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Pope Francis: "God Cannot Be without Man“

During his Wednesday audience in St Peter’s Square Pope Francis claimed, “Jesus Christ’s Gospel reveals to us that God cannot be without us. He will never be a God without man. It is he who cannot …
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If anyone does not confess that the world and all things which are contained in it, both spiritual and material, as regards their whole substance, have been produced by God from nothing, or, shall have said that God created not by a volition free of all necessity, but as necessarily as He necessarily loves Himself, or, shall have denied that the world was created to the glory of God: let him be …More
If anyone does not confess that the world and all things which are contained in it, both spiritual and material, as regards their whole substance, have been produced by God from nothing, or, shall have said that God created not by a volition free of all necessity, but as necessarily as He necessarily loves Himself, or, shall have denied that the world was created to the glory of God: let him be anathema.
(First Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Dei Filius; Denz. 1783, 1805; underlining added.)
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This is the heresy that Bergoglio can be a pope without being Catholic.
mccallansteve
From eternity God was without man and was doing just fine, thank you. It was out of pure love for us that he created us, not because he needed us. We have been nothing but rebellious from the start and cost His Son every drop of His blood and still the majority have no use for the Savior. This pope knows precious little about the faith and those who follow his theology do so to their own peril.
BrTomFordeOFMCap
Thanks for the link Lisi. I went on to the full text and found this
"Dear brothers and sisters, we are never alone. We can be far, hostile; we can even say we are “without God.” But Jesus Christ’s Gospel reveals to us that God cannot be without us: He will never be a God “without man”; it is He who cannot be without us, and this is a great mystery! God cannot be God without man: this is a great …More
Thanks for the link Lisi. I went on to the full text and found this
"Dear brothers and sisters, we are never alone. We can be far, hostile; we can even say we are “without God.” But Jesus Christ’s Gospel reveals to us that God cannot be without us: He will never be a God “without man”; it is He who cannot be without us, and this is a great mystery! God cannot be God without man: this is a great mystery! "

In context the Holy Father is saying that in the Incarnation God has made a definitive commitment to humanity. Humanity cannot cease to be because God has become man. In this sense God 'needs' man in that God has chosen to unite man to Himself in Christ. This cannot be undone.

One has to take the statement out of context to make the Holy Father appear as a gnostic.
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Lisi Sterndorfer
@BrTomFordeOFMCap The pope said in yesterday during general audience.

You find it in different news-sources, e.g.: zenit.org/…/pope-at-general…
BrTomFordeOFMCap
What is the source for this? When and where did he say it? I went along to the Vatican website and this is what it says the Pope said yesterday:
"Dear Brothers and Sisters: In our continuing catechesis on Christian hope, we now consider the source of that hope in the fatherhood of God. When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, he taught them to call God Our Father. Here we see the …More
What is the source for this? When and where did he say it? I went along to the Vatican website and this is what it says the Pope said yesterday:
"Dear Brothers and Sisters: In our continuing catechesis on Christian hope, we now consider the source of that hope in the fatherhood of God. When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, he taught them to call God Our Father. Here we see the great religious revolution introduced by Christianity: taught by the Saviour’s command, we dare to speak to the transcendent and all-holy God as children speak, with complete trust, to a loving father. In the parable of the merciful father, who welcomes his prodigal son with supreme forgiveness, Jesus speaks to us of the Father’s unconditional love. In his Letters, Saint Paul twice repeats the original Aramaic word used by Jesus in his prayer: “Abba” (cf. Rom 8:15; Gal 4:6). As God’s adoptive sons and daughters in the Holy Spirit, we share in the intimate relationship between Jesus and the Father, and this is the basis of our sure hope in God’s saving help. Each day, as we pray the Lord’s Prayer, may we be confirmed in the knowledge that, in his merciful love, our heavenly Father will watch over us, respond to our petitions, and never abandon us." it is here:w2.vatican.va/…/papa-francesco_…

I went back through four audiences and could not find the quote. When and where did he say this?
mmeharriet
Once again, francis contradicts the Catechism saying "God cannot be without man". The Catechism states that God is self-existing and does not owe His existence to any other being. God always was and always will be and remains the same. He needs nothing and is perfect in and of Himself. Someone: PLEASE send Francis a catechism! Bishops: where are you to correct these fallacies???