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The English-speaking editorial staff of Gloria.TV distances itself from the German Bishops

The English-speaking editorial staff of Gloria.TV asserts: Gloria.TV runs a German-speaking section. Nevertheless, we want to assure our worried, international public that we are in no way …
m sr a
German Bishops “Approve” a Morning-After Pill that Does Not Exist

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m sr a
Secretary of the Spanish Episcopal Conference, Bishop Juan Antonio Martínez Camino

"If there is a pill that prevents that there be a conception in cases of rape, then it is licit to prevent it." [However,] "We have no knowledge of a morning-after pill without abortifacient effects. If it does exist, it may be used, with the doctrine we have." "If it does exist, we will be sure to know it .... …More
Secretary of the Spanish Episcopal Conference, Bishop Juan Antonio Martínez Camino

"If there is a pill that prevents that there be a conception in cases of rape, then it is licit to prevent it." [However,] "We have no knowledge of a morning-after pill without abortifacient effects. If it does exist, it may be used, with the doctrine we have." "If it does exist, we will be sure to know it .... all morning-after pills have this possible abortive effect. Therefore, its use is illicit. If it does exist in Germany, we are not aware of it. It is not known to us that this technical possibility exists." (Several sources, including El Mundo)

rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/…/the-spaniards-g…
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m sr a
Erzbischof Eguren: Der Heilige Stuhl hat bei ‚Pille danach‘ nichts geändert

Der Vorsitzende der Kommission für Familie, Kinder und Verteidigung des Lebens in der Peruanischen Bischofskonferenz, Erzbischof José Antonio Eguren, hat darauf hingewiesen, daß der Heilige Stuhl seine Haltung zur ‚Pille danach‘, wegen deren potentiell abortiver Wirkweise, nicht geändert, und damit Klarheit geschaffen …More
Erzbischof Eguren: Der Heilige Stuhl hat bei ‚Pille danach‘ nichts geändert

Der Vorsitzende der Kommission für Familie, Kinder und Verteidigung des Lebens in der Peruanischen Bischofskonferenz, Erzbischof José Antonio Eguren, hat darauf hingewiesen, daß der Heilige Stuhl seine Haltung zur ‚Pille danach‘, wegen deren potentiell abortiver Wirkweise, nicht geändert, und damit Klarheit geschaffen habe in Bezug auf die „einsame und überraschende“ Erklärung der deutschen Bischöfe, die deren Gebrauch in katholischen Krankenhäusern in Deutschland für Frauen erlaubt hat, die Opfer einer Vergewaltigung geworden sind.
www.katholisches.info/…/erzbischof-egur…
m sr a
Without encroaching on the respective arguments of both, I think that the utterance of personal respect towards contributors of this forum may improve
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UTOPIA
News about... pearls and swines...

www.welt.de/…/Kardinal-Meisne…

JMJ - fine but just amagin badman would come to adoration!!!

see here:

www.google.de/imgres



dont start it...
Coelestin V
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bosco7591
Soy médico. No hay seguridad de que cualquier fármaco tenga la dosis exacta que solo produzca anticoncepción y no aborto; o que en sí mismo no sea capaz de producir aborto. Por lo tanto, solo por la existencia de la posibilidad de que un solo ser humano muera por ese motivo, ya es pecado.
Holy Cannoli
Your Cardinal lied in his attempt to justify his acceptance of the abortive morning-after pill. He (and the rest of his gang of dissemblers) are not to be trusted.

Archbishop Gänswein reportedly says Cardinal Meisner's statement "not true"

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I forgive you for the injustice you did to me.

There has been no injustice. You are in denial and are simply …More
Your Cardinal lied in his attempt to justify his acceptance of the abortive morning-after pill. He (and the rest of his gang of dissemblers) are not to be trusted.

Archbishop Gänswein reportedly says Cardinal Meisner's statement "not true"

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I forgive you for the injustice you did to me.

There has been no injustice. You are in denial and are simply unwilling to accept the truth.
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For neurotics, behavior such as denial is an unconscious defense mechanism that protects against the experience of unbearable pain. With disordered characters, what we commonly perceive as unconscious defenses (e.g., denial) are more often deliberate tactics of impression-management, manipulation, and responsibility-avoidance. counsellingresource.com/…/denial-as-defen…

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P.S. Stop trying to get my attention. You are not the type of woman I could ever be interested in. Try here.

Maria-Klara
Where is the "proof" that Kardinal Meisner allowed abortive pills? Show it to me and I will correct my opinion about him. If you can't proof it to me, I will keep defending the Bishop. I read all his original statements and publications and I don't need "English-speaking gloria.tv" or any other dubious media to tell me what to think.

I forgive you for the injustice you did to me.

May God save …More
Where is the "proof" that Kardinal Meisner allowed abortive pills? Show it to me and I will correct my opinion about him. If you can't proof it to me, I will keep defending the Bishop. I read all his original statements and publications and I don't need "English-speaking gloria.tv" or any other dubious media to tell me what to think.

I forgive you for the injustice you did to me.

May God save your soul!
Holy Cannoli
We are here to discuss this matter and despite the fact that you should know better now,

I do know better and you do not and here's why.

It is a relatively uncommon mental disorder and defense mechanism where an individual (often with limited intellectual capacity) attempts to cope with an unpleasant situation by simply denying its truth in spite of evidence to the contrary. The person in …More
We are here to discuss this matter and despite the fact that you should know better now,

I do know better and you do not and here's why.

It is a relatively uncommon mental disorder and defense mechanism where an individual (often with limited intellectual capacity) attempts to cope with an unpleasant situation by simply denying its truth in spite of evidence to the contrary. The person in denial will lash out at anyone who points out their error even when there is clear indisputable proof that they are mistaken.

Take your defense of the indefensible to someone who will believe it. You are in denial and have lost touch with the reality of this case. As such, it would be pointless to make any additional posts to you.

Cardinal Archbishop Joachim Meisner pussyfooted into abortion cases, by leaning on alleged research coming from all places the abortion lobby.

www.rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/…/vatican-ii-at-5…

Foul play by the German bishops- "Morning after" pill: a fait accompli during the Sede Vacante
Maria-Klara
It really amazes me how little you are interested in the truth.

@Holy Cannoli
We are here to discuss this matter and despite the fact that you should know better now, after reading what Kardinal Meiser REALLY said about the morning-after pill (which is totally in line with the church's teaching on the dignity of man from the moment of conception), you are still holding on to your point of view …More
It really amazes me how little you are interested in the truth.

@Holy Cannoli
We are here to discuss this matter and despite the fact that you should know better now, after reading what Kardinal Meiser REALLY said about the morning-after pill (which is totally in line with the church's teaching on the dignity of man from the moment of conception), you are still holding on to your point of view that he is "betraying the Catholic faith they ostensibly represent in addition to betraying the Lord and Giver of Life".

It makes me so angry and sad that Meisner is accused of such a grave sin which he did not commit. He is not a liberal, nor did he yield to spirit of the age (which you can't know because all you know about him is what the media told you). Look at the picture above. Could gloria.tv be more biasing? Lightning strikes on the photographs of 6 Bishops, as if they were the devil in person. Doesn't this way of exposition make you doubt if the auther only wants to inform about the way things are? Why is there no word on what Kardinal Meisner really said about the pill ("If a preparation, whose mechanism of action it is to inhibit nidation, is employed with the intention of averting the nidation of an already fertilized ovum, it is still NOT JUSTIFIABLE, because thereby the fertilized ovum, to whom the protection of the dignity of man corresponds, is deprived actively of its source of life.") or even on what the german conference of bishops said? Are you so ignorant that you rather keep harassing a bishop instead of correcting your image of him being the foe in person? He has served Christ for so many years and been faithful to his bride the church. It is simply wrongful to ascribe the opposite to him.
m sr a
I dissociate from the declaration of the bishops as much as Pope John Paul II dissociated from the Königsteiner Erklärung.
Holy Cannoli
Do you spend time with Jesus TRULY PRESENT in the Blessed Sacrament?

The answer to the question is "yes" but it is none of your business and it is irrelevant to the matter at hand.

This is not about me.

You spew venom when someone doesn't agree with you or challenges you.

You are not a challenge. I "spew venom" (it's called tough love) when dealing with stupidity.

As expected, you totally…More
Do you spend time with Jesus TRULY PRESENT in the Blessed Sacrament?

The answer to the question is "yes" but it is none of your business and it is irrelevant to the matter at hand.

This is not about me.

You spew venom when someone doesn't agree with you or challenges you.

You are not a challenge. I "spew venom" (it's called tough love) when dealing with stupidity.

As expected, you totally ignored my last post because it did not fit your pacifist template.

Try to pay attention. I'll be brief.

Since Monday the subject throughout Gloria's various boards has been about 6 German Bishops who are betraying the Catholic faith they ostensibly represent in addition to betraying the Lord and Giver of Life.

If you want to discuss that matter (which is the subject of this thread by the way) fine. If you don't want to discuss it, then find a thread where you can pontificate to your heart's content, where you can discuss "love", where you can discuss your "personal relationship with Jesus Christ" and where you can judge others but bristle at being judged yourself.

In short, go away as you've indicated you will do. You and your type bore me and you have contributed nothing to the actual subject matter of this thread.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.

Holy Cannoli
Study the life of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

You study it. He was not a girly-man like you novus ordo hand-holding types would prefer.
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we are called to imitate Christ Jesus and not justify hostile rebuttals by quoting scriptures of bringing the sword.


How very little you know concerning the heroes of your Church.

Be forewarned, These quotes will …More
Study the life of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

You study it. He was not a girly-man like you novus ordo hand-holding types would prefer.
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we are called to imitate Christ Jesus and not justify hostile rebuttals by quoting scriptures of bringing the sword.


How very little you know concerning the heroes of your Church.

Be forewarned, These quotes will likely upset your pacifist, namby-pamby, hand-holding leanings.

This quote is from Fr. Salvany's book Liberalism is a Sin.www.liberalismisasin.com
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St. John the Baptist calls the Pharisees a "race of vipers"; Jesus Christ, Our Divine Savior, hurls at them the epithets "hypocrites, whitened sepulchres, a perverse and adulterous generation."

St. Paul criticizes the schismatic Cretians as "always liars, evil beasts, slothful bellies." The same Apostle calls Elymas the magician a "seducer, full of guile and deceit, a child of the devil, and enemy of all justice."

The Fathers of the Church exercised the same vigorous castigation of heresy and heretics.

The gentle St. Bernard did not honey his words when he attacked the enemies of the Faith. Addressing Arnold of Brescia, the great Liberal agitator of his times, he calls him in his letters, "seducer, vase of injuries, scorpion, cruel wolf."

The Angelic Doctor, Saint Thomas Aquinas, forgets the calm of his cold syllogisms when he hurls his violent attacks against William of St. Amour, and his disciples; "Enemies of God, ministers of the devil, members of antichrist, ignorami, perverts, reprobates!"

Did St. Francis de Sales, purr softly over the heretics of his age and country? With the enemies of the Faith he preserved neither moderation nor consideration.

Asked by a Catholic, who desired to know if it were permissible to speak evil of a heretic who propagated false doctrines, he replied: "Yes, you can, on the condition that you adhere to the exact truth, to what you know of his bad conduct, presenting that which is doubtful as doubtful, according to the degree of doubt which you may have in this regard."

In his _Introduction to the Devout Life_, he expresses himself again: 'If the declared enemies of God and of the Church, ought to be blamed and censured with all possible vigor, charity obliges us to cry 'wolf' when the wolf slips into the midst of the flock and in every way and place we may meet him."

We all know (in Acts 5) the story of Ananias and Saphira, but I would like to close with a relevant quote from that passage.

And there came great fear upon the whole church, and upon all that heard these things. 12. And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people. And they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.
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Now, go away and pray for those of us who want to fight.

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el lugar correcto!

But remember: this is the english-speaking side

(das ist die englische Seite... mit ihrer ganz eigenen Aufassung von Satire)
bosco7591
Es imposible tener la seguridad de que cualquier píldora del día después tenga la dosis suficiente de fármaco que solo produzca anticoncepción y no aborto. Por lo tanto, solo por la existencia de la posibilidad de que un solo ser humano muera por ese motivo, ya es pecado.
Barbarella
Tesa
Das Problem ist, dass die deutschen Bischöfe, jenseits der theoretischen Papiere, den Einsatz der real existierenden frühabtreibenden Pille danach freigegeben und dem Staat zugesichert haben.
UTOPIA
Die Aussage der Deutschen Bischofskonferenz zur „Pille danach“ im Wortlaut:

The statement of the German Bishops' Conference for "morning after pill" in the text:

Die Vollversammlung hat sich aus aktuellem Anlass mit den moraltheologischen Aspekten der Verabreichung der so genannten „Pille danach“ für Frauen, die einer Vergewaltigung zum Opfer gefallen sind, befasst. Kardinal Karl Lehmann (…More
Die Aussage der Deutschen Bischofskonferenz zur „Pille danach“ im Wortlaut:

The statement of the German Bishops' Conference for "morning after pill" in the text:

Die Vollversammlung hat sich aus aktuellem Anlass mit den moraltheologischen Aspekten der Verabreichung der so genannten „Pille danach“ für Frauen, die einer Vergewaltigung zum Opfer gefallen sind, befasst. Kardinal Karl Lehmann (Mainz) als Vorsitzender der Glaubenskommission der Deutschen Bischofskonferenz hat auf der Basis wissenschaftlicher Erkenntnisse über die Verfügbarkeit neuer Präparate mit geänderter Wirkweise die moraltheologische Bewertung der Verwendung einer so genannten „Pille danach“ dargestellt.
The General Assembly has due to recent events dealt with the moral theological aspects of the administration of the so-called "morning after" pill for women who are the victim of a rape. Cardinal Karl Lehmann (Mainz) as Chairman of the Doctrinal Commission of the German Bishops' Conference has, on the basis of scientific knowledge about the availability of new of new compounds with a different mode of action, shown the moral theological evaluation of the use of a so-called "morning after" pill.

Kardinal Joachim Meisner (Köln) erläuterte die Hintergründe seiner im Anschluss an den aktuellen Fall der Abweisung eines Vergewaltigungsopfers durch zwei Kölner Krankenhäuser in Ordensträgerschaft ergangenen Erklärung vom 31. Januar 2013, die er im Benehmen mit der Kongregation für die Glaubenslehre und der Päpstlichen Akademie für das Leben abgab.
Cardinal Joachim Meisner (Cologne), explained the background of his statement made on 31st January 2013, following the recent case of the dismissal of a rape victim by two hospitals in religious sponsorship in Cologne.

Die Vollversammlung hat bekräftigt, dass in katholischen Krankenhäusern Frauen, die Opfer einer Vergewaltigung geworden sind, selbstverständlich menschliche, medizinische, psychologische und seelsorgliche Hilfe erhalten. Dazu kann die Verabreichung einer „Pille danach“ gehören, insofern sie eine verhütende und nicht eine abortive Wirkung hat. Medizinisch-pharmazeutische Methoden, die den Tod eines Embryos bewirken, dürfen weiterhin nicht angewendet werden.
The General Assembly has affirmed that women who are victims of rape, of course, get human, medical, psychological and pastoral assistance in Catholic hospitals. This may include the administration of a "morning after pill", insofar as it has a prophylactic and not an abortive effect. Medical and pharmaceutical methods that cause the death of an embryo may still not be used.

Die deutschen Bischöfe vertrauen darauf, dass in Einrichtungen in katholischer Trägerschaft die praktische Behandlungsentscheidung auf der Grundlage dieser moraltheologischen Vorgaben erfolgt. Auf jeden Fall ist die Entscheidung der betroffenen Frau zu respektieren.
The German bishops have confidence that in institution in Catholic ownership practical treatment decision is made on the basis this moral theological requirements. The decision of the woman concerned must be respected in all cases.

Die Vollversammlung anerkennt die Notwendigkeit, neben ersten Stellungnahmen zur „Pille danach“ die weiteren Zusammenhänge der Fragestellung – auch im Kontakt mit den in Rom Zuständigen – vertieft zu ergründen und notwendige Differenzierungen vorzunehmen.
The Assembly recognizes the need, in addition to its first opinions on the "morning after pill" to explore the wider context of the question recessed in order to make necessary distinctions - also in contact with the relevant authorities in Rome.

Die Bischöfe werden entsprechende Gespräche mit den Verantwortlichen der katholischen Krankenhäuser, mit katholischen Frauenärztinnen und -ärzten sowie mit Beraterinnen und Beratern führen.
The bishops will perform appropriate discussions with the leaders of the Catholic hospitals, gynecologist as well as consultants.

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Maria-Klara
Perhaps you can post the relevant quote and include the link showing where Meisner retracts his earlier statement giving his approval of the morning-after pill to be used in Catholic hospitals?

Meisner never made a statement giving his approval of the morning-after pill to be used in hospitals. The only statement he made, and did not retract was the one I translated for you below. It was the …More
Perhaps you can post the relevant quote and include the link showing where Meisner retracts his earlier statement giving his approval of the morning-after pill to be used in Catholic hospitals?

Meisner never made a statement giving his approval of the morning-after pill to be used in hospitals. The only statement he made, and did not retract was the one I translated for you below. It was the german media that did not read his statement thoroughly and wrote things like "Meisner permitts morning-after pill" or "Meisner changes his mind about the pill" without mentioning the conditions in which it is be justifiable. He did not change his mind! He was and is and will be pro life and against any kind of homicide. Here is the full statement if you don't believe me: opencms.erzbistum-koeln.de/modules/news/news_1318.html

As you have written:
There is not such a pill that ONLY prevents conception and does not also operate abortive.

You know that, I know that and all pro-life Catholics in the world know that. Is it your contention that the Cardinal Archbishop of Cologne, Joachim Meisner does not know that?


Appearantly Kardinal Meisner was badly advised by "experts" and he refered to a wrong study by Kristina Gemzell-Danielsson, Cecilia Berger, P.G.L. Lalitkumar. He did not know that there is no morning-after pill that does not operate abortive.
G.Taylor
When a "shepherd" tells people lies about it being ok to kill a developing human being in the womb, you are very sure the devil is at work in the Church.
God save us from these " bishops".
Amen.
PNeri
This is the whole problem in the church when it comes to the laity. They choose to either deny, change, cover-up, or ignore the truth of the evil actions of so many prelates, ..in this case, "princes" of the church. How can we expect the church to turn in the right direction for the common good of all God's people when we don't call them on the errors and even heresy that many of them promote. …More
This is the whole problem in the church when it comes to the laity. They choose to either deny, change, cover-up, or ignore the truth of the evil actions of so many prelates, ..in this case, "princes" of the church. How can we expect the church to turn in the right direction for the common good of all God's people when we don't call them on the errors and even heresy that many of them promote. We are just as guilty by our sin of omission to not defend the truth and admonish the sinner, even if he is a 'prince' of the church. You want to see change in our church....people must change! Pray!
Holy Cannoli
This Meisner did not know when he made his statement: There is not such a pill that ONLY prevents conception and does not also operate abortive. However, that means his statement is obsolete. HE NEVER PERMITTED CATHOLIC HOSPITALS TO GIVE OUT ABORTIVE PILLS!!!

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Perhaps you can post the relevant quote and include the link showing where Meisner retracts his …More
This Meisner did not know when he made his statement: There is not such a pill that ONLY prevents conception and does not also operate abortive. However, that means his statement is obsolete. HE NEVER PERMITTED CATHOLIC HOSPITALS TO GIVE OUT ABORTIVE PILLS!!!

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Perhaps you can post the relevant quote and include the link showing where Meisner retracts his earlier statement giving his approval of the morning-after pill to be used in Catholic hospitals?

From today's news, nothing appears to have changed.

The church was forced to clarify its stance after the decision of German cardinal Joachim Meisner to allow the use of some morning after pills at church hospital in his Cologne archdiocese. He changed the policy after two church hospitals refused to treat a rape victim by prescribing the pill - a move that attracted national attention.

www.dw.de/…/a-16617795


Meisner changed the policy to allow "treatment" of rape victims after an incident occured last month in a Catholic hopsital. This change permitted the use of the morning-after pill for rape victims and there has been NO additional statement from any of the 6 German bishops since then.

As you have written:
There is not such a pill that ONLY prevents conception and does not also operate abortive.

You know that, I know that and all pro-life Catholics in the world know that. Is it your contention that the Cardinal Archbishop of Cologne, Joachim Meisner does not know that?

If that is your belief, then you ought to inform him of his error.

One additional point that may sound familiar to you.

"PLEASE stop twisting the truth the way you want it."
Maria-Klara
Ok, since everyone seems to have ignored my clarification below, again:

Kardinal Meisner did NOT permit abortive morning-after pills!

You are doing great injustice to him by alleging such a slander.

This is what he said concerning the morning-after pill:

"If, after a rape, a preparation, whose mechanism of action it is to prevent a conception, is employed with the intention of averting a …More
Ok, since everyone seems to have ignored my clarification below, again:

Kardinal Meisner did NOT permit abortive morning-after pills!

You are doing great injustice to him by alleging such a slander.

This is what he said concerning the morning-after pill:

"If, after a rape, a preparation, whose mechanism of action it is to prevent a conception, is employed with the intention of averting a fertilization, THEN it is, from my point of view, justifiable."
Wenn nach einer Vergewaltigung ein Präparat, dessen Wirkprinzip die Verhinderung einer Zeugung ist, mit der Absicht eingesetzt wird, die Befruchtung zu verhindern, dann ist dies aus meiner Sicht vertretbar.

If a preparation, whose mechanism of action it is to inhibit nidation, is employed with the intention of averting the nidation of an already fertilized ovum, it is still NOT JUSTIFIABLE, because thereby the fertilized ovum, to whom the protection of the dignity of man corresponds, is deprived actively of its source of life."
Wenn ein Präparat, dessen Wirkprinzip die Nidationshemmung ist, mit der Absicht eingesetzt wird, die Einnistung der bereits befruchteten Eizelle zu verhindern, ist das nach wie vor nicht vertretbar, weil damit der befruchteten Eizelle, der der Schutz der Menschenwürde zukommt, die Lebensgrundlage aktiv entzogen wird.

This Meisner did not know when he made his statement: There is not such a pill that ONLY prevents conception and does not also operate abortive. However, that means his statement is obsolete. HE NEVER PERMITTED CATHOLIC HOSPITALS TO GIVE OUT ABORTIVE PILLS!!!

And now PLEASE stop twisting the truth the way you want it and stop harassing Kardinal Meisner, who is a very good shepherd to our diocese in Cologne!
Holy Cannoli
Shooting the Messenger

A typical ploy of an inferior, ill informed intellect that is unable to make substantive points.



Refute the points made if you are able (highly unlikely).

Show how these bishops are honorable men and what they propose is best for unborn German babies and for Catholicism.

If you are unable to do that, move on.
Holy Cannoli
So the German bishops are very upset because it associates them with something they also abhor..

If that were true, these German bishops wouldn't be advocating the death of innocent life in the womb.

How different are these 6 bishops and their targeting of the unborn in the womb and Goebbels, Eichmann, Mengele, Himmler et al who targeted Jews and other undesirables for destruction? Murder is …More
So the German bishops are very upset because it associates them with something they also abhor..

If that were true, these German bishops wouldn't be advocating the death of innocent life in the womb.

How different are these 6 bishops and their targeting of the unborn in the womb and Goebbels, Eichmann, Mengele, Himmler et al who targeted Jews and other undesirables for destruction? Murder is murder and human life is human life regardless who is the victim.

In the case of Catholic bishops, their crime is even more detestable since by their murderous program, they mock the very organization they allegedly claim to represent, the Catholic Church. In addition, by their acts, these bishops betray the Lord and Giver of Life and are an embarrassment to faithful Catholics worldwide.

All of these men are merchants of death.

Indeed, that life in the womb is the most innocent of God's creatures and yet the German bishops, by advocating use of an abortifacient in Catholic hospitals, are working to destroy it.

Would that there were a more offensive symbol than that of the Third Reich to label these men. These “Catholic” German bishops, with their attack on the unborn, have not merely earned the mark of Nazism but much much worse.
LvB
In Germany it is illegal to show the Nazi symbol in any way, shape or fashion. So the German bishops are very upset because it associates them with something they also abhor and could get them into trouble with the German laws. People outside of Germany do not understand this since there is freedom to use it outside of Germany. It was not diplomatic. It is understandable that Gloria.TV.en would …More
In Germany it is illegal to show the Nazi symbol in any way, shape or fashion. So the German bishops are very upset because it associates them with something they also abhor and could get them into trouble with the German laws. People outside of Germany do not understand this since there is freedom to use it outside of Germany. It was not diplomatic. It is understandable that Gloria.TV.en would frustrated that the bishops do not follow the Truth.
Also, Germans may not understand, but for many uniformed people outside of Germany, German is synonymous with 'Nazi'.
On an empty box of the morning-after-pill (levonorgestrel) discarded on the ground outside our local Planned Parenthood abortion mill which I picked up, it states in plain letters on the box under "other information":
"this product works mainly by preventing ovulation (egg release). It may also prevent fertilization of a released egg (joining of sperm and egg) or attachment of a fertilized egg to the uterus (implantation).
So Planned Parenthood understands this better than the German bishops who should be ashamed of themselves and should hang their heads in shame when a child comes into their presence. They show no real compassion for the mother or child who might be conceived after assault!
Your Excellencies are so opposed to capital punishment for convicted criminals, so how can you facilitate the killing of innocent, helpless children without a judge, jury or stay of execution? How is it just to administer the morning after pill when there is a possibility that ovulation has occurred or will occur within a couple of days after the assault?
Reprobate is what these bishops are! Jesus said If you love Me keep my Commandments. So Your Excellencies, how is allowing the MAP keeping the 5th Commandment?
The bishops are to be condemned for allowing the killing at their own facilities. Also,for allowing the dissemination of Planned Parenthood and the Bundesministerium für Gesudheitswesen publications at their own Schwangerschaftsberatungsstellen which advocate for abortion,contraception and impurity and which do not give accurate scientific information about abortion, contraception or natural family planning. I saw them myself in then Bishop Walter Kaspar's diocese in Baden-Wuerrttemberg before he left for Rome. By their fruits you shall know them. Such bishops or Cardinals do not live by the Gospel and we will give little credence to what they tell us to do since they themselves seem not to believe that "He will come to judge the living and the dead."
RoccoAnthony
@vidanet...this is the ENGLISH page of Gloriatv..I don't understand your language.
vidanet
Dahvid
@Holy Cannoli...great post!!
UTOPIA
Extract with free translationAuszug mit freier Übersetzung:

Emergency Contraception:

A Last Chance to Prevent Unintended Pregnancy


James Trussell, PhD1

Elizabeth G. Raymond, MD, MPH2

February 2013

ec.princeton.edu/questions/ec-review.pdf

Some studies have shown histologic or biochemical alterations in the endometrium after treatment with the regimen, leading to the conclusion that …More
Extract with free translationAuszug mit freier Übersetzung:

Emergency Contraception:

A Last Chance to Prevent Unintended Pregnancy


James Trussell, PhD1

Elizabeth G. Raymond, MD, MPH2

February 2013

ec.princeton.edu/questions/ec-review.pdf

Some studies have shown histologic or biochemical alterations in the endometrium after treatment with the regimen, leading to the conclusion that combined ECPs may act by impairing endometrial receptivity to subsequent implantation of a fertilized egg.

Einige Studien haben histologische oder biochemische Veränderungen in der Gebärmutterschleimhaut nach der Behandlung mit dem Regime gezeigt, was zu dem Schluss führt, dass kombinierte ECPs kann die endometriale Empfänglichkeit zur nachfolgenden Implantation einer befruchteten Eizelle beeinträchtigen.

Additional possible mechanisms include interference with corpus luteum function; thickening of the cervical mucus resulting in trapping of sperm; alterations in the tubal transport of sperm, egg, or embryo; and direct inhibition of fertilization. No clinical data exist regarding the last three of these possibilities. Nevertheless, statistical evidence on the effectiveness of combined ECPs suggests that that if the regimen is as effective as claimed, it must have a mechanism of action other than delaying or preventing ovulation.

Zu den weiteren möglichen Mechanismen gehören eine Interferenz der Gelbkörperfunktion; Verdickung der Zervixschleim wodurch das Einfangen von Spermien; Veränderungen im Eileitertransport von Sperma, Ei oder Embryo und die direkte Hemmung der fertilization. In Bezug auf die letzten drei dieser Möglichkeiten gibt es keine klinischen Daten, aber die statistischen Erkenntnisse über die Wirksamkeit von kombinierten ECPs, zeigen auf, dass es einen anderen Wirkmechanismus gibt, als die Verzögerung oder Verhinderung der ovulation.

In a study conducted more than 30 years ago, levonorgestrel was found to interfere with sperm migration and function at all levels of the genital tract

In einer Studie vor mehr als 30 Jahren wurde nachgewiesen, dass Levonorgestrel auf Sperma Migration und andere Abläufe auf allen Ebenen des Genitaltraktes störend einwirkt

Another study found that ulipristal acetate altered the endometrium, but whether this change would inhibit implantation is unknown.

Eine andere Studie ergab, dass Ulipristalacetat das Endometrium verändert, aber ob diese Veränderung eine Implantation verhindert, ist unbekannt.

To make an informed choice, women must know that ECPs—like all regular hormonal contraceptives such as the birth control pill, the implant Implanon, the vaginal ring NuvaRing, the Evra patch, and the injectable Depo-Provera, and even breastfeeding—prevent pregnancy primarily by delaying or inhibiting ovulation and inhibiting fertilization, but may at times inhibit implantation of a fertilized egg in the endometrium.

Um eine fundierte Wahl treffen zu können, müssen Frauen wissen, dass durch ECPs - wie bei allen regulären hormonellen Kontrazeptiva wie der Verhütungs-Pille, das Implantat Implanon, der Vaginalring NuvaRing, der Evra Patch und der injizierbaren Depo-Provera und ebenso durch Stillen – vor allem wegen Verzögern oder Hemmung des Eisprungs, Hemmung der Befruchtung aber auch durch verhindern der Einnistung einer befruchteten Eizelle in der Gebärmutterschleimhaut eine Schwangerschaft ausbleibt.

“Repeated use of ella within the same menstrual cycle is not recommended, as safety and efficacy of repeat use within the same cycle has not been evaluated.”

"Die wiederholte Verwendung von ella im selben Menstruationszyklus wird nicht empfohlen, weil Sicherheit und Wirksamkeit einer erneuten Verwendung im gleichen Zyklus nicht untersucht wurden." (bei Langzeitanwendung nach ca. 1 Jahr unwirksam)

Available evidence suggests that ECPs do not increase the chance that a pregnancy following ECP use will be ectopic; moreover, like all contraceptive methods, ECPs reduce the absolute risk of ectopic pregnancy by preventing pregnancy in general.

Verfügbare Daten deuten darauf hin, dass nach ECP Einsatz ektopische Schwangerschaften ausgeschlossen sind, wobei ja, wie bei allen Verhütungsmethoden, das absolute Risiko einer Eileiterschwangerschaft durch die Verhinderung der Schwangerschaft selbst entfällt.

To help educate women and men about emergency contraception, the Association of Reproductive Health Professionals in Washington, D.C. and the Office of Population Research at Princeton University sponsor the Emergency Contraception Website (www.not-2-late.com). The Website has largely replaced the original Emergency Contraception Hotline,…

Um Frauen und Männern über Notfall-Kontrazeption zu schulen, sponsern der Verband der „Reproductive Health Professionals in Washington, DC“ und dem „Office of Population Research an der Universität Princeton“ die Emergency Contraception Website (www.not-2-late.com). Die Website hat inzwischen weitgehend die ursprünglich staatliche Emergency Contraception Hotline ersetzt,…

…only one of 15 published studies has demonstrated that increasing access to ECPs can reduce pregnancy or abortion rates in a population,although one demonstration project and four clinical trials were specifically designed to address this issue.

…nur in einer von 15 veröffentlichten Studien wird behauptet, dass durch Zugang zu ECPs Schwangerschaften oder Abtreibungen reduziert werden würden, trotz eines Vorzeigeprojektes sowie vier wissenschaftlichen klinischen Studien, die ausschließlich für diese Problematik entwickelt wurden.

Note this:+++In January 2005, the Center for Reproductive Rights filed suit in federal court against the FDA, alleging that the agency’s failure to approve Plan B for over-the-counter use impermissibly denied women access to EC. In March 2009, The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York in a blistering decision ordered the agency to reconsider its decision. It also ordered the FDA to act within 30 days to extend over-the-counter access to 17-year-olds. Judge Edward R. Korman was exceedingly blunt, stating that FDA had "acted in bad faith and in response to political pressure" and "repeatedly and unreasonably delayed issuing a decision on Plan B" and that the FDA's denial of nonprescription access to 17-year-olds "lacks all credibility" and was based on "fanciful and wholly unsubstantiated 'enforcement' concerns."153 On April 22, 2009 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration announced that it would clear the way for Plan B's manufacturer to make it available without a prescription to 17-year-olds. And on July 13, 2009, the FDA approved Plan B One Step as a nonprescription drug for women and men aged 17 and over. On February 7, 2011, Teva submitted actual-use study data and label-comprehension study data on females <18 to the FDA. On December 7, 2011, the FDA was set to approve OTC status for Plan B with no age restriction based on the studies submitted by Teva. However, this action was overruled by the Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sibelius. +++-no translation+++

Two predictable, but unintended, negative outcomes have resulted from over-the-counter access to emergency contraception in the United States. One such consequence is the potential loss of opportunities for physicians to counsel patients about use of more effective, longer-term contraceptive methods when they present for emergency contraception.Because emergency contraception is less effective than ongoing methods of hormonal contraception and IUDs, the challenge remains for providers to find ways to encourage users of ECPs to initiate or continue a more effective ongoing method. Another consequence is an increase in price, from about $25 per treatment to about $45, and loss of insurance coverage in many, if not most, cases. This increase in cost could mean that even fewer women take emergency contraception when they are at highest risk of unintended pregnancy.

Aus dem freien Zugang zur Notfall-Kontrazeption ergeben sich zwei negative Konsequenzen…

Eine solche Konsequenz ist der potenzielle Verlust Beratungsmöglichkeiten von Ärzte über den langfristig wirksameren Einsatz anderer Verhütungsmethoden gegenüber langfristiger Einnahme von Notfall contraception (die wird nach 24 Monaten fast unwirksam – sie weiter obenin der Studie)
Zweite Konsequenz: der Preis ist von 25 Dollar auf 45 Dollar gestiegen und so möglicherweise weniger Frauen die Pille nehmen…


...just for those who like to be a little bit informet about the pill and its effects...
Holy Cannoli
bishops often have problems to proclaim the truth

The comment above is the understatement of this entire thread.

These duplicitous men, by now advocating the abortafaceint so called morning-after pill, are complicit in the act of baby killing.

These are not Protestants. These are not Jews. These are not Muslims. These are not atheists.

These are your dear German Bishops who represent the …More
bishops often have problems to proclaim the truth

The comment above is the understatement of this entire thread.

These duplicitous men, by now advocating the abortafaceint so called morning-after pill, are complicit in the act of baby killing.

These are not Protestants. These are not Jews. These are not Muslims. These are not atheists.

These are your dear German Bishops who represent the Catholic Church in Germany.

There is NO.....I repeat there is NO other issue.

This is a clear abomination and an insult to pro-life Catholics worldwide to say nothing of the babies that will be destroyed.

Yet, the Germans are more concerned with a symbol than with their own bishops being accessories to murder which makes these bishops accessories to the crime of murder as well.

The outrageous behavior of these German bishops deserves condemnation from every thinking person who cherishes the sanctity of life. There is no matter more critical than life and these bishops are promoting a means to destroy the most innocent of life. Unborn babies.

Yet, some in the German laity are more concerned with a symbol.

But, are these men not called 'princes of the Church'?

They are imposters. They are an embarrassment and a scourge on Catholicism in addition to being enemies of the Lord and Giver of life. I am ashamed to say they represent the Catholic Church in any way.

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No doubt their humble retraction and their reformation will be forthcoming.

Can we doubt that their apology will surely come after their German comrade Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller, Prefect of the CDF, is made aware of their treachery?

Or perhaps Prefect Müller is much too preoccupied with giving ultimatums to the SSPX than to deal with heresy from his "in union with Rome" dear fellow Germans?

And so the saga continues with the Catholic Church continuing to suffer at the hands of its own episcopacy. And the Vatican fiddles while Rome the Catholic Church burns.
deuscharitasest
It's not even close to an argument to point at mistakes of others instead of admitting that you made a mistake. I know -since I am from Germany- that bishops often have problems to proclaim the truth. But your photo that showed bishops with Hakenkreuz (crooked cross) was not at all a help.
You should do better because this was not catholic at all!
UTOPIA
There you find a way to cardinal meissner (maybe - smile)

webmail.catholic.org

(and here you can inform deeply about the pills - all of them)

ec.princeton.edu/questions/ec-review.pdf
Maria-Klara
Kardinal Meißner is neither pro abortion, nor did he permit the morning-after pill. I know his statement concerning contraceptives was very ambiguous, nevertheless I think before you make judgments about him, I would ask you to really READ his clarification about the morning after pill. He said that IF there is a morning-after pill that does NOT cause the abortion of an ovum which is already …More
Kardinal Meißner is neither pro abortion, nor did he permit the morning-after pill. I know his statement concerning contraceptives was very ambiguous, nevertheless I think before you make judgments about him, I would ask you to really READ his clarification about the morning after pill. He said that IF there is a morning-after pill that does NOT cause the abortion of an ovum which is already fertilized (= killing a human being) but ONLY prevents that a conception will take place, he does not see a reason why it should not be permitted IN THE CASE OF A RAPE. The thing is that in Germany there is not such a pill yet, which is why what he said is obsolete. Meißner was referring to a research study that said a morning-after pill that ONLY operates contraceptive and not abortive exists in fact, which turned out to be wrong. So apparently he had a very bad adviser and his clarification was very confusing, but HE NEVER PERMITTED ABORTIVE PILLS! That the german catholic hospitals and doctors are disobedient to Kardinal Meißner and prescribe these morning-after pills anyway, that's something else... (However not very surprising to me)
UTOPIA
I dissociate myself from all bishops, priests, Christians and non-Christians who are for euthanasie, abortion and the pill, and allow to give the morning after pill in their institutions – worldwide not only in germany! I dissociate myself from everyone, who does not respekt life from its very beginning to its natural death: they want to be like GOD and refuse to serve HIM according to HIS will. …More
I dissociate myself from all bishops, priests, Christians and non-Christians who are for euthanasie, abortion and the pill, and allow to give the morning after pill in their institutions – worldwide not only in germany! I dissociate myself from everyone, who does not respekt life from its very beginning to its natural death: they want to be like GOD and refuse to serve HIM according to HIS will. In the past 30 years I did this openly, I must not hide behind a satanic symbol to show my anger and dismay about the terrible development, becouse the cross of my LORD is my sign.

It is very good to dissociate from these evil things and people who spread it – also from gloria TV. Only: without the shameful action it would have been much more meaningful - had shown strength without helpless whimper.

Sr. Nerd -

Just a pity that some very silly posters attack the few remaining good commentators so that they reject the pages of gloria TV with a feeling of humiliation - just stamped with a swastika on their face, becouse of good and justifiable criticism.

The stamping of a satanic symbol in the face of a human being is such a helpless whimper and shows also how hard it is to say: "I apology because I've gone too far". The devil does not care what sin distracts us from salvation. Sure, he will try to offer the sins that are particularly suited to confuse and divide.
Iacobus
They are excomunicated latae sententiae...
santiago2012
Cada aborto es una ofrenda a Satanás y sus demonios.
santiago2012
Every abortion is a present to Satan and his devils.
this craze caused devastation
dianucha2011
such messages is a bit dangerous to me I know not what I say here that the duty of us to pray for these bishops, I think this kind of ad generates hatred between church.

AVE MARIA PURISIMA!!!!
wirewrapper
THE BISHOPS OF GERMANY SHOULD END THIS MUTANY OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES !
Fidelium
@jamacor...you speak English?
G.Taylor
Paradise, thank you so much for the link to be able to e-mail the cardinal about this shocking action. I have done so.
Many thanks ,
Graeme Taylor
jamacor
¡Basta de paños calientes!

¡No se pierde lo que ya está perdido!

Hay que operar y extirpar el cáncer y las metástasis.

El Cuerpo que es la Iglesia tiene defensas para librarse de las partes de su cuerpo ya desvitalizadas, corrompidas y muertas.
jtrujanito
The question that arises in me ... Are we already facing a schism within the Church?
Holy Cannoli
Paradise

Thank you for the link to that letter.
Finally someone has contributed something of substance on this thread.

I am encouraged not only because of the existence of this letter but because the letter is made public on the internet which means that others (possibly many others) have taken notice.