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False Traditionalists:

Reaping What They Have Sown
David85
"Places of worship, like this splendid Al-Hussein Bin Talal mosque named after the revered late King, stand out like jewels across the earth’s surface. From the ancient to the modern, the magnificent to the humble, they all point to the divine, to the Transcendent One, to the Almighty." Benedict XVI ????? w2.vatican.va/…/hf_ben-xvi_spe_…
Rafał_Ovile
David85 humans, in contrary to other beings, are equipped with reason to establish truth and discern the information they receive and later transmit. Otherwise, one might simply be an ideologist, a pit into which many have fallen. Deo gratias for your prayer and I promise to return it...
David85
My job is to inform, not to convince. True Christians see the truth because they receive the love for the truth. ~ I will pray for you. Zostań z Bogiem
Rafał_Ovile
David85 you are completely human-centered, anthropocentric. This is the analogous trait of sedevacantists and modernists, who inversely of the first follow all errors. You should learn to distinguish the necessary being from the accidental beings. Then you might start the process of curing serious cognitive disorder. Satisfying your curiosity will not help.
David85
papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htm
It is Our will, therefore, and by the same authority, We decree that, after We publish this constitution and the edition of the Missal, the priests of the Roman Curia are, after thirty days, obliged to chant or read the Mass according to it; all others south of the Alps, after three months; and those beyond the Alps either within six months or whenever …More
papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htm
It is Our will, therefore, and by the same authority, We decree that, after We publish this constitution and the edition of the Missal, the priests of the Roman Curia are, after thirty days, obliged to chant or read the Mass according to it; all others south of the Alps, after three months; and those beyond the Alps either within six months or whenever the Missal is available for sale. Wherefore, in order that the Missal be preserved incorrupt throughout the whole world and kept free of flaws and errors, the penalty for nonobservance for printers, whether mediately or immediately subject to Our dominion, and that of the Holy Roman Church, will be the forfeiting of their books and a fine of one hundred gold ducats, payable ipso facto to the Apostolic Treasury. Further, as for those located in other parts of the world, the penalty is excommunication latae sententiae, and such other penalties as may in Our judgment be imposed; and We decree by this law that they must not dare or presume either to print or to publish or to sell, or in any way to accept books of this nature without Our approval and consent, or without the express consent of the Apostolic Commissaries of those places, who will be appointed by Us. Said printer must receive a standard Missal and agree faithfully with it and in no wise vary from the Roman Missal of the large type (secundum magnum impressionem).
Accordingly, since it would be difficult for this present pronouncement to be sent to all parts of the Christian world and simultaneously come to light everywhere, We direct that it be, as usual, posted and published at the doors of the Basilica of the Prince of the Apostles, also at the Apostolic Chancery, and on the street at Campo Flora; furthermore, We direct that printed copies of this same edict signed by a notary public and made official by an ecclesiastical dignitary possess the same indubitable validity everywhere and in every nation, as if Our manuscript were shown there. Therefore, no one whosoever is permitted to alter this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition. Would anyone, however, presume to commit such an act, he should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.
David85
Start reading what the previous Popes wrote in their encyclicals and compare them to Vatican II antipopes encyclicals..
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David85
you didn't answer my questions.. True Christians see the truth because they receive the love for the truth.

People who think that the Catholic faith ceases to be practiced when there’s nowhere to attend Mass or receive sacraments on Sunday either aren’t Catholic or have an inadequate understanding of the faith. The Catholic faith is lived day in and day out. In fact, the reason so many people …More
you didn't answer my questions.. True Christians see the truth because they receive the love for the truth.

People who think that the Catholic faith ceases to be practiced when there’s nowhere to attend Mass or receive sacraments on Sunday either aren’t Catholic or have an inadequate understanding of the faith. The Catholic faith is lived day in and day out. In fact, the reason so many people have followed heretical groups to their perdition is that their entire “faith” and “relationship with God” is defined by where they go on Sunday. They are purely “Sunday Catholics,” which means that they are not genuine Catholics at all.
Rafał_Ovile
David85 firstable you should learn Catholic philosophy (mataphysics) to acquire the ability to interpret theology. Second you should return to the visible Church and receive Sacraments. Finally, pray and hope to receive the gifts of Holy Spirit necessary to understand the dilemmas in your questions.
David85
I have a few questions for you Rafał.

Can a Catholic esteem false religions? Do the Vatican II antipopes whom you would call “popes esteem false religions? Can a Catholic do that and do they do that? Religions which reject Jesus Christ and a host of Catholic dogmas religions such as Islam. Can one be a catholic and esteem religions which the Church has declared to be diabolical and abominable? …More
I have a few questions for you Rafał.

Can a Catholic esteem false religions? Do the Vatican II antipopes whom you would call “popes esteem false religions? Can a Catholic do that and do they do that? Religions which reject Jesus Christ and a host of Catholic dogmas religions such as Islam. Can one be a catholic and esteem religions which the Church has declared to be diabolical and abominable? Are anti Catholic protestants heretics?

How do you regard Benedict XVI as a Catholic when he esteems false religions?
Rafał_Ovile
David85 sedevacantists are in cognitive error by not distinguishing the categories in being of heresy and their implication through ecclesiastical jurisdiction. Moreover, they do not comprehend and undermine the Dogma of papal infallibility. Here is some help. [Modernist and Sedevacantist error]. Again it is one of many modernist reactions to present crisis. Finally, learn [Catechism on sedevac…More
David85 sedevacantists are in cognitive error by not distinguishing the categories in being of heresy and their implication through ecclesiastical jurisdiction. Moreover, they do not comprehend and undermine the Dogma of papal infallibility. Here is some help. [Modernist and Sedevacantist error]. Again it is one of many modernist reactions to present crisis. Finally, learn [Catechism on sedevacantism] and Summa Theologica (for i.e. on evil ministers of Sacraments) before continuing to err and infect Catholic souls with modern evil ideology...
David85
Rafał_Ovile - John Salza: Former Freemason and Heretical Defender of the Vatican II Sect

Pope Innocent III, Eius exemplo, profession of faith, Dec. 18, 1208:

“By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess THE ONE CHURCH, NOT OF HERETICS, but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church outside of which we believe that no one is saved.”

By obstinately asserting that the Vatican II sect…More
Rafał_Ovile - John Salza: Former Freemason and Heretical Defender of the Vatican II Sect

Pope Innocent III, Eius exemplo, profession of faith, Dec. 18, 1208:

“By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess THE ONE CHURCH, NOT OF HERETICS, but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church outside of which we believe that no one is saved.”

By obstinately asserting that the Vatican II sect and its antipopes are Catholic you are ignoring the dogma that heretics are outside the Body of Christ and further professing union with a Church of heretics.
David85
Matthew 7:15-20
(Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good …More
Matthew 7:15-20
(Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.
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David85
Władza udzielona przez Chrystusa Piotrowi i jego następcom to w sensie absolutnym misja służebna. Władza nauczania w Kościele wiąże się z powinnością służby na rzecz posłuszeństwa wierze. Papież nie jest absolutnym władcą, którego myśl i wola stanowią prawo. Przeciwnie: posługa Papieża jest gwarancją posłuszeństwa Chrystusowi i Jego słowu. Papież nie ma głosić własnych idei, ale winien …More
Władza udzielona przez Chrystusa Piotrowi i jego następcom to w sensie absolutnym misja służebna. Władza nauczania w Kościele wiąże się z powinnością służby na rzecz posłuszeństwa wierze. Papież nie jest absolutnym władcą, którego myśl i wola stanowią prawo. Przeciwnie: posługa Papieża jest gwarancją posłuszeństwa Chrystusowi i Jego słowu. Papież nie ma głosić własnych idei, ale winien nieustannie zespalać samego siebie i Kościół więzią posłuszeństwa Słowu Bożemu, wobec wszelkich prób przystosowywania czy rozwodnienia i wszelkich przejawów oportunizmu.
Papież jest sługą. Nie jest jednak sługą „ludu Bożego” w demagogiczno-bergogliańskim sensie, który jest jedynie przebraniem dla nadużywania władzy przez tego, który nie jest sługą, ale raczej zachowującym się dokładnie tak, jak „absolutny władca, którego myśli i wola stanowią prawo”. Papież jest sługą Prawdy, która została mu powierzona w celu zabezpieczenia i przekazania w sposób nietknięty swoim następcom jako depozyt wiary. Urząd Piotra jest zatem w swojej istocie konserwatywny, a nie kreatywny. Tak jak to określił Sobór Watykański I w procesie określania surowych granic papieskiej nieomylności: Duch Święty został bowiem obiecany następcom św. Piotra nie dlatego, aby z pomocą Jego objawienia ogłaszali nową naukę, ale by z Jego pomocą święcie strzegli i wiernie wyjaśniali Objawienie przekazane przez apostołów, czyli depozyt wiary.
Rafał_Ovile
Beware brethren, sedevacantism presented by Br. Dimonds is the modernist erroneous position in reaction to the crisis in the Church.
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David85
False traditionalists and others sometimes refer to true Catholics who believe in the Catholic Church’s teaching on Baptism and the necessity of the Catholic faith for salvation as “Feeneyites”. The charge is utterly false and dishonest. It is a calumny, as the proof and arguments for the true position have nothing to do with Fr. Feeney. Heretics employ the accusation as a dishonest way to …More
False traditionalists and others sometimes refer to true Catholics who believe in the Catholic Church’s teaching on Baptism and the necessity of the Catholic faith for salvation as “Feeneyites”. The charge is utterly false and dishonest. It is a calumny, as the proof and arguments for the true position have nothing to do with Fr. Feeney. Heretics employ the accusation as a dishonest way to divert from the dogmatic facts that refute and convict them. However, the truth is that Fr. Feeney was on the correct side of the pre-Vatican II dispute over this dogma. He defended the dogma Outside the Church There is No Salvation and the necessity of water baptism against the modernist pre-Vatican II ‘clerics’ who were denying it. People who fail to recognize that the denial of this core truth was in full swing in the decades before Vatican II will not see the true nature of the current crisis. They are also more likely to fall prey to the heretical teaching that was circulated in fallible sources before Vatican II. Yes, we had modernists Before Vatican II. The denial of Outside the Church There is No Salvation and the necessity of water baptism by pre-Vatican II modernists was one of the primary causes of the apostasy at Vatican II
David85
www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/2nd_edition_final.pdf
The highest teaching authority of the Catholic Church:
Ex cathedra Papal decrees (decrees from the Chair of St. Peter). They constitute the teaching given to the Catholic Church by Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Such teachings are unchangeable and are classified as part of the solemn magisterium (the extraordinary teaching authority of the …More
www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/2nd_edition_final.pdf
The highest teaching authority of the Catholic Church:
Ex cathedra Papal decrees (decrees from the Chair of St. Peter). They constitute the teaching given to the Catholic Church by Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Such teachings are unchangeable and are classified as part of the solemn magisterium (the extraordinary teaching authority of the Catholic Church. This teaching doesn't come from the Dimond brothers! Judge not, that ye be not judged.
David85
The declared enemies of God and His Church, heretics and schismatics, must be criticized as much as possible, as long as truth is not denied. It is a work of ((((charity)))) to shout: 'Here is the wolf!' when it enters the flock or anywhere else. Saint Francis de Sales
David85
David85
The New Rite of Holy Orders (bishops, priests, deacons) was approved and imposed by Paul VI on June 18, 1968. The following information is crucial for all Catholics to know, since it concerns the validity of essentially every “priest” ordained within the diocesan structure since approximately 1968; and consequently, it concerns the validity of countless confessions, indult Masses, etc.
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The New Rite of Holy Orders (bishops, priests, deacons) was approved and imposed by Paul VI on June 18, 1968. The following information is crucial for all Catholics to know, since it concerns the validity of essentially every “priest” ordained within the diocesan structure since approximately 1968; and consequently, it concerns the validity of countless confessions, indult Masses, etc.
On Nov. 30, 1947, Pope Pius XII issued an apostolic Constitution called “Sacramentum Ordinis.” In this Constitution, Pope Pius XII declared, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, the words that are necessary for a valid ordination to the priesthood.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THE NEW RITE OF ORDINATION IS NOT THE FORM, BUT THE SURROUNDING CEREMONIES WHICH HAVE BEEN REMOVED
The change to the essential form is not the only problem with the New Rite of Ordination promulgated by Paul VI. The following points are just as significant because the Sacrament of Order, although instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ, was not instituted by Our Lord with a specific sacramental form – unlike the Sacraments of the Eucharist and Baptism, which were instituted by Our Lord with a specific sacramental form – so that the form of words in Ordination is given its meaning and significance by the surrounding rite and ceremonies.
In his famous Bull, Apostolicae Curae, Sept. 13, 1896, Pope Leo XIII solemnly declared that Anglican Ordinations are invalid. This means that the Anglican sect doesn’t have valid priests or bishops.
Pope Leo XIII, Apostolicae Curae, Sept. 13, 1896: “… of Our own motion and certain knowledge We pronounce and declare that Ordinations carried out according to the Anglican rite have been and are absolutely null and utterly void.”
In making this solemn pronouncement, it must be understood that Pope Leo XIII was not making Anglican Ordinations invalid, but rather he was declaring that they were invalid due to defects in the rite. But what were those defects or problems which Leo XIII saw with the Anglican Rite, which contributed to its invalidity?
Pope Leo XIII, Apostolicae Curae, Sept. 13, 1896: “When anyone has rightly and seriously made use of the due form and the matter requisite for effecting or conferring the sacrament he is considered by that very fact to do what the Church does. On this principle rests the doctrine that a sacrament is truly conferred by the ministry of one who is a heretic or unbaptized, provided the Catholic rite be employed. On the other hand, if the rite be changed, with the manifest intention of introducing another rite not approved by the Church, and of rejecting what the Church does, and what by the institution of Christ belongs to the nature of the sacrament, then it is clear that not only is the necessary intention wanting to the sacrament, but that the intention is adverse to and destructive of the sacrament.”
Here we see Pope Leo XIII teaching that if a minister uses the Catholic rite in conferring the Sacrament of Order, with the correct matter and form, he is considered for that very reason to have intended to do what the Church does – intending to do what the Church does is necessary for the validity of any sacrament. On the other hand, he tells us, if the rite is changed with the manifest intention of introducing a new rite not approved by the Church, and of rejecting what the Church does, then the intention is not only insufficient, but is destructive of the Sacrament.
And what were the things that Pope Leo XIII described as showing the destructive intention of the Anglican rite of Ordination?
Pope Leo XIII, Apostolicae Curae, Sept. 13, 1896: “For, to put aside other reasons which show this to be insufficient for the purpose in the Anglican rite, let this argument suffice for all: from them has been deliberately removed whatever sets forth the dignity and office of the priesthood in the Catholic rite. That form consequently cannot be considered apt or sufficient for the sacrament which omits what it ought essentially to signify.”
Pope Leo XIII, Apostolicae Curae, Sept. 13, 1896: “So it comes to pass that, as the Sacrament of Orders and the true sacerdotium [sacrificing priesthood] of Christ were utterly eliminated from the Anglican rite, and hence the sacerdotium [priesthood] is in no wise conferred truly and validly in the Episcopal consecration of the same rite, for the like reason, therefore, the Episcopate can in no wise be truly and validly conferred by it; and this the more so because among the first duties of the Episcopate is that of ordaining ministers for the Holy Eucharist and sacrifice.”
Pope Leo XIII, Apostolicae Curae, Sept. 13, 1896: “Being fully cognizant of the necessary connection between faith and worship, between ‘the law of believing and the law of praying,’ under a pretext of returning to the primitive form, they corrupted the liturgical order in many ways to suit the errors of the reformers. For this reason in the whole Ordinal not only is there no clear mention of the sacrifice, of consecration, of the sacerdotium [sacrificing priesthood], but, as we have just stated, every trace of these things, which had been in such prayers of the Catholic rite as they had not entirely rejected, was deliberately removed and struck out. In this way the native character – or spirit as it is called – of the Ordinal clearly manifests itself. Hence, if vitiated in its origin it was wholly insufficient to confer Orders, it was impossible that in the course of time it could become sufficient since no change had taken place.”
Dear reader, these things described above by Pope Leo XIII as the downfall of the Anglican Rite of Ordination – the systematic removal of every reference to the sacrifice of the Mass, consecration and the true sacrificing priesthood – are exactly the things that occurred in the New Rite of Ordination promulgated by Paul VI!
David85
True Catholics must reject the Vatican II sect and its antipopes as non-Catholic, believe in Outside the Church There is No Salvation without exception (no “baptism of desire,” no salvation for those “invincibly ignorant” of the Catholic faith), reject NFP, and should never support any heretical priests.

The independent groups and priests who acknowledge Antipope Francis (e.g., the priests of …
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True Catholics must reject the Vatican II sect and its antipopes as non-Catholic, believe in Outside the Church There is No Salvation without exception (no “baptism of desire,” no salvation for those “invincibly ignorant” of the Catholic faith), reject NFP, and should never support any heretical priests.

The independent groups and priests who acknowledge Antipope Francis (e.g., the priests of the SSPX and similar groups) are becoming ever more schismatic as a result of an obstinate and prolonged adherence to false positions. And most of the sedevacantist priests (who claim to reject Antipope Francis and the Vatican II sect) hold that souls can be saved in false religions, and condemn the Church’s dogmatic teaching on the necessity of Baptism for salvation as “mortally sinful.” They are horrible and imposing heretics who must not be approached for any sacraments at all.

While resisting the Vatican II apostasy the SSPX obstinately maintains an allegiance to the manifestly heretical “bishops” of the Novus Ordo/Vatican II Church.
They recognize manifest heretics (the Novus Ordo bishops and the Vatican II antipopes) as Catholics who possess authority in the Church, which is heretical They need to recognize that these heretical bishops are outside the Church and have no authority at all.

The highest teaching authority of the Catholic Church:
Ex cathedra Papal decrees (decrees from the Chair of St. Peter). They constitute the teaching given to the Catholic Church by Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Such teachings are unchangeable and are classified as part of the solemn magisterium (the extraordinary teaching authority of the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church infallibly teaches that the Sacrament of Baptism is necessary for salvation. It is only through receiving the Sacrament of Baptism that one is incorporated into the Catholic Church, outside of which there is no salvation.

The Catholic Church infallibly teaches that the words of Jesus Christ in John 3:5 – Amen, amen I say unto thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God – are to be understood literally: as they are written. This is the infallible teaching of the Church and it excludes any possibility of salvation without being born again of water and the Holy Ghost. However, throughout the history of the Church, many have believed in the theories called baptism of desire and baptism of blood: that one’s desire for the Sacrament of Baptism or one’s martyrdom for the faith supplies for the lack of being born again of water and the Holy Ghost. Those who believe in baptism of blood and baptism of desire raise certain objections to the absolute necessity of receiving the Sacrament of Baptism for salvation.

There is only one Christian Church, united in faith, in worship and in succession from the Apostles themselves. For the Church is the Body of Christ Himself, and so is whole and one as Christ's Body is whole and one. This body cannot be divided.

Pope Pius IX, Quartus Supra #6, Jan. 6, 1873: “It has always been the custom of heretics and schismatics to call themselves Catholics and to proclaim their many excellences in order to lead peoples and princes into error.”
mccallansteve
The , Most holy Family Monastery should be avoided at all costs. According to them, they are the only true Catholics left in the world. They greatly lack charity.
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