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Pope Francis Says Sex Abuse Victims Are Slandering Catholic Bishop They Say Helped Commit Sex …

www.newsweek.com/pope-francis-ch… Pope Francis accused sex abuse victims of slandering a Catholic bishop they said was complicit in their abuse, angering Chileans at the end of his visit to the …
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Jim Dorchak
@Uncle Joe The issues are centered around Liberation Theology which is the communist movement in the Church. Started I believe by Oscar Romero who was a buddy of Our Holy Father. THIS IS THE MAIN PROBLEM because it puts politics and SOCIAL JUSTICE above the Salvation of Souls which is the main purpose for Jesus's Catholic Church on earth.

The abuse Crisis has fed this problem like gas on fire. …More
@Uncle Joe The issues are centered around Liberation Theology which is the communist movement in the Church. Started I believe by Oscar Romero who was a buddy of Our Holy Father. THIS IS THE MAIN PROBLEM because it puts politics and SOCIAL JUSTICE above the Salvation of Souls which is the main purpose for Jesus's Catholic Church on earth.

The abuse Crisis has fed this problem like gas on fire. Just like in the former USA. Nothing new here on that!

Bachlet is a out and out immoral commie who has children by several men in un married relations and who was a terrorist in the 1980s. Known for blowing things up type Terrorist. Just like Arafat or Fidel. Think in terms of Hillary Clinton (same nylon pant suit) speaking Spanish. On a side note they are great buddies and Abortion fans...... which is also appalling since Bachelt is a pediatrician.

As to the questions:

Is there a free and open media in Chile that presents more than simply the “party line” of political issues in the country?

Communist wing here in Chile is the Press. Just like the USA. Plan and Simple.

Are conservative views suppressed by the media (TV and print) to the point of being practically non existent? (I am referring to what is referred to as “hate speech” e.g.,

Yes just like the USA!

Are citizens including college students free to express their opinions openly without fear of out of control violent protests or punishments from their schools or sanctions by the government?

Yes but NOT conservative views. That just would not be social justice now would it?

Are citizens legally permitted to own firearms?

Yes but few do.

For the most part all things political are centered around the idiots in Santiago which is a Smog filled pit in the dry north of Chile. Santiago claims that it "IS CHILE". What most Chileans know is that Santiago is a big unorganized Nasty dirty city like most all other cities on the planet and almost NO one who lives there is happy living there. Chileans complain rightfully that they do not like Santiago. I just happen to agree with them!

So what about the other 1/3 of the population in Chile? Good wholesome farmers just working their butts off to feed the people in the city who produce NOTHING!

Much of the politics centers around Universities since students (18 to 26 years old) are the most intelligent people on earth and their more conservative parents are idiots. So it is absolutely up to the educators to indoctrinate their future comrades in the class room about how everything should be FREE. Besides where else are they going to find new communists?

I will say that if you live in the country side you are much safer, freer and lead a more healthy life style. It just makes sense.

Just my take. Not much different than the former USA just in Spanish. Jim
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Dear Jim,
A poll by Santiago-based think tank Latinobarometro this month showed that the number of Chileans calling themselves Catholics fell to 45 percent last year, from 74 percent in 1995. www.reuters.com/…/pope-francis-ar…

Is this the result of Communist influence or something more? Communism is surely the enemy of Catholicism or any other religion. But, is it the main cause of the …More
Dear Jim,
A poll by Santiago-based think tank Latinobarometro this month showed that the number of Chileans calling themselves Catholics fell to 45 percent last year, from 74 percent in 1995. www.reuters.com/…/pope-francis-ar…

Is this the result of Communist influence or something more? Communism is surely the enemy of Catholicism or any other religion. But, is it the main cause of the decline of Roman Catholicism in Chile? Has the abuse scandal and coverups had an impact as it has around the world?

Abortion in all forms is still illegal and heavily criticized in Chile. I've read that churches look out over almost every plaza and the majority of Chileans celebrate Easter and Christmas.

However, underneath these devout Catholic characteristics lies a culture that has deviated from this once strong Spanish religious influence. While Chile may be culturally and politically Catholic, the majority of its citizens are not practicing nor do they believe in Catholic doctrines or thought. The starkest example may be the Chilean president herself, Michelle Bachelet. Her judgment should be questioned at least partially. She is a socialist
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It is great to have someone 'on the ground' in Chile to give an up close view of what's going on there.

I have a few questions for you, Jim.
Is there a free and open media in Chile that presents more than simply the “party line” of political issues in the country?

Are conservative views suppressed by the media (TV and print) to the point of being practically non existent? (I am referring to what is referred to as “hate speech” e.g., conservative views regarding homo-marriage, questioning Islam being a religion of peace, mass immigrant migration)

Are citizens including college students free to express their opinions openly without fear of out of control violent protests or punishments from their schools or sanctions by the government?

Are citizens legally permitted to own firearms?
Jim Dorchak
@Uncle Joe Ok I agree with everything you have said here, but this is not about the POPE here in Chile as much as it is about the CATHOLIC CHURCH here in Chile.
1. Bp Barros was made Bishop of the Chilean Military by JPII in 1995
2. All members of Chilean Military must attend Catechism classes and Mass!
3. Communists do not like that their Children are being taught Christs Message in the Chilean…More
@Uncle Joe Ok I agree with everything you have said here, but this is not about the POPE here in Chile as much as it is about the CATHOLIC CHURCH here in Chile.
1. Bp Barros was made Bishop of the Chilean Military by JPII in 1995
2. All members of Chilean Military must attend Catechism classes and Mass!
3. Communists do not like that their Children are being taught Christs Message in the Chilean Military.... back to Bp Barros as Bp of the military!
4. The appointment of Bp Barros to Osorno was NO BIG UPGRADE! He was already a bishop since 1995.
5. Bp Barros is on the RIGHT side of the Tradition Spectrum in the Church and not a Liberation Theologist (read here catholic COMMUNIST). Trust me he does NOT know anything about the Latin Mass or true TRADITION. (as a Latin Mass Catholic in his Diocese the closest Latin Mass is 12 hours away).
6. Bp. Barros May well be guilty, but the demonstrations have NOTHING to do with him and everything to do with the communist party in Chile trying to kill the Church here!
7. The people here which the communist press calls LAY CATHOLICS are NOT! They are very prominent members of the communist movement here in Chile. Think of Bernie Sanders again claiming to be in your wildest dreams St. John Of the Cross and standing up and shouting Listen to ME!!!!! No do not listen because it is a lie.
8. Yes Our Most Holy Mericful Reverent and Only Francis Our Pope handled this poorly. Even though he knows all that I have mentioned and is a Liberation Theologist himself. (I think he sees their complaints, which may be valid, as a usurpation of his power from his Chilean commie buddies). I guess they did not get the memo that the Pope is now Senior communist on the planet?
9. The poor people who were abused were and will continue to be pawns.
10. This is not about the Pope it is about the CHURCH in Chile. Popes die and new ones are appointed all the time. We pray................
So we are in Agreement, but do not get distracted by the press and the commies waving a big red blanket to get your attention and the attention of the Chilean Government and People to limit the presence of the Catholic Church in Chile Looooooooooonnnnnnnnngggggg after Our Current Most Merciful and Holy Father and Our Holy Pope is DEAD!

And that is the bigger picture from Chile. Jim
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Dear Jim,
As a non Chilean I can only look from afar and attempt to draw a few conclusions about what occurred in your country several days ago. As you've written, who knows what Juan Barros did or did not do years ago? However, given the abuse scandals that have rocked the Church worldwide, one could justifiably ask whether it was prudent to appoint such a man bishop who was surrounded by …More
Dear Jim,
As a non Chilean I can only look from afar and attempt to draw a few conclusions about what occurred in your country several days ago. As you've written, who knows what Juan Barros did or did not do years ago? However, given the abuse scandals that have rocked the Church worldwide, one could justifiably ask whether it was prudent to appoint such a man bishop who was surrounded by controversy when there were other choices that could have been made by Francis.

But the hits keep on coming from this pope. Giving an honor to an abortion rights activist, an obvious PR move of marring a couple on a plane, praise for communism ("it is communists who think like Christians") and now this. I don’t remember any pontiff speaking or acting like this man, Francis. His whole pontificate has been a confusing hash of leftist politics and little spiritual guidance beyond contradictory statements.

Add to it is Francis' belligerence and 'in your face' tone when his pastoral mask slipped a little and - regarding the accusations against Barros - he said to the people of Chile (not only the protesters) “It’s all calumny. Is that clear?”

If we can't know the truth of what actually happened years ago re: Barros, how can Francis?

The festive atmosphere of the pope's arrival failed to conceal the hurt experienced by many Catholics over the Barros affair, a scandal that has gripped Chile and fueled growing secularization, which is hurting the Church in Chile. A poll by Santiago-based think tank Latinobarometro this month showed that the www.reuters.com/…/pope-francis-ar… from 74 percent in 1995.
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In 1984 a group of parishioners reported to archbishop, Juan Francisco Fresno, later cardinal, about Father Karadima's "improper conduct." The letter was "torn up and thrown away," according to a court statement by the parishioner. In those days, Karadima had managed to install one of his own as the Cardinal's secretary. This priest was Juan Barros Madrid. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karadima_case
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Here's some additional relevant information:

Jan 11, 2018 03:49 PM CST
SANTIAGO, Chile (AP) The Vatican was so concerned about the fallout from Chile's most notorious pedophile priest that it planned to ask three Chilean bishops accused of knowing about his decades-long crimes to resign and take a year's sabbatical a revelation that comes just days before Pope Francis makes his first visit to Chile as pope.

A confidential 2015 letter from Francis, obtained by The Associated Press, details the behind-the-scenes maneuvering by the Vatican and Chile's bishops to deal with the prelates connected to the disgraced Rev. Fernando Karadima. And it reveals the bishops' concern about Francis naming a Karadima protege, Bishop Juan Barros, to the helm of the diocese of Osorno an appointment that roiled the diocese, with hundreds of priests and lay Catholics staging protests against him.
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Jim Dorchak
@Uncle Joe I live here in Chile. Bp. Barros is My Bishop and I have met him. I do not know what he did or did not do since likely only he knows that, but the real issue here is the Communists here in Chile do not like the Catholic Church at all (even though Our Holy Father is one too) and they want to cause problems for the Church when and where ever they can.
The people who are demonstrating …More
@Uncle Joe I live here in Chile. Bp. Barros is My Bishop and I have met him. I do not know what he did or did not do since likely only he knows that, but the real issue here is the Communists here in Chile do not like the Catholic Church at all (even though Our Holy Father is one too) and they want to cause problems for the Church when and where ever they can.
The people who are demonstrating at the cathedral are NOT CATHOLIC much less Catholic Lay people they are COMMUNISTS.
Imagine Bernie Sanders protesting at a Catholic Church in the USA and claiming to be a good Catholic............... errrr ok lets not do that, but you get the idea. It is a communist issue.
Now as to how the Pope handled the issue. Well we all know that mercy is not really his big trait.
Just my take here in Chile where I am seeing what is really going on. Jim
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Uncle Joe
Pope Francis: Until he saw proof that Barros was complicit, the pope said on Thursday, accusations against him were “all calumny,” or false slander against his reputation.

Slander/calumny/defamation is not slander if the allegations made are true. Although the testimony of an eyewitness is not always 100 accurate, it nevertheless can afford proof admissible in court especially when that …More
Pope Francis: Until he saw proof that Barros was complicit, the pope said on Thursday, accusations against him were “all calumny,” or false slander against his reputation.

Slander/calumny/defamation is not slander if the allegations made are true. Although the testimony of an eyewitness is not always 100 accurate, it nevertheless can afford proof admissible in court especially when that testimony is corroborated by other victims/witnesses.
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"As if I could have taken a selfie or a photo while Karadima abused me and others, and Juan Barros stood by watching it all," tweeted a Barros accuser named Juan Carlos Cruz. "These people are truly crazy, and the pontiff talks about atonement to the victims. Nothing has changed, and his plea for forgiveness is empty."