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When Chris Ferrara wrote The Great Facade he did not know Vatican Council II could be intepreted …

JUNE 5, 2017 When Chris Ferrara wrote The Great Facade he did not know Vatican Council II could be intepreted without the irrational premise and the conclusion would be different HE DID NOT KNOW
Lionel L. Andrades
allan500
I am saying that VC II can interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism, without an irrational premise or with an irrational premise and Chris uses the irrational interpretation and he did not know about this all his life.I have been the saying the same thing over the last few years and have defended what I have written on my blog and other media.
Chris has no defense. He has not responded. …
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allan500
I am saying that VC II can interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism, without an irrational premise or with an irrational premise and Chris uses the irrational interpretation and he did not know about this all his life.I have been the saying the same thing over the last few years and have defended what I have written on my blog and other media.
Chris has no defense. He has not responded. He has not shown me where I am wrong, if I am wrong, in theology or doctrine.
Lionel L. Andrades
jd1961
No.Vatican Council II can only be interpreted in one rational and traditional way. Just one.
I call this way Feeneyite. You can call it by any other name.
It is different from Vatican Council II Cushingite. Again you can call VC II Cushingite by any other name. But it is a specific interpretation and it is irrational and non traditional.This is the VC 2 which 'can be interpreted in a …More
jd1961
No.Vatican Council II can only be interpreted in one rational and traditional way. Just one.
I call this way Feeneyite. You can call it by any other name.
It is different from Vatican Council II Cushingite. Again you can call VC II Cushingite by any other name. But it is a specific interpretation and it is irrational and non traditional.This is the VC 2 which 'can be interpreted in a thousand different ways'.
Chris Ferrara innocently interprets V2 with Cushngism and then rejects the non traditional conclusion.His arguments are rational but he does not know that his premise is false.
Try it out for yourself. Be clear in your mind that invisible people are not visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Hypothetical cases cannot be known exceptions to all needing the baptism of water in the Catholic Church in 2017 for salvation.
Now ask your self where does V2 contradict EENS( Feeneyite)? Where does V2 contradict EENS as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century?
Is it LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc?
Why?
Are these references to visible cases in the past or in 2017?
And if they aren't then where are the exceptions to EENS and the Syllabus of Errors in V2?
Did we have it wrong all this time? Every one of us?
jd1961
Lionel, V2 can be interpreted a thousand different ways. That's what it's purpose was. None of it is binding.
allan500
You don't have a point that you defended. You merely wrote a free flow of unconnected thoughts.
Lionel L. Andrades
mmeharriet
Mnsgr.Clifford Fenton like Ferrra and many others criticized Vatican Council II. They were not aware that the Council could be interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism, it depended on the use of the irrational premise.
Now we know what causes the hermeutic of rupture or continuity in Vatican Council II. We know the precise cause. This was not known when Chris Ferrara wrote his book …More
mmeharriet
Mnsgr.Clifford Fenton like Ferrra and many others criticized Vatican Council II. They were not aware that the Council could be interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism, it depended on the use of the irrational premise.
Now we know what causes the hermeutic of rupture or continuity in Vatican Council II. We know the precise cause. This was not known when Chris Ferrara wrote his book The Great Facade.
mmeharriet
I don't know what this comment is supposed to mean. Even the foremost American theologian, Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton, who was at Vatican II, experienced first hand how the modernist liberals were changing the Church in unprecedented ways. He said that it would be the end of the Church as we knew it. His memoirs are worth reading. He was appalled at the constant ambiguity the the documents …More
I don't know what this comment is supposed to mean. Even the foremost American theologian, Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton, who was at Vatican II, experienced first hand how the modernist liberals were changing the Church in unprecedented ways. He said that it would be the end of the Church as we knew it. His memoirs are worth reading. He was appalled at the constant ambiguity the the documents which would allow for liberal interpretations. This caused the fissure to open and allow the smoke of Satan to enter.