEW Throne occupied by an imposter - Only a descendant of David's Line would be allowed to occupy the Throne of David. Which would mean he will be of Jewish Descent. When King Herod occupied the Throne, he was NOT 100% Jewish - he was actually half Roman. Therefore, he was not a valid King in the eyes of the Jewish people of the time and therefore there was much dissent and many uprisings. That is probably why he felt so envious of the baby born in the Manger. He knew that a real King was being born within Israel, and that would bring an end to his imposter rule. He knewThe Jews looked forward to a King of their own Faith - the Jewish Messiah.
Bible prophecies in the O/T show that Christ will be of the Tribe of Judah and a descendant of King David. Here are some examples of those prophecies that Our Lord fulfilled.
1 Chronicles 17:
When your days are fulfilled that you must go to be with your fathers, that I will set up one of your descendants after you, who will be of your sons; and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build for Me a house, and I will establish his throne forever. .
NB this prophecy, a promise to King David, that after him will become somebody descended from him who will be eternally seated upon the Throne of King David, It is NOT a prophecy of King Solomon's reign, even though he DID build a house for the Lord - ie the 2nd Temple. King Solomon is not the person God speaks to King David of, since later, during the time of the Babylonian Exile, the reign of King Solomon's descendants was brought to an end, Jeremiah prophesied to King Jehoiakim (a descendant of Solomon's Davidic line) that he would never again have a descendant to sit on the throne of David (Jeremiah 36:30). That was the Will of God. It is CHRIST who will enjoy the unbroken reign as King of Israel forever, It is CHRIST's Church that is foretold. Christ is ABLE to be seated eternally upon the Throne of David as King of Israel because is a King who ROSE FROM THE DEAD when He died!
Luke 1:32-33
He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.”
Isaiah 11:
Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse,
And a branch from his roots will bear fruit.
Jesse is King David's Father. Which is another time when God the Father foretold that the promised Messiah will be descended from David's Race.
Jeremiah 23:5-6
“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch;
And He will reign as king and act wisely
And do justice and righteousness in the land.
“In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell securely;
And this is His name by which He will be called,
‘The Lord our righteousness.’
Now read this conversation that Our Lord has with the Samaritan Woman. in John chapter 4
7When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Give Me a drink.” 8 His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.
9“You are a Jew,” said the woman. “How can You ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.
19“Sir,” the woman said, “I see that You are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews say that the place where one must worship is in Jerusalem.”
21“Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You worship what you do not know; WE worship what WE (T do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”
When the Samaritan woman says to Christ " You Jews say that the place where one must worship is in Jerusalem " Christ replies "WE (The Jews) worship what WE (The Jewish Race) DO know." Saying this He is in fact saying that He is Jewish . If he is NOT Jewish - then why doesn't He say to her "Actually I am not a Jew. - I'm another race entirely" In fact in writing St John states "For Jews do not associate with Samaritans" He confirms Christ is Jewish of course. What is more when Christ says "Salvation is from the Jews" He is referring to Himself. The Name Jesus (Yeshua, or Joshua) literally means "God Saves" Christ really IS Salvation - and of course He is a Jew.
Another Prophecy indicating that the Messiah will be a Jew. (ie of the tribe of Judah)
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you ( ie Judah, )will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”
NB "whose origins are from of old, from Ancient times." A title given to Christ in John Chapter 1 (and elsewhere) is "The Word" . St John tells us that "Christ, The Word" was there with God at the Beginning and when things were created at the beginning of the world, nothing was created without Christ's involvement in proceedings. Many times during the Old Testament we hear God speak as though there are a couple of people speaking. That is because God is Triune. The Aramaic Targums make it more obvious when it is God the Father speaking and when it is the pre-Incarnate Christ, who St John called "The Word" - speaking
For instance (I'll add this passage here so you can judge for yourself)
Genesis 19:24
Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah--from the LORD out of the heavens.
Pre-Christian Aramaic Targum version of Genesis 19:24
And the Word of the Lord had caused showers of favour to descend upon Sedom and Amorah, to the intent that they might work repentance, but they did it not: so that they said, Wickedness is not manifest before the Lord. Behold, then, there are now sent down upon them sulphur and fire from before the Word of the Lord from heaven.
another example.......
Genesis 1:27 Aramaic Targum version. Instead of saying "And God created man in His Likeness, it says
"And the Word of the Lord created man in His likeness, in the likeness of the presence of the Lord He created him, the male and his yoke-fellow He created them."
Word of the Lord in the Targums
Okay. I've shown you 100% evidence that Jesus Christ was the Jewish Messiah, who was born of a JEWISH Virgin, and can therefore be considered a descendant of King David which is why He can sit on David's Throne.
I'll provide one final piece of evidence that He was a Jew. He was presented at the Temple and circumcised. He would not have been presented in the Temple and undergon the ritual of Circumcision if He had not been JEWISH!
Luke 2
21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.
The Memra and the Logos: When God’s Word dwelt alive amongst humans
The Memra and the Logos: When God’s Word dwelt alive amongst humans
The Targums and the Memra/Word of the Lord
The Targums and the Memra/Word of the Lord
The Early Church Fathers, John 1:1, and the Pre-Existence of Christ
Wayback Machineforananswer.org -
More Memra Two God's in the OT?
TrintyVIb: More on Memra; two God's in OT?Hebrew concept of Logos
The Trinity In The Old Testament
Wayback Machinebiblestudyplanet.com/the-trinity-in-the-old-testament/
You stated that you were not aware that any proof existed in the Scriptures to indicate that Christ was Jewish. I can't reply to your question on the page where you wrote the question, since the
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus team have decided to be very rude and delete all of our comments. Is it Christianity they are preaching Its hard to tell. They don't seem to like us.
Never mind Rafal, I'll put my reply to you here.....since I've written it.
First of all,
Genesis 3 Mentions "The seed of the woman" or "The offspring of the woman" Theologically, this foretells that a Jewish woman will give birth to a MALE offspring who will defeat the Serpent. This would have astounded the Jews reading their Torah, as normally it is said that the Seed comes from the male.
The original prophecy of Isaiah reflecting Christ's Miraculous birth of a Jewish woman " “Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall name him Immanuel” (ie He shall be known as "God with us." ) (Isaiah 7:14)
Which echoes another prophecy of the Messiah (one of literally hundreds) this specifically given to Isaiah. In Isaiah 9:6 it says
For a child will be born to US (ie ISRAEL), a son will be given to US (the Jewish Race)
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace,
On the throne of David and over his kingdom,
To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness
From then on and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this
Christ is not only 100% Divine, He is also 100% HUMAN. He received His Humanity exclusively from the most Blessed Virgin Mary, whom Scripture tells us is descended directly from Nathan, (one of King Davids sons.) He is of the Line of David through MARY. The Genealogy in Luke shows The Holy Virgin's Descendancy from King David.
Joseph (Christ's legal Guardian, aka Foster Father) is ALSO descended from King David, but his descent comes from the line of Solomon. St Joseph's line can be seen in Matthew 1: The line of descent from King Solomon, became a cursed, broken line shortly before the Babylonian Exile during the reign of his descendant Jehoiakim.. God sent a message to Jehoiakim (through the Prophet Jeremiah) telling him that never again will a descendant of his ever occupy the Throne of Israel
As we all know, Jesus is the prophecised Jewish Messiah. Many places within Scripture say that the Jewish Messiah will be seated upon the Throne of David for eternity. It is not a NEW Throne occupied by an imposter - Only a descendant of David's Line would be allowed to occupy the Throne of David. Which would mean he will be of Jewish Descent. When King Herod occupied the Throne, he was NOT 100% Jewish - he was actually half Roman. Therefore, he was not a valid King in the eyes of the Jewish people of the time and therefore there was much dissent and many uprisings. That is probably why he felt so envious of the baby born in the Manger. He knew that a real King was being born within Israel, and that would bring an end to his imposter rule. He knewThe Jews looked forward to a King of their own Faith - the Jewish Messiah.
Bible prophecies in the O/T show that Christ will be of the Tribe of Judah and a descendant of King David. Here are some examples of those prophecies that Our Lord fulfilled.
1 Chronicles 17:
When your days are fulfilled that you must go to be with your fathers, that I will set up one of your descendants after you, who will be of your sons; and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build for Me a house, and I will establish his throne forever. .
NB this prophecy, a promise to King David, that after him will become somebody descended from him who will be eternally seated upon the Throne of King David, It is NOT a prophecy of King Solomon's reign, even though he DID build a house for the Lord - ie the 2nd Temple. King Solomon is not the person God speaks to King David of, since later, during the time of the Babylonian Exile, the reign of King Solomon's descendants was brought to an end, Jeremiah prophesied to King Jehoiakim (a descendant of Solomon's Davidic line) that he would never again have a descendant to sit on the throne of David (Jeremiah 36:30). That was the Will of God. It is CHRIST who will enjoy the unbroken reign as King of Israel forever, It is CHRIST's Church that is foretold. Christ is ABLE to be seated eternally upon the Throne of David as King of Israel because is a King who ROSE FROM THE DEAD when He died!
Luke 1:32-33
He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.”
Isaiah 11:
Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse,
And a branch from his roots will bear fruit.
Jesse is King David's Father. Which is another time when God the Father foretold that the promised Messiah will be descended from David's Race.
Jeremiah 23:5-6
“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch;
And He will reign as king and act wisely
And do justice and righteousness in the land.
“In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell securely;
And this is His name by which He will be called,
‘The Lord our righteousness.’
Now read this conversation that Our Lord has with the Samaritan Woman. in John chapter 4
7When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Give Me a drink.” 8 His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.
9“You are a Jew,” said the woman. “How can You ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.
19“Sir,” the woman said, “I see that You are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews say that the place where one must worship is in Jerusalem.”
21“Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You worship what you do not know; WE worship what WE (T do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”
When the Samaritan woman says to Christ " You Jews say that the place where one must worship is in Jerusalem " Christ replies "WE (The Jews) worship what WE (The Jewish Race) DO know." Saying this He is in fact saying that He is Jewish . If he is NOT Jewish - then why doesn't He say to her "Actually I am not a Jew. - I'm another race entirely" In fact in writing St John states "For Jews do not associate with Samaritans" He confirms Christ is Jewish of course. What is more when Christ says "Salvation is from the Jews" He is referring to Himself. The Name Jesus (Yeshua, or Joshua) literally means "God Saves" Christ really IS Salvation - and of course He is a Jew.
Another Prophecy indicating that the Messiah will be a Jew. (ie of the tribe of Judah)
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you ( ie Judah, )will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”
NB "whose origins are from of old, from Ancient times." A title given to Christ in John Chapter 1 (and elsewhere) is "The Word" . St John tells us that "Christ, The Word" was there with God at the Beginning and when things were created at the beginning of the world, nothing was created without Christ's involvement in proceedings. Many times during the Old Testament we hear God speak as though there are a couple of people speaking. That is because God is Triune. The Aramaic Targums make it more obvious when it is God the Father speaking and when it is the pre-Incarnate Christ, who St John called "The Word" - speaking
For instance (I'll add this passage here so you can judge for yourself)
Genesis 19:24
Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah--from the LORD out of the heavens.
Pre-Christian Aramaic Targum version of Genesis 19:24
And the Word of the Lord had caused showers of favour to descend upon Sedom and Amorah, to the intent that they might work repentance, but they did it not: so that they said, Wickedness is not manifest before the Lord. Behold, then, there are now sent down upon them sulphur and fire from before the Word of the Lord from heaven.
another example.......
Genesis 1:27 Aramaic Targum version. Instead of saying "And God created man in His Likeness, it says
"And the Word of the Lord created man in His likeness, in the likeness of the presence of the Lord He created him, the male and his yoke-fellow He created them."
Word of the Lord in the Targums
Okay. I've shown you 100% evidence that Jesus Christ was the Jewish Messiah, who was born of a JEWISH Virgin, and can therefore be considered a descendant of King David which is why He can sit on David's Throne.
I'll provide one final piece of evidence that He was a Jew. He was presented at the Temple and circumcised. He would not have been presented in the Temple and undergon the ritual of Circumcision if He had not been JEWISH!
Luke 2
21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.
The Memra and the Logos: When God’s Word dwelt alive amongst humans
The Memra and the Logos: When God’s Word dwelt alive amongst humans
The Targums and the Memra/Word of the Lord
The Targums and the Memra/Word of the Lord
The Early Church Fathers, John 1:1, and the Pre-Existence of Christ
Wayback Machineforananswer.org -
More Memra Two God's in the OT?
TrintyVIb: More on Memra; two God's in OT?Hebrew concept of Logos
The Trinity In The Old Testament
Wayback Machinebiblestudyplanet.com/the-trinity-in-the-old-testament/
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Hi Caroline03 There is neither Jew nor Greek, ... for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. God is Catholic what "jews" and "greeks" don't will to accept...