Exorcist Andrea Gemma on Medjugorje: "Absolutely Diabolical"

Bishop and Exorcist Andrea Gemma on Medjugorje: "Absolutely Diabolical" Vatican City You speak of "underworld interests". Of what kind? "I'm referring to 'the Devil's dung', to money, what else? At …
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mathe
The allegations about money are nonsense. I have been there , and it is no different from Lourdes or Fatima. There are hotels and restaurants ( very cheap ) and you can buy stuff ( everything extremely cheap to western standarts) . The thousands of pelgrims cant sleep in the grass! and eat berries . pelgrimages are organised , yes, whats wrong with that?
mathe
father Amort , former chief exorcist of Rome , says the opposite . He said that Medjugorje is a fortress , a stronghold against the devil. Also Cardinal Schonbrun is very in favor of Medjugorje. This november he invited one of the seeers to Vienna . There was an apparition in the Cathedral with Card. Schonbrun present.
StellaMARIA
Priest Leonid, redemptorist from Ukraine province, participated in the 15th International seminar for priest in Medjugorje and gave the testimony, first to the other participants and then to Radio Station Mir Medjugorje. We publish the testimony as it was given:
My first pilgrimage to Medjugorje was related to my obligations and to my occupation in the priest vocation. Namely, in 2005 local …More
Priest Leonid, redemptorist from Ukraine province, participated in the 15th International seminar for priest in Medjugorje and gave the testimony, first to the other participants and then to Radio Station Mir Medjugorje. We publish the testimony as it was given:
My first pilgrimage to Medjugorje was related to my obligations and to my occupation in the priest vocation. Namely, in 2005 local Church entrusted me with huge responsibility and gave me heavy burden to carry and that was service of exorcist. The first months and the very first year were filled with God’s love and grace, but also with great difficulties and tempations. One of the major difficulties took place during one session of exorcism over one possessed person. That person spoke to me in very rough voice, full of horror in these words: “I am horrible, I am powerful, and I will destroy you. I will destroy your priesthood and all of your life.” Although that was quite bad, I did not take that seriously at all. After all, I believed in God completely and I did not have any reasons to doubt that. I also knew that if I had fear in front of the Satan that would be as if I already lost something. But God allowed this situation to take place, and I am going to share with you how great and how mighty his Mother is, and how Medjugorje is sacred ground.
When I was in great pain, when I suffered and when I was tempted daily, I was not able to pray at all. I would go to confession every single day, but Satan tempted me all the times. The temptations were so strong that I lost peace in my soul completely. And not only that, I also felt that I lost my priesthood and my vocation. I felt that was complete and total destruction of my life. In that difficult reality, while I was still unable to figure out what was happening to me, somebody offered me to come to Medjugorje. And I came. I was with a group of priests. I was just not able to pray, not even when they prayed. During that pilgrimage I met one other priest, father Ambrosias from Slovakia. He completely sacrificed his life and his vocation working with people from Ukraine in the region of Carpatho – Ukraine. He travelled soon after heart attack, and he also had diabetes. He was a Franciscan priest who came to Medjugorje five times before that. He absolutely thrilled me with his life and humbleness. He became my friend, I would help him around, take him by the hand, as he was older man. It appeared as I was helping to him, but the truth was that it was the other way round. We were once climbing up the Hill of Apparitions and it was to be the apparition to one of the visionaries. Everything was packed with people, priests. I sat next to Fr. Ambrosias and I turned my back to the apparition site. I felt myself not worthy of being there at all. But during the time of the Rosary, I felt desire to look towards that direction, to see what was happening there. At the same time, as I felt that desire, other inner voice was saying to me not to look there. You are failure and you will end up in hell, I heard. It was horrible. Those first, positive feelings directed my look towards the apparition site. I started to look and I was searching for a sign. Maybe I was to see something at the end. Hope was being born in me slowly, but also more new arguments about how my humiliation was not to be changed. But, I believed in crucial moment. Just for a moment. And in that very moment, as the answer to all of the questions ever rose, I was able to feel how Our Lady was coming down, from Heaven to this world. It was horrible in that moment. Such a powerful perception, scent of the other world I used to feel up to that point. And then, I was appeased by certain gentleness, light touch, like a gentle breeze of Our Lady’s presence. She was coming closer to me. And as She was closer to me, the power of evil was disappearing. In my heart I experienced new revelation. I was able to experience how powerful Her presence is, how she was humble. Then I realised that She does not cast away evil spirits, but they ran themselves. The are not able to bear Her purity and beauty of Her presence. She does not humiliate them nor She sends them away. She simply loves them and they can not stand that! And then, change of spirits within me took place. Spirit of Satan, spirit that destroys, disappeared with all of his depressions and fears. Instead of that spirit, Our Lady’s spirit took place. In my heart, I heard the voice: “Do not be afraid, I am your mother! I am your guarantee that you will not be destroyed, that you will not fail.” Everything was changed. That experience of presence of Our Blessed Mother became miracle of love that saves me, my vocation and my life! I started to feel Our Lady’s presence in every exorcism I perform.

I will just share one little example, since there are many similar ones. Our priests were dealing with one possessed girl who came to confess in front of one young priest who just returned after his studies in Rome. And as he was saying the absolution words, that person, Satan in that person hit that priest so hard that he felt down immediately. Then, the same person started calling other priest in some strange voice. That priest was scared and he called me. After few moments that girl was in front of me and I started to pray over her. As I began exorcism, I knew the diagnosis straight away, the girl was severely possessed and I invited five devoted faithful to pray as well. As I recited traditional prayers of exorcism, Satan just laughed. It spoke to me in English language, humiliated me and constantly laughed at me. Then, I began to pray to Our Lady. I was totally exhausted. I began to be nervous as well. I felt that I need to finish my prayer, but the evil spirit was not going away. It was the spirit of suicide. I began to call Our Lady with all of my heart. In the same way as the child calls his mom. And real screaming began at those moments: “ I can not stay here any longer, Our Lady is here, I need to go away.” And the spirit was gone. This was just one situation and there are so many similar ones. During these five years, as I have been entrusted the service of exorcism, I experience many temptations and trials. I had those before; I know I will have those in the future as well. But, Our Lady keeps me in Her heart. I CAN NO LONGER LIVE WITHOUT MEDJUGORJE AND JERUSALEM. I need to be in Medjugorje and Jerusalem every year. That is what faith is for me. Here I have faith, blessing and grace. I am grateful to dear God that I am able to witness Our Lady’s grace in this way. I would like each one of us to want to love more our Blessed Mother, Mother of God. She is our Mother. She loves Her children. She is prepared to do anything Her children ask of Her. I feel that if it wasn’t for Her presence, we would all be destroyed. That is why we should try to live every second of our lives with Her. I feel personal invitation to help other people to come to Medjugorje. To bring here all of those people who experience tremendous spiritual suffering.”
At the end, priest Leonid blessed all of the listeners of Radio Mir.

GOD BLESS PRIEST LEONID!!!

The priest, exorcist -- I can no longer live without Medjugorje
StellaMARIA
July, 2002 – Fr. Gabriel Amorth:
“Medjugorje is a fortress against Satan. Satan hates Medjugorje because it is a place of conversion, of prayer, of transformation of life…I always understood Medjugorje as a continuation of Fatima. According to Our Lady’s words in Fatima, if we had prayed and fasted, there would not have been World War II. We have not listed to her and therefore there was a war. …More
July, 2002 – Fr. Gabriel Amorth:
“Medjugorje is a fortress against Satan. Satan hates Medjugorje because it is a place of conversion, of prayer, of transformation of life…I always understood Medjugorje as a continuation of Fatima. According to Our Lady’s words in Fatima, if we had prayed and fasted, there would not have been World War II. We have not listed to her and therefore there was a war. Also here in Medjugorje, Our Lady often calls to prayer for peace. In her apparitions, Our Lady always presents herself under another name to show the goal of her apparitions. At Lourdes, she presented herself as the Immaculate Conception, in Fatima as the Queen of the Holy Rosary. Here in Medjugorje, Our Lady presented herself as the Queen of Peace. We all remember the (her) words “Mir, Mir, Mir” (peace, peace, peace) that were written in the sky at the very beginning of the apparitions. We see clearly that humanity is running the risk of war, and Our Lady insists on prayer and on Christian life to attain peace.”

www.ignatiusinsight.com/features/framorth_excerp…
www.ignatiusinsight.com/features/framorth_excerp…

GOD BLESS PRIEST GABRIEL AMORTH!!!
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StellaMARIA
Priest Leonid, redemptorist from Ukraine province, participated in the 15th International seminar for priest in Medjugorje and gave the testimony, first to the other participants and then to Radio Station Mir Medjugorje. We publish the testimony as it was given:
My first pilgrimage to Medjugorje was related to my obligations and to my occupation in the priest vocation. Namely, in 2005 local …
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Priest Leonid, redemptorist from Ukraine province, participated in the 15th International seminar for priest in Medjugorje and gave the testimony, first to the other participants and then to Radio Station Mir Medjugorje. We publish the testimony as it was given:
My first pilgrimage to Medjugorje was related to my obligations and to my occupation in the priest vocation. Namely, in 2005 local Church entrusted me with huge responsibility and gave me heavy burden to carry and that was service of exorcist. The first months and the very first year were filled with God’s love and grace, but also with great difficulties and tempations. One of the major difficulties took place during one session of exorcism over one possessed person....more

The priest, exorcist -- I can no longer live without Medjugorje



GOD BLESS PRIEST LEONID!!!THANKS FOR TESTIMONY...
ACLumsden
Dear sister:
1. The Gospels were written over a century AFTER Christ died. Therefore the words of which you speak are not direct speech but reported speech.

2. As a Roman Catholic we believe that we are guided by:
a. Holy Scripture as interpreted exclusively by HOly Mother Church
b. Sacred Tradition, e.g. the Patristic Fathers, etc.
c. The Magesterium of the Church, i.e. the teaching authority …More
Dear sister:
1. The Gospels were written over a century AFTER Christ died. Therefore the words of which you speak are not direct speech but reported speech.

2. As a Roman Catholic we believe that we are guided by:
a. Holy Scripture as interpreted exclusively by HOly Mother Church
b. Sacred Tradition, e.g. the Patristic Fathers, etc.
c. The Magesterium of the Church, i.e. the teaching authority of Holy Mother Church.

Your debate is an old one, something which was dealt with by the Magesterium of the Roman Church at the Council of Trent and reiterated at the Second Oecumenical Council of the Vatican. Therefore, as a Roman Catholic, one seeks clarity from the Church in her teachings on the subject. It is insufficient, as a Roman Catholic, to go to Sacred Scripture on ones own.

Therefore, I urge you to read, in conjuction with Sacred Scripture, the teachings (interpreted by the Church) of Holy Mother Church. In these teachings, yes, it is necessary to have faith to be saved (Catechism of the catholic Church #846). However this is not enough to be saved (Verbum Dei, Gavdivm et Spes). True conversion of life is required not to mention a full sacramental life. Nevertheless, at the end of the struggle in this motal coil, we cannot merit salvation by our works, nor deserve it by faith. We live in hope; salvation is a gift given by God according to HIS will. He alone sees the heart, even better than we do ourselves.

alinalotte
@ACLumsden:"Are you Roman Catholic? " - is this your reaction to me quoting words spoken directly by Jesus Christ ? Now you are putting your haughty spirit above the Living Word. This is not about me,or him ,but testimony to the fact that Our Lady,Mother of God ( " In the Begining was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God...") ,Our Mother ( " Son,behold your …More
@ACLumsden:"Are you Roman Catholic? " - is this your reaction to me quoting words spoken directly by Jesus Christ ? Now you are putting your haughty spirit above the Living Word. This is not about me,or him ,but testimony to the fact that Our Lady,Mother of God ( " In the Begining was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God...") ,Our Mother ( " Son,behold your Mother ! Woman - behold your son ! - Christ from the Cross ) always leads us to Her Son (" Do,whatever He tells you !") and to the fact that we,Roman Catholics believe as we pray: " May we all become worthy of the Promises of Christ." The Apostles filled with The Holy Spirit preached the good news of The Living Word and over three thousands were converted and baptised in one day . " For in Christ there is no Greek,or Jew...for we are all one in Christ." " Faith comes by hearing and hearing by Word of God."
gdacumos
James 2:24
You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

Indeed, Fatima has the most and has the recent evidence of the message from heaven, and is approved by the Holy See (also in Kibeho). According to the Angel of Peace, only through recieving the Holy Eucharit is the way to holiness (John 6:52-58).

Personal conlusion: The works will save us by doing …More
James 2:24
You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

Indeed, Fatima has the most and has the recent evidence of the message from heaven, and is approved by the Holy See (also in Kibeho). According to the Angel of Peace, only through recieving the Holy Eucharit is the way to holiness (John 6:52-58).

Personal conlusion: The works will save us by doing the commandments of God, participating in His Sacraments. Without works, there is no faith. Works is the manifestion of faith.
ACLumsden
Are you Roman Catholic?
alinalotte
@ACLumsden : Eph 2:8 :" For by God ye are saved through faith and that not of uourselves:it is the gift of God not by works so that no man can boast." The only proper reaction would have been :" Praise the Lord!" . " However ! " you have chosen to question the works of the Holy Spirit... " Your faith had saved you " " Whatever you ask for with faith,in My Name ye shall receive " ; " Believe …More
@ACLumsden : Eph 2:8 :" For by God ye are saved through faith and that not of uourselves:it is the gift of God not by works so that no man can boast." The only proper reaction would have been :" Praise the Lord!" . " However ! " you have chosen to question the works of the Holy Spirit... " Your faith had saved you " " Whatever you ask for with faith,in My Name ye shall receive " ; " Believe and ye shall be saved, ye and your whole household." ; " O,ye of little faith " ;" If ye had faith the size of this mustard seed,you would be able to move mountains." ," The last ones shall be the first ." ; " ... and the Bridegroom went out to the streets and invited the blind and the lame to His Wedding Banquet." ; " If ye Believe on Me and hold on to My Word,My Father is going to love you and I and My Father are going to come to you and make Our Dwelling within you." ;" Don't ye know that ye are the Temples of the Holy Spirit,Whose Dwellings ye are ? " ;" Unless ye become as little children,ye shall not enter the Kingdom of God ." ; " Do not grieve the Holy Spirit." :" All sins shall be forgiven,but not those against the Holy Spirit." - Jesus Christ.
ACLumsden
@alinalotte - One is not in a position to interpret or preside over you or your husband's experience. However! You have said that we are saved through faith. I am here to tell you that you are in grave error.

Salvation is a gift that only God can give through Jesus the Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit. NO ONE can merit it, deserve it, or work for this gift of Salvation. This is why St …More
@alinalotte - One is not in a position to interpret or preside over you or your husband's experience. However! You have said that we are saved through faith. I am here to tell you that you are in grave error.

Salvation is a gift that only God can give through Jesus the Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit. NO ONE can merit it, deserve it, or work for this gift of Salvation. This is why St Paul tells us to "work out your salvation in fear and tembling". ONLY GOD has the authority to save; whether one says hundreds of rosaries, novenas, visits to the Blessed Sacrament, attends daily Masses, or not, it is God in the end who bestows that most precious of gifts upon the soul.

To say that "We are saved by faith" is to stand before God and make a presentation to Him of all our good deeds, devotions,etc., and say "Look I served you well, so you MUST save me now"..... This is not Christian in the least.

Do take care not to fall in that generation of which Our Lord spoke: This generation is wicked, you chase after signs and wonders, but you shall be given only one sign, that of Jonah! (Lk 11:29).

alinalotte
@ St Benedict,pray for us : My late husband, born moslem,atheist for 40 years of his adult life who said :" I too,wish I could believe as you do,but my mind,my messed up scientific mind will not let me" the day he was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit, his face,his whole upper body shining with internal light,having bowed and asked a Lady three times ,if She really speaks to him in Polish,…More
@ St Benedict,pray for us : My late husband, born moslem,atheist for 40 years of his adult life who said :" I too,wish I could believe as you do,but my mind,my messed up scientific mind will not let me" the day he was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit, his face,his whole upper body shining with internal light,having bowed and asked a Lady three times ,if She really speaks to him in Polish,following Her example ,blessed himself with the sign of the Cross, giving homage to the Holy Trinity, by the gift of The Holy Spirit,proclaimed Christ in such high English that his jaw dropped in wonder,when he realized that what was coming out of his mouth was not of his own making,neither could he credit his limited intelligence for it. What saved his soul for eternity was the fact that he let go of his ego and empty pride and with humility and childlike openess of a heart ,proclaimed Christ. For we are saved through Faith.
kfarley
You're not having to believe in either approved or unapproved, the fact remains all apparitions once fell into the unapproved catagory. History repeats itself, Fatima & Lourdes had the same debunkers making the same old short-sighted observations and criticisms as people who don't believe in Medjugorje do today. You either "get it" or you don't. You are not required to believe anything for that …More
You're not having to believe in either approved or unapproved, the fact remains all apparitions once fell into the unapproved catagory. History repeats itself, Fatima & Lourdes had the same debunkers making the same old short-sighted observations and criticisms as people who don't believe in Medjugorje do today. You either "get it" or you don't. You are not required to believe anything for that matter. The ignorant individuals are the ones who make bold statements before the Papal Commission makes it's statement. People who don't believe in Medjugorje mistakenly believe those that do care what they think. That is the comedy of this situation!
Tu_es_Petrus
Like I said before, if we are not bound to believe in APPROVED private revelation, why do we suddenly need to believe in UNAPPROVED ones?

Here's a sampler of people's bizarre behavior in Medjugorje:

www.youtube.com/watch

Seriously!? This is why people go there? To stare at the sun and try to destroy their electronic equipment, not to mention the eyes?

"I'll be right there honey. Just a …More
Like I said before, if we are not bound to believe in APPROVED private revelation, why do we suddenly need to believe in UNAPPROVED ones?

Here's a sampler of people's bizarre behavior in Medjugorje:

www.youtube.com/watch

Seriously!? This is why people go there? To stare at the sun and try to destroy their electronic equipment, not to mention the eyes?

"I'll be right there honey. Just a few more shots of the clouds to share with our friends back home"

I see lunacy, not holiness.
kfarley
Very inspiring!
alinalotte
It is not "one of them " - one of the visionaries,but an American enteprenuer that was organizing the meetings and taking money from people requesting private meetings with the visiting visionary.Keep in mind :" The satan will lie in wait to strike Her heel ,but She will destroy his head " Satan always tries to destroy Virgin Mary's work aimed at salvation of souls and today with whole Europe …More
It is not "one of them " - one of the visionaries,but an American enteprenuer that was organizing the meetings and taking money from people requesting private meetings with the visiting visionary.Keep in mind :" The satan will lie in wait to strike Her heel ,but She will destroy his head " Satan always tries to destroy Virgin Mary's work aimed at salvation of souls and today with whole Europe accepting the idea of reality of one god,with denying the One True God of Judeo- Christianity all devil's efforts are aimed at destroying traditional Marian piety and veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary,Mother of God - to destroy in human minds and hearts the notion of Mother of God,the Redeemer, to present Our Beloved Lord just as a mere prophet, one of "manifestations" of God as were Krishna,Buddha,Abraham,Mohammad,Baha-ullah " ( I know one overly educated ex Catholic seminarian that actually believes it !) . Do we,as Catholics disregard the teachings of the Church based on personal conduct of priests and bishops and the scandals they caused ? " Believe,what they tell you,but do not do as they do " - Jesus Christ. Is it any wonder with smoke of satan entering the Church and " Wisdom nowhere to be found" ,that Mother of God,who always pondered on ALL things regarding her Son and kept them in her heart,who told us to " Do whatever He tells you" tries to warn us ? Wouldn't it be more prudent to live in proper response to Her messages,than to let our pride discard them ?
kfarley
Fortunately the USCCB has little influence in the Church because if it did speak for the majority of Churches in the U.S. the sermons would consist of pro-abortion and pro-homosexual tirades!-Nice try though!
Tu_es_Petrus
Sbpfu,
That JS Award strike close to home, literally. I'm in Utah, so I can probably make some arrangements.
Tu_es_Petrus
"Every diocese in the United States has tours to Medjugorje and to believe that every diocese in the U.S. and worldwide for that matter for the past 2 1/2 decades has been in violation of the Vatican decree is utter foolishness"

That's the USCCB for ya.
ACLumsden
SBpfu - Do behave... YOu card you...!
kfarley
Every diocese in the United States has tours to Medjugorje and to believe that every diocese in the U.S. and worldwide for that matter for the past 2 1/2 decades has been in violation of the Vatican decree is utter foolishness. As I have stated, in order for a ban to be placed on an apparition site it has to be deemed false by the Vatican Commission. Medjugorje has not and will not be judged …More
Every diocese in the United States has tours to Medjugorje and to believe that every diocese in the U.S. and worldwide for that matter for the past 2 1/2 decades has been in violation of the Vatican decree is utter foolishness. As I have stated, in order for a ban to be placed on an apparition site it has to be deemed false by the Vatican Commission. Medjugorje has not and will not be judged either way until: 1. The apparitons have ceased to occur. 2. After the cessation of the apparitions (sometimes years after) the Vatican Commission will render its verdict. Pilgrims are free to go to Medjugorje and continue to do so.
ACLumsden
I reiterate. In the Gospel of Luke we see the answer clearly:

"As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah."

Luke 11:29

Signs and wonders are not what the Christian chases after, leave that to the Pagans and soothsayers! Seek God, seek the Truth. How? Through Sacred Scripture, Tradition …More
I reiterate. In the Gospel of Luke we see the answer clearly:

"As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah."

Luke 11:29

Signs and wonders are not what the Christian chases after, leave that to the Pagans and soothsayers! Seek God, seek the Truth. How? Through Sacred Scripture, Tradition and Holy Mother Church. (full-stop!)
Tu_es_Petrus
It will be interesting to see how quickly Medjugorje merchants will close shop when the papal commission rules against the alleged visions.

Place your bets now. They will:

1. Close shop immediately
2. Continue spreading the "messages", because "a new papal commission will exonerate them"
3. Become the Medjugorje sheepdogs and offer 50% off all forbidden material before moving on

I'm not really…More
It will be interesting to see how quickly Medjugorje merchants will close shop when the papal commission rules against the alleged visions.

Place your bets now. They will:

1. Close shop immediately
2. Continue spreading the "messages", because "a new papal commission will exonerate them"
3. Become the Medjugorje sheepdogs and offer 50% off all forbidden material before moving on

I'm not really a betting man, but I think #2 is most likely.
Holy Cannoli
Holy Cannoli
You have proved little other than that you are willing to acknowledge NOTHING that conflicts with your own personal worldview, in this case, with Medjufraud.
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The supporters of Medjugorje emphasize that the Holy See has never expressed any position on the matter.

"That's another lie! As I pointed out before, the Vatican has forbidden pilgrimages by priests to the place…More
You have proved little other than that you are willing to acknowledge NOTHING that conflicts with your own personal worldview, in this case, with Medjufraud.
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The supporters of Medjugorje emphasize that the Holy See has never expressed any position on the matter.

"That's another lie! As I pointed out before, the Vatican has forbidden pilgrimages by priests to the place

Exorcist and Bishop Andrea Gemma on Medjugorje

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Thanks for playing but you lose.

kfarley
I've already proven my point and you can choose not to accept it as indeed you will.
Holy Cannoli
"trick the uninformed"?

The uniformed would be you. Add to that, your refusal to acknowledge, much less accept, the informed opinoins of those who have personal knowledge and experience with Medjufraud.
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"Absolutely Diabolical"


"The truth is that when the Bishop of Mostar speaks, the Church of Christ speaks, and is it to him, who speaks with the authori…More
"trick the uninformed"?

The uniformed would be you. Add to that, your refusal to acknowledge, much less accept, the informed opinoins of those who have personal knowledge and experience with Medjufraud.
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"Absolutely Diabolical"


"The truth is that when the Bishop of Mostar speaks, the Church of Christ speaks, and is it to him, who speaks with the authority conferred to him by the Vatican, that we need to listen. Thus, the Holy See has already expressed itself with the words of the Bishop of Mostar, making evident that Medjugorje is a diabolical trick. But I will share a secret with you. You'll see that soon the Vatican will intervene with something explosive, to unmask once and for all who is behind this swindle."

Exorcist and Bishop Andrea Gemma on Medjugorje: "Absolutely Diabolical"

kfarley
www.marian-times.com/…/pope-benedict-n…There is no ban on pilgimages to Medjugorje until an apparition site is Proven False. This ban, if it were to occur would happen after the Papal Commission renders its decision on the authenticity of the apparitions in Medjugorje which can only occur after the apparitions have ceased and the Papal Commission has made its declaration.
kfarley
If you had researched your story you'd find this "ban" never occurred and is in fact put out there to trick the uninformed.
Holy Cannoli
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict, issued a ban on pilgrimages to the site (Medjufraud) but this has been widely ignored.

Father Vlasic was suspended last year by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith amid an inquiry into his conduct after three commissions failed to find evidence to support the visionaries' claims.

The Vatican also began an inquiry into claims he …More
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict, issued a ban on pilgrimages to the site (Medjufraud) but this has been widely ignored.

Father Vlasic was suspended last year by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith amid an inquiry into his conduct after three commissions failed to find evidence to support the visionaries' claims.

The Vatican also began an inquiry into claims he was guilty of sexual immorality after he made a nun pregnant.

The defrocking was secretly signed off by the Pope in March.

Father Vlasic refused to cooperate with the investigation from the outset and he was banished to a monastery in L’Aquila, Italy, where he was forbidden to communicate with anyone, even his lawyers, without the permission of his superior.

It emerged yesterday that he has chosen to leave the priesthood and his order, a move which has brought the investigation to an abrupt halt.

The defrocking of Father Vlasic means he is stripped of his priest status.

This represents a massive blow to millions of Medjugorje followers worldwide who were hoping that the Vatican would one day legitimise the controversial shrine.

www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Pope-defrocks-p…
kfarley
kfarley
Holy Cannoli
kfarley
The USCCB is a glaring example of what "Bishops" speak for!
Holy Cannoli
kfarley
Holy Cannoli
The supporters of Medjugorje emphasize that the Holy See has never expressed any position on the matter.

"The truth is that when the Bishop of Mostar speaks, the Church of Christ speaks, and is it to him, who speaks with the authority conferred to him by the Vatican, that we need to listen. Thus, the Holy See has already expressed itself with the words of the Bishop of Mostar, making evident …More
The supporters of Medjugorje emphasize that the Holy See has never expressed any position on the matter.

"The truth is that when the Bishop of Mostar speaks, the Church of Christ speaks, and is it to him, who speaks with the authority conferred to him by the Vatican, that we need to listen. Thus, the Holy See has already expressed itself with the words of the Bishop of Mostar, making evident that Medjugorje is a diabolical trick."

Exorcist and Bishop Andrea Gemma

kfarley
Apparently this bishop holds his opinion above that of the Papal Commission by his declaration of "Absolutely Diabolical". This leads the thinking individual to ask what else does this bishop speak on of his own authority instead of the Church's? The Vatican Commission has not rendered a decision yet and can't until the apparitions at Medjugorje cease yet this bishop has already formed his "…More
Apparently this bishop holds his opinion above that of the Papal Commission by his declaration of "Absolutely Diabolical". This leads the thinking individual to ask what else does this bishop speak on of his own authority instead of the Church's? The Vatican Commission has not rendered a decision yet and can't until the apparitions at Medjugorje cease yet this bishop has already formed his "Absolute" conclusion....? Very telling of the renegade & pride-filled bishop Andrea who makes his own declarations apart from the Catholic Church! Thank you Gloria for exposing this rebel and informing people of the clergy in the Church who wish to put themselves in front of Papal authority!
Tu_es_Petrus
July 25, 2011:
"Dear children! May this time be for you a time of prayer and silence. Rest your body and spirit, may they be in God’s love. Permit me, little children, to lead you, open your hearts to the Holy Spirit so that all the good that is in you may blossom and bear fruit one hundred fold. Begin and end the day with prayer with the heart. Thank you for having responded to my call."

Janu…More
July 25, 2011:
"Dear children! May this time be for you a time of prayer and silence. Rest your body and spirit, may they be in God’s love. Permit me, little children, to lead you, open your hearts to the Holy Spirit so that all the good that is in you may blossom and bear fruit one hundred fold. Begin and end the day with prayer with the heart. Thank you for having responded to my call."

January 25. 2011:
“Dear children! Also today I am with you and I am looking at you and blessing you, and I am not losing hope that this world will change for the good and that peace will reign in the hearts of men. Joy will begin to reign in the world because you have opened yourselves to my call and to God’s love. The Holy Spirit is changing a multitude of those who have said ‘yes’. Therefore I desire to say to you: thank you for having responded to my call.”

Well, I guess there's no salvation outside of Medjugorje.
ACLumsden
In the Gospel of Luke we see the answer clearly:

"As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah."

Luke 11:29

Signs and wonders are not what the Christian chases after, leave that to the Pagans and soothsayers! Seek God, seek the Truth. How? Through Sacred Scripture, Tradition and Holy Mother …More
In the Gospel of Luke we see the answer clearly:

"As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah."

Luke 11:29

Signs and wonders are not what the Christian chases after, leave that to the Pagans and soothsayers! Seek God, seek the Truth. How? Through Sacred Scripture, Tradition and Holy Mother Church. (full-stop!)
Tu_es_Petrus
kfarley,
It's clear that the "messages" will continue as long as there's money to be made. I hope that the papal commission sees enough of Medjugorje that they won't wait until they cease (they make those rules you know) and rules on it accordingly... Hopefully soon.
kfarley
Benedict XVI thought enough of Medjugorje to have a Papal Commission organized of the identical format that investigated Lourdes and Fatima to investigate Medjugorje. When the apparitons cease (which the have not) a final analysis can be done on authenticity or not of the apparitions there. The Church never gives final word as to authenticity of any apparition, Fatima and Lourdes included, until …More
Benedict XVI thought enough of Medjugorje to have a Papal Commission organized of the identical format that investigated Lourdes and Fatima to investigate Medjugorje. When the apparitons cease (which the have not) a final analysis can be done on authenticity or not of the apparitions there. The Church never gives final word as to authenticity of any apparition, Fatima and Lourdes included, until after the event has ceased. Since Medjugorje is still ongoing if you understand the Church's process in these matters, final approval will be given when the apparitions at Medjugorje have ended. Pilgrims are allowed to go to Medjugorje and every diocese in the United States has tours that go there every year. Catholics are not required to believe in Medjugorje just as Catholics are not required to believe in Lourdes and Fatima that have already been given final approval by the Church.
Holy Cannoli
If you want to learn anything well, study under the best you can afford. If you are unable to study under a good teacher, then, read the best that is available.

For Catholics, this would be Sacred Scripture followed by the works of the Doctors and the Fathers and finally the writings of the saints.

The same rule applies with apparitions. If you must, seek out the best, without any controversy …More
If you want to learn anything well, study under the best you can afford. If you are unable to study under a good teacher, then, read the best that is available.

For Catholics, this would be Sacred Scripture followed by the works of the Doctors and the Fathers and finally the writings of the saints.

The same rule applies with apparitions. If you must, seek out the best, without any controversy that have withstood the test of time.

With respect to apparitions, I favor Fatima and Divine Mercy.

Tu_es_Petrus
Kfarley, you linked to some anonymous person's blog post that offers no references. It only shows that everyone has an opinion.

If indeed Bl. John Paul II was a supporter of Medjugorje (to the end), then I think he dropped the ball in this instance. Yeah, there's definitely something supernatural going on, but exactly what? It's still to be definitively determined by church authority, although …More
Kfarley, you linked to some anonymous person's blog post that offers no references. It only shows that everyone has an opinion.

If indeed Bl. John Paul II was a supporter of Medjugorje (to the end), then I think he dropped the ball in this instance. Yeah, there's definitely something supernatural going on, but exactly what? It's still to be definitively determined by church authority, although the faithful should have already been obedient to the local bishop.

I used to be a fan of unapproved Marian apparitions until I got burned and realized just how un-Catholic many of the supporter really are (if not outright loony). They are overly invested in these phenomena rather than to the sound teachings of the magisterium and saints. When the church finally condemns these false apparitions, many no doubt will credit it to "bishops opposing bishops" (Marian prophecy) and become disobedient, not realizing that they're the ones who got dupped.

Pride and disobience was Satan's fall. Our Lord's victory was in humility and obedience to the will of His Father. If we don't need to believe in APPROVED private revelations, why do people think they need unapproved ones? Because rather than simply living the Gospel they want their ears tickled by the "Gospa".

Unlike the Medjugorje celebrities, legitimate mystics choose to live in poverty and hiding. Not one nun or priest out of the whole Med6 bunch.
gdacumos
There is no free book prints, conference hall rental and food supply, also some other media equipment. They are expenssive. The spreading of the messages won't be possible if they won't spend money and the money that they will spend for spreading the messages comes from the workers and supporters.

Also, I won't deny Medjugorje. I won't be Catholic and happy if not because of this. Medjurgorje …More
There is no free book prints, conference hall rental and food supply, also some other media equipment. They are expenssive. The spreading of the messages won't be possible if they won't spend money and the money that they will spend for spreading the messages comes from the workers and supporters.

Also, I won't deny Medjugorje. I won't be Catholic and happy if not because of this. Medjurgorje aside from Divine Mercy, is a sign for me that Catholic is the church established by Jesus Christ. Believe me, this generation is filled with confusion specially scandals in the church, many are fallen and leave the faith, and join the sects that teaches Catholic is the whore of babylone. Heaven is watching over.
Holy Cannoli
Whether Medjugorje is authentic or not...I like it's messages

What's wrong with Lourdes?
How about Fatima, Czestochowa, or LaSalette?

If you must study apparitions or make a pilgrimage, why not go to places without controversy?

Now faith is the substantiating of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 (D/R)