Exclusive: Inside sources provide new info on priest censured for denying lesbian Communion

I love it! "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition"! In this spiritual battle between the Homo's and the church I say NO MERCY in debating with them! They have hurt society and the church so much now that we Christians have an obligation to diminish every aspect of their godless lifestyles.

Cannoli - Nope. But I'm all for holy Italians. Especially ones born before 1962.

Just so you know, though, not everyone who isn't ready to pick up their machine gun is a modernist.

Rhemes - Don't get me wrong... I'm all for correcting these things, and publicly. I'm just not for verbal lynching of anyone by the laity. The Church certainly ought to stand up and support the clergy who take a stand to defend Our Eucharistic Lord from profanation by public sinners. There is no question about it.

My only "problem" is that these days people are SO indignant (even if justly), that they seem to loose sight of charity. We can clamor (and we should) for the Church to defend Our Lord's honor. But can't we do so without hateful words? Can't we simply say, "the Church ought to do something about this!"? Or better yet, why not send letters to the authorities in question, asking why they are not rather defending Our Lord (hopefully in respectful language, mindful of their office) than condemning those who do defend Him? Remember, the excuse for the authorities "doing nothing" is that they think this is what the people want - political correctness. Yet will they hear otherwise if Catholics are just spewing hatred at them on the internet? It isn't likely. A million respectful letters to the tune of "when are you going to bother about Our Lord's rights?" would probably get farther.

It is supremely tragic that the churchmen today seem to reprimand her priests more than the public sinners, and I am all for the laity crying out for a change in that. But I am for doing everything that we do in a spirit of charity.

I was only making the point that prayer is not "doing nothing". The clergy are also desperately in need of grace in this age of modernism and corruption, but I suspect that that grace will not come from harsh words, either. Nuns and monks are priceless in this world precisely because they are the ones doing the heavy praying and sacrificing in this world. If none of that counted or worked or amounted to anything, what would be the point of their whole lives?

God bless the priests and bishops who do stand up for Him and the truth, political correctness aside. But I am certain that words of prayer (which call down real graces) will beat unkind words in any situation.

Canolli's modernists take it too far, and say "don't say ANYTHING that could be offensive (eg. the truth, because someone will object.) I'm saying, speak the truth loud and clear, even if people are offended by that truth... but always with charity. There is a difference between "this behavior is immoral" (a truth) and "this person is a ****! They should be hung!" One is speaking the truth regardless of feelings. The other is simply uncharitable, and serves no purpose but the venting of anger.

Our age is missing holy love... not the coward's refusal to tell the truth frankly, but the sense that every soul is invaluable, and loved by God, and that our love of Him ought to move us very powerfully to treat every soul with compassion, even when we have to tell the unpleasant truth.

You're straying from the topic slightly but no problem.

Our Lady wasn't a modernist, and she armed us with the Rosary.

Not relevant to the subject of this thread. She, of course, was not a modernist but you are.
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"Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." Pope Pius IX

“Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition”

The song describes a chaplain ("sky pilot") being with some fighting men who are under attack from an enemy. He is asked to say a prayer for the men who were engaged in firing at the oncoming planes. The chaplain puts down his Bible, mans one of the ship's gun turrets and begins firing back, saying, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition".
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There is nothing soft, silly or sentimental about prayer or penance.

Nobody said there was. You are fond of employing the logical fallacy of the Strawman. Look it up, Cup Cake.

Ora et Labora - Saint Benedict

There is indeed something soft, silly, sentimental and stupid when a Catholic believes only in one without the other as you have done on this thread. Prayer is not enough. If it were enough then the Catholic bishops would not be fighting tooth and nail in their opposition to Obama's health care mandate forcing Catholic organizations to sponsor abortifacients.

The bishops, for once, know that prayer alone is not enough. Work is necessary in this and in every worthwhile endeavor. It's a pity that some Catholics don't realize it.
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p.s Do you like Italian pastry? Have you ever had a Cannoli?

Our Lady wasn't a modernist, and she armed us with the Rosary. It has proven to be a most effective weapon any time it is employed by men of faith. Our Lady has promised that one day God will, by it and the scapular, save the world. Of course, some men wouldn't believe the mother of God, unless she appeared to them personally. (And most likely not even then.)

Here are some other very traditional, non-modernist things:

"Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." Pope Pius IX

"Divine Heart of Jesus, convert sinners, save the dying, deliver the holy souls in purgatory!" - 300 days, each time - Pope Pius X, 1906

"Eternal Father, I offer Thee the wounds of our Lord Jesus Christ, to heal the wounds of our souls. - 300 days, every time - Sacred Penitentiary, 1924

"O most merciful Jesus, lover of souls, I pray Thee, by the agony of Thy most sacred Heart, and by the sorrows of Thy Immaculate Mother, cleanse in Thine own blood the sinners of the whole world who are now in their agony and about to die this day. Amen. Heart of Jesus, once in agony, pity the dying. - 100 days, each time - Pope Pius IX, 1850

"O most Sacred Heart of Jesus! Pour down Thy blessings abundantly upon Thy Church; upon the Supreme Pontiff and upon all the clergy; give perseverance to the just, convert sinners, enlighten unbelievers, bless our parents, friends and benefactors, help the dying, deliver the souls in Purgatory, and extend over all hearts the sweet empire of Thy love. Amen" - 300 days, once a day, plenary indulgence once a month if recited daily - Pope Pius X

The Church gives us abundant prayers to say for sinners, and attached real grace to those prayers. None of them are useless or vain, and even our beloved and saintly traditional popes approved them. There is nothing soft, silly or sentimental about prayer or penance. There IS something wrong when Catholics cease to believe in them.

"Who is going to save our Church?
Not our bishops,
not our priests and religious.
It is up to you, the people.
You have the mind, the eyes, the ears
to Save the Church.
Your mission is to see that your
priests act like priests,
your bishops like bishops and
your religious act like religious."

(Bishop Fulton Sheen)

Seems we need to keep reminding some priests to put their Collar on.

But if they choose not to wear it because they want to mingle in the public crowd...how on earth is anyone to expect them to stand and defend the Catholic faith against an open and defiant lesbian who the Church backs and even apologizes to?

St. Therese knew of a hardened criminal going to the gallows unrepentant. She prayed for him, and at the last moment the man converted.

Anecdotal and another case that is impossible to prove.

Without condemnation. Sr. Josefa Menendez suffered the very fires of hell to convert sinners. She never sent them letters from her convent, calling them names, however.

It wasn't her business to do so. This is no longer the beginning of the 20th century. Today she might be writing letters to priests, bishops, cardinals and even popes reprimanding them for the ineffectiveness, cowardice and complacency.

I certainly have not heard one single story, of a layman calling names and wishing evil to someone on an internet forum, converting a sinner.

Grow up and come down from your illusionary ivory tower. There are NO conversions on the internet. You being a modernist and an idealist have visions of sugarplums dancing in your skull where you believe that soft words will accomplish some kind of "conversion" with obstinate sinners.

Your soft words accomplish nothing other than to demonstrate your weakness to the enemies of the faith. They respond with even more venom and further attacks on the King you claim to serve and his priests.

You have conveniently and predictably ignored my earlier post because it destroys your modernist notion that "harsh" words are to be avoided. For that reason, I will post it again with the slim hope that perhaps this time you will read and attempt to understand what is written.
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St. John the Baptist calls the Pharisees a "race of vipers"; Jesus Christ, Our Divine Savior, hurls at them the epithets "hypocrites, whitened sepulchres, a perverse and adulterous generation." St. Paul criticizes the schismatic Cretians as "always liars, evil beasts, slothful bellies." The same Apostle calls Elymas the magician a "seducer, full of guile and deceit, a child of the devil, and enemy of all justice."

The Fathers of the Church exercised the same vigorous castigation of heresy and heretics. The gentle St. Bernard did not honey his words when he attacked the enemies of the Faith. Addressing Arnold of Brescia, the great Liberal agitator of his times, he calls him in his letters, "seducer, vase of injuries, scorpion, cruel wolf."

The Angelic Doctor, Saint Thomas Aquinas, forgets the calm of his cold syllogisms when he hurls his violent attacks against William of St. Amour, and his disciples; "Enemies of God, ministers of the devil, members of antichrist, ignorami, perverts, reprobates!"

Did St. Francis de Sales, purr softly over the heretics of his age and country? With the enemies of the Faith he preserved neither moderation nor consideration.

Asked by a Catholic, who desired to know if it were permissible to speak evil of a heretic who propagated false doctrines, he replied: "Yes, you can, on the condition that you adhere to the exact truth, to what you know of his bad conduct, presenting that which is doubtful as doubtful, according to the degree of doubt which you may have in this regard." In his _Introduction to the Devout Life_, he expresses himself again: 'If the declared enemies of God and of the Church, ought to be blamed and censured with all possible vigor, charity obliges us to cry 'wolf' when the wolf slips into the midst of the flock and in every way and place we may meet him."

www.ewtn.com/library/theology/libsin.htm

p.s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz7GPMZ_61I

Not impossible to prove. St. Therese knew of a hardened criminal going to the gallows unrepentant. She prayed for him, and at the last moment the man converted. Without condemnation. Sr. Josefa Menendez suffered the very fires of hell to convert sinners. She never sent them letters from her convent, calling them names, however. Such was her love of sinners, that she was willing to suffer anything to save them... especially those sinners in religion. I'm sure the good thief heard many times what a such-and-such kind of thief he was... yet it was the example of Our Lord (and perhaps in part a miracle he received in his infancy) that converted him, not condemnation. The Church records countless lives of saints who similarly won souls for Our Lord via prayer, good example and penance.

Conversion of sinners by prayer and penance and kindness, in the lives of the saints, is everywhere. The number of stories you'll find of someone converting after being verbally condemned, even by a very saintly soul, are far fewer in comparison. I can't recall one single story where a saint simply called the person names, or demanded the public "bring them down", and the person converted. I certainly have not heard one single story, of a layman calling names and wishing evil to someone on an internet forum, converting a sinner.

Prayer and penance are far from impotent means of conversion, and there is plenty of proof for that. There is no soul God wants to see in hell, no matter how badly anyone else wants to see them there.

An amusing hypothetical but impossible to prove firstly in finding “a convent full of holy traditional nuns.”
Good luck with that.

You can swear at and condemn the one..
Strawman.

Nobody is swearing at your dears unless you foolishly claim that Our Lord, St. John the Baptist, St. Paul, St. Bernard, Aquinas etc were also “swearing” when they used harsh words against their enemies and the enemies of the faith.

p.s. Can you make Pasta alle Melanzane? Just askin'

by legitimate authorities

Who are “legitimate authorities.” Are Catholic hierarchy ”legitimate authorities.”

Don't hold your breath waiting for them to condemn her or any homosexual's behavior. Look at the way the “”legitimate authorities” in the Archdiocese of Washington threw Fr. Marcel Guarnizo under the bus choosing to believe and apologize to this lesbian rather than to their own priest.

Personal, negative remarks are a sign of hatred, and reflect an inner spirit of animosity that goes beyond "just indignation."

You need to read some pre-Vatican II works.

St. John the Baptist calls the Pharisees a "race of vipers"; Jesus Christ, Our Divine Savior, hurls at them the epithets "hypocrites, whitened sepulchres, a perverse and adulterous generation." St. Paul criticizes the schismatic Cretians as "always liars, evil beasts, slothful bellies." The same Apostle calls Elymas the magician a "seducer, full of guile and deceit, a child of the devil, and enemy of all justice."

The Fathers of the Church exercised the same vigorous castigation of heresy and heretics. The gentle St. Bernard did not honey his words when he attacked the enemies of the Faith. Addressing Arnold of Brescia, the great Liberal agitator of his times, he calls him in his letters, "seducer, vase of injuries, scorpion, cruel wolf."

The Angelic Doctor, Saint Thomas Aquinas, forgets the calm of his cold syllogisms when he hurls his violent attacks against William of St. Amour, and his disciples; "Enemies of God, ministers of the devil, members of antichrist, ignorami, perverts, reprobates!"

Did St. Francis de Sales, purr softly over the heretics of his age and country? With the enemies of the Faith he preserved neither moderation nor consideration.

Asked by a Catholic, who desired to know if it were permissible to speak evil of a heretic who propagated false doctrines, he replied: "Yes, you can, on the condition that you adhere to the exact truth, to what you know of his bad conduct, presenting that which is doubtful as doubtful, according to the degree of doubt which you may have in this regard." In his _Introduction to the Devout Life_, he expresses himself again: 'If the declared enemies of God and of the Church, ought to be blamed and censured with all possible vigor, charity obliges us to cry 'wolf' when the wolf slips into the midst of the flock and in every way and place we may meet him."

www.ewtn.com/library/theology/libsin.htm

p.s. I mistakenly thought you were a man in my last post. I was wrong. However, you should be spending your time in the kitchen learning some new culinary delights rather than wasting time at an Internet website. How will you ever find (and keep) a man if you can't intrigue him with your cooking.

I can agree wholeheartedly that her actions should be condemned (by legitimate authorities) without name calling. Every sinner is a "dirty rotten Judas, selling out Our Lord for the price of whatever their sin got them". But do we really need to go around pouring that kind of hatred on one another? Is that really going to fix anything? Nope. Save souls? Nope. Work justice? Nope. Serve pride? Bet your bottom.

Absolutely it's reprehensible. It's doubly reprehensible that the priest isn't hailed as a hero instead of criticized. Those are facts. "So and so is a dirty, rotten... and should go to ..." kind of comments are not facts. They are hatred. They serve for nothing else. There is no defense for hatred. Lesbianism is one horrible sin. Hatred is another deadly sin. Slander, detraction, calumny and such are also detestable sins. All have added to the wounds of Our Lord, Christ.

There is nothing weak or wimpy about love that keeps us from hatred. Virtue, on the contrary, is the most manly thing that there is. Just indignation is one thing. Speaking evil of one's neighbor is a sin. None of us is her priest, her bishop, her parent, her sibling, etc... that it is even our place to be discussing her sins. Certainly we have no right to hate her for them. Personal, negative remarks are a sign of hatred, and reflect an inner spirit of animosity that goes beyond "just indignation."

Just indignation means that as Catholics we are appalled at the evils. Saying, "how horrible!" is a good example of just indignation. Personal name calling and evil wishing are of the devil and hatred, and we can express our just indignation without any sign them. And we can certainly express our charity better by praying for sinners than publicly, verbally eviscerating them. Hateful words and ill-wishing never converted anyone, but at the prayers and penances of holy souls, many souls have been converted. Those are also facts. There is nothing wimpy about prayer.

"The power of prayer is really tremendous...." - St. Therese the Little Flower

I think when a person as such as this lesbian sicko places herself in the spot-light and demands a priest to step-down because of her gross and twisted moral ways she opens herself to ridicule. Its are Christian duty to bring this woman down! Don't be fooled its the devils trick to fall for tolerating this sicko! Holy Cannoli you are right this vial creature needs to be scorned! Yes we are to love her as a human being but her actions are to be punished. One of her actions is looking like a man and I for one think its hideous! How dare she go after a priest of God! She is a disgusting creature!

This hateful creature OUGHT to be scorned. This hateful creature OUGHT to be rebuked. This women OUGHT to be exposed as a liar and a fraud. This despicable, vicious, hateful creature OUGHT to be seen as a vindictive militant lesbian who is out to destroy a holy priest. For her own sake, this hateful creature OUGHT to be told she is on a path straight to perdition unless she repents, makes restitution and forsakes her habitual sin.

However, you “hate the sin, love the sinner” types will never expose this women for who she is. You are too busy with your false “charity” to make a difference in her life and the lives of who knows how many more sodomites. Your phony charity, instead of doing the least bit of good, literally contributes to their eternal death and not to their salvation.

So, who truly “loves the sinner and hates the sin”? Is it you wimpy, modernist, namby-pamby, hand holders afraid of your own shadow or is it those courageous souls who are not fearful of calling a sinner a sinner and who may additionally have the opportunity to actively seek their reformation and redemption through STRAIGHT talk and not Bull Shite?

So, little man, take you modernist, post VC-II, cr*p and shove it where the sun don't shine. We already have enough of you apologists for sodomy within the Church including some priests and bishops.

Well, I should hope that each of us remembers to treat (and speak of) even the worst sinners as Our Lord would want them spoken of. (I say not, "as we would want to be spoken of," because we can then dismiss our uncharitable attitudes on the grounds we'd want others to treat us the same way if we were the sinner).

Obviously, this is one of those heinous sins that is utterly galling, but we also ought to remember... Our Lord bears no hatred for sinners. Only the sin. We ought to walk in His spirit of loving the sinner and being compassionate (at least by praying rather than bashing) those who are living in such grave sin.

When the world sees Catholics making hateful remarks about sinners, they see hypocrisy. And indeed they do see it, unfortunately. There can be no defense for the galling sins... of this woman, or of our own. But the love that we are called upon by Christ to love even our enemies with, has got to be something real. If our hearts are filled with hatred for the person every time we hear someone is this or that kind of sinner (gay, abortionist, etc.) we do not have real charity in us.

It's easy to say, "I don't hate this person, just the sin" ... but if our words and attitudes and emotions and actions are saying exactly the opposite, we ought to wonder what is the quality of our charity. It is one of the hardest things in the world to love your enemies, or someone guilty of the most disgusting sins, with sincere love... but if you can't find that sincere love in your heart, then you have not got the sympathy of Christ for the sick soul. Our Lord surely wants the sin abolished out of that person's soul, and out of their lives... but Our Lord would yet love that sinner with mercy and compassion infinitely tender. Can we say the same? Do we love this or that sinner, ugly though their sins are, with the same love we have toward our dearest friends, or the same love which Christ had toward Mary Magdalen?

It's tragic that people think this appalling, immoral behavior is something they can do, or that there's nothing wrong with it. Of course they are dead wrong. But it's no surprise if non-Cathoilcs behave immorally. We ought to be concerned, however, when our own words become hypocritical and empty... when our charity stops at SAYING we love the sinner and hate the sin, and yet our attitudes, our remarks, our deepest heartfelt sentiments, are utterly contrary to the love with which Our Lord was willing to die on the cross, to offer those very souls a chance to come to Him. His love didn't stop at just saying, or matter-of-factly proposing that sinners might be saved. He loved them deeply, truly and tenderly.

How many of us look on these sinners and feel true, heartfelt love, in spite of their sins? How many are willing to pray for them in a spirit of spite and scorn, but not with the sincere, concerned love with which we would fight by prayer to save the soul of a mother or brother or sister? But even the most heinous sinner has a soul deeply loved by God as a son or daughter, even if their actions are treacherous. He harbors no desire to see any soul in hell, but that all should come to Him, repent and live. Would that we also had that charity in our hearts, not just words.

Just saying...