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Forget About Traditionis Custodes: FSSP Ordains Five Subdeacons

Retired Bishop Robert Finn, 68, formerly in Kansas City – Saint Joseph, ordained five subdeacons for the Fraternity of Saint Peter.

The Pontificale Romanum ceremony took place in the chapel of Saints Peter and Paul at Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary on February 12 and was only open to the family and invited guests of those ordained, Adrian Fyda, Quinn Gomez, Isaac Lind, Nathan Pospischil, and Evan Schwab.

Extremists like Bergoglio or Roche believe that the use of the Pontificale Romanum is “forbidden.” Moderate clergy takes a less legalistic view.

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Ultraviolet
@Ave Crux Protip: Loads O' Bold, Ranty Red and Lotsa Underlining is not "additional clarification". More importantly, no one here even needs your "additional clarifcation".
You wrote: "It appears additional clarification is needed for those who misread the Responsa Ad Dubia from the Vatican."
Based on the comments here, that doesn't apply to anyone, not even yourself. You haven't mis-readMore
@Ave Crux Protip: Loads O' Bold, Ranty Red and Lotsa Underlining is not "additional clarification". More importantly, no one here even needs your "additional clarifcation".

You wrote: "It appears additional clarification is needed for those who misread the Responsa Ad Dubia from the Vatican."

Based on the comments here, that doesn't apply to anyone, not even yourself. You haven't mis-read the document, you simply don't understand it.

"After discernment the diocesan Bishop is authorised to grant permission..."

Bishop Finn isn't the diocesan Bishop for any of the three diocsese in Nebraska. This Vatican "clarification" addresses what a diocesan Bishop is authorized to grant.

When you figure out the difference between a retired bishop and the diocesan bishop, then you can go back to playing with your GTV crayon box. What happened? Did you run out of Yammering Yellow?
An Na
Wyswieconych zostalo 4 subdiakonow.
There was 4 subdeacons who were ordained last Saturday! Please edit this postMore
Wyswieconych zostalo 4 subdiakonow.

There was 4 subdeacons who were ordained last Saturday! Please edit this post
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Ave Crux
@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori What wonderful news! We were wondering how that "Visitation" at the Carmelite monastery was going and had heard they weren't going to let the "Visitators" into the monastery (AKA "Inquisitors" and "Executioners").
Our Lady at Quito said that those in "Authority" would begin to abuse the weak in our times. Well, it's time to fight back over these outrageous abuses.
I say "No!…More
@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori What wonderful news! We were wondering how that "Visitation" at the Carmelite monastery was going and had heard they weren't going to let the "Visitators" into the monastery (AKA "Inquisitors" and "Executioners").

Our Lady at Quito said that those in "Authority" would begin to abuse the weak in our times. Well, it's time to fight back over these outrageous abuses.

I say "No!" to these evil men and all their designs for destruction.
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
That's right. One of my friends (he's 27 also), said that if he ever came across Francis face to face, he'd tell him where he could go!
Ave Crux
It appears additional clarification is needed for those who misread the Responsa Ad Dubia from the Vatican:
If re-read it correctly --- The Diocesan Bishop is authorized by the Vatican to grant permission only for the Rituale Romanum not the Pontificale Romanum.
ANSWER OF THE VATICAN PRECISELY TO THE DUBIA QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THE PONTIFICALE ROMANUM MAY BE USED:
The Vatican's response to …More
It appears additional clarification is needed for those who misread the Responsa Ad Dubia from the Vatican:

If re-read it correctly --- The Diocesan Bishop is authorized by the Vatican to grant permission only for the Rituale Romanum not the Pontificale Romanum.

ANSWER OF THE VATICAN PRECISELY TO THE DUBIA QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THE PONTIFICALE ROMANUM MAY BE USED:

The Vatican's response to this Dubia question was "Negative"

"After discernment the diocesan Bishop is authorised to grant permission to use only the Rituale Romanum (last editio typica 1952) and not the Pontificale Romanum which predate the liturgical reform of the Second Vatican Council."

However, FSSP and Bishop Finn faithfully used the Traditional Pontificale Romanum, nonetheless.

Long live Tradition! Long live Christ the King, and not those who abuse their authority to destroy what was not theirs to destroy.
Ultraviolet
@Ave Crux "The diocesan Bishop is authorised to grant permission to use..." Bishop Finn(ret.) isn't the diocesan Bishop. Your cite is irrelevant and my comment remains correct. :D
Rafał_Ovile
Fraternity of St. Pius X - FSSPX - should seize the ideal opportunity to ordain many bishops during the usurper's reign and while Pope Benedict XVI is living.
Ave Crux
Bishop Finn and FSSP carry on, faithful to Tradition despite the following:
Per en.news
"The Pontificale Romanum ceremony took place in the chapel of Saints Peter and Paul at Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary..."
Vatican's reply to the Dubia regarding the Pontificale Romanum:
RESPONSA AD DUBIA
on certain provisions of the
Apostolic Letter

TRADITIONIS CUSTODES
issued “Motu Proprio” by the Supreme …More
Bishop Finn and FSSP carry on, faithful to Tradition despite the following:

Per en.news
"The Pontificale Romanum ceremony took place in the chapel of Saints Peter and Paul at Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary..."

Vatican's reply to the Dubia regarding the Pontificale Romanum:

RESPONSA AD DUBIA
on certain provisions of the
Apostolic Letter

TRADITIONIS CUSTODES
issued “Motu Proprio” by the Supreme Pontiff
FRANCIS


To the proposed question:

Is it possible, according to the provisions of the Motu Proprio Traditionis custodes, to celebrate the sacraments with the Rituale Romanum and the Pontificale Romanum which predate the liturgical reform of the Second Vatican Council?

The answer is:

Negative.

The diocesan Bishop is authorised to grant permission to use only the Rituale Romanum (last editio typica 1952) and not the Pontificale Romanum which predate the liturgical reform of the Second Vatican Council. He may grant this permission only to those canonically erected personal parishes which, according to the provisions of the Motu Proprio Traditionis custodes, celebrate using the Missale Romanum of 1962.

Explanatory note (i.e. the "Party line" propaganda):

The Motu Proprio Traditionis custodes intends to re-establish in the whole Church of the Roman Rite a single and identical prayer expressing its unity, according to the liturgical books promulgated by the Popes Saint Paul VI and Saint John Paul II, in conformity with the decrees of the Second Vatican Council and in line with the tradition of the Church.

The diocesan Bishop, as the moderator, promoter and guardian of all liturgical life, must work to ensure that his diocese returns to a unitary form of celebration (cf. Pope Francis, Letter to the Bishops of the whole world that accompanies the Apostolic Letter Motu Proprio data Traditionis custodes).

This Congregation, exercising the authority of the Holy See in matters within its competence (cf. Traditionis custodes, n. 7), affirms that, in order to make progress in the direction indicated by the Motu Proprio, it should not grant permission to use the Rituale Romanum and the Pontificale Romanum which predate the liturgical reform, these are liturgical books which, like all previous norms, instructions, concessions and customs, have been abrogated (cf. Traditionis custodes, n. 8).

After discernment the diocesan Bishop is authorised to grant permission to use only the Rituale Romanum (last editio typica 1952) and not the Pontificale Romanum which predate the liturgical reform of the Second Vatican Council.


This permission is to be granted only to canonically erected personal parishes which, according to the provisions of the Motu Proprio Traditionis custodes, celebrate with the Missale Romanum of 1962.

It should be remembered that the formula for the Sacrament of Confirmation was changed for the entire Latin Church by Saint Paul VI with the Apostolic Constitution Divinæ consortium naturæ (15 August 1971).

This provision is intended to underline the need to clearly affirm the direction indicated by the Motu Proprio which sees in the liturgical books promulgated by the Saints Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II, in conformity with the decrees of the Second Vatican Council, the unique expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite (cf. Traditionis custodes, n. 1).

In implementing these provisions, care should be taken to accompany all those rooted in the previous form of celebration towards a full understanding of the value of the celebration in the ritual form given to us by the reform of the Second Vatican Council.

This should take place through an appropriate formation that makes it possible to discover how the reformed liturgy is the witness to an unchanged faith, the expression of a renewed ecclesiology, and the primary source of spirituality for Christian life.
Ultraviolet
Entirely lawful under Traditionis Custodes. :)
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
No good Catholic cares about Traditionis Custodes. I know of many good, young priests still celebrating the TLM everywhere, and dozens of bishops who support them. Pope Francis' Vatican thugs tried to start an investigation of a traditional Order of nuns here in the USA a few weeks ago. It's a flourishing monastery with an average age of 32. The nearest similar monastery is in another state, fully …More
No good Catholic cares about Traditionis Custodes. I know of many good, young priests still celebrating the TLM everywhere, and dozens of bishops who support them. Pope Francis' Vatican thugs tried to start an investigation of a traditional Order of nuns here in the USA a few weeks ago. It's a flourishing monastery with an average age of 32. The nearest similar monastery is in another state, fully "Vatican II'd" with an average age of 79. There are close to 30 sisters in the traditional monastery, only 9 in the Vatican II house. When the "investigators" arrived at the tradiitonal house, the nuns locked the doors and threatened to call the police if they tried to enter. About 60 faithful who support the nuns, even some non-Catholics, gathered around and basically told Pope Francis' investigators to "Get the f---" out of here. Good for the faithful and the nuns. All around the world, lots of faithful are basically saying that to Pope Francis and his people....which is great. Francis is despised....even in Italy, seat of the Papacy. What a legacy he will leave behind!!! 😂 😂 🤪
Ultraviolet
"No good Catholic cares about Traditionis Custodes." That explains all the discussion about it on GTV. Pic related...
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
THat's the way for good bishops to do it! Ignore Pope francis, his dictates, and the kind of Church he and his people are trying to create. Be Catholics, not Bergoglians
Jan Joseph
Hier zien we maar weer het Goede Wint het van het Kwade, God Wint het van de Duivel.
Ave Crux
This is what filial resistance looks like....Thanks be to God for good men and prelates who obey God rather than men who know only how to destroy the Treasures of the Church which are not theirs to destroy, and to abuse their authority in a blameworthy manner only to injure the Faithful.