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Pope Francis Has Fully Regularized the SSPX - James Bogle

Response to Phroggal-

Yes indeed, but it wasn't me (see my previous comment).

Pope Francis Has Fully Regularized the SSPX - James Bogle

Response to Dr. Bobus:

1) The same Fontgambault which was a spin-off of the betrayer of Archbishop Lefebvre, Dom Gerard of La Barroux? If you met Archbishop Lefebvre, but still ended up at Fontgambault, it is pretty obvious the Archbishop (who said Dom Gerard and the indult communities were "doing the devil's work") didn't rub off on you;

2) This response erroneously pretends the Mass is the …More
Response to Dr. Bobus:

1) The same Fontgambault which was a spin-off of the betrayer of Archbishop Lefebvre, Dom Gerard of La Barroux? If you met Archbishop Lefebvre, but still ended up at Fontgambault, it is pretty obvious the Archbishop (who said Dom Gerard and the indult communities were "doing the devil's work") didn't rub off on you;

2) This response erroneously pretends the Mass is the only issue. But as Archbishop Lefebvre said, one does not merely frequent a Mass, but an entire millieu: There is the sermon; the confessional advice; the conversations before and after Mass (all among those who have accepted the errors of V2 in trade for the Mass);

3) I think your previous responses explain the reason;

4) Yes, there is now open tradcumenism between the SSPX and the former PCED communities whom the Archbishop said were doing the devil's work. Disgraceful conferences like the Catholic Identity Conference and this year's Angelus Press Conference could never have occurred in Archbishop Lefebvre's time, but today they are commonplace. So much for the SSPX remaining "as we are." Lefebvre used to write and preach often about why there could be no collaboration with the betrayers of Tradition in the Ecclesia Dei communities, whereas today it is commonplace;

5) Most of the modernists at Vatican II had doctorates in Thomistic studies. It is very obviously (in both their cases, and your own) no guarantee of doctrinal orthodoxy;

6) So you taught at a seminary for a community which officially espouses the hermeneutic of continuity which archbishop Lefebvre rejected (which would corroborate by response above): Religious liberty, ecumenism, and collegiality are all compatible with the pre-Vatican II magisterium, allegedly. Yet Archbishop Lefebvre spent the greater part of his post-conciliar life opposing these and other errors (which the Ecclesia Dei communities have accepted);

7) That you speak as though you would consider attending an FSSP Mass venue, if only it were closer, speaks against your orthodoxy, not in favor of it;

8) So you made a sentimental visit to the formerly traditional St. Mary's. This gets you nowhere;

Pax tecum,
Athanasius

Pope Francis Has Fully Regularized the SSPX - James Bogle

Dr. Bobus-
I have been going to the SSPX for 20 years.
How long have you been going?
What position are you in then to comment on whether or not there have been any compromises?
Why don't you take some time to run through the list of 106 compromises I provided to you, and attempt to deny them (I say deny, since you can't refute them, any more than you can refute the weather report).

Pope Francis Has Fully Regularized the SSPX - James Bogle

+Lefebvre is rolling over in his grave at +Fellay's treachery.

Pope Francis Has Fully Regularized the SSPX - James Bogle

Dear Fr. Belland-
What you say was true 20 years ago, when the SSPX was still traditional, but no longer. The best thing Rome can do to crush what tradition remains in it is to regularize the Society ("Regularization carries within itself its own internal dynamism..what is important is that there no longer be resistance." -Fr. Cottier upon the conquest of Campos). The greatest enemies of …More
Dear Fr. Belland-
What you say was true 20 years ago, when the SSPX was still traditional, but no longer. The best thing Rome can do to crush what tradition remains in it is to regularize the Society ("Regularization carries within itself its own internal dynamism..what is important is that there no longer be resistance." -Fr. Cottier upon the conquest of Campos). The greatest enemies of Tradition therefore support the regularization, regardless of there lip service to the contrary. This is all smoke and mirrors to pretend that the SSPX is still traditional, so the liberals must resist them. When one looks at the level of collaboration between the SSPX and the various dioceses (delegation for marriage, for example), there is no conciliar resistance to a neutered SSPX. You might want to have a look at this:
www.cathinfo.com/…/catalog-of-comp…