Refusing to Submit to the Roman Pontiff is Spiritual Shipwreck: The SSPX are Protestant.
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I don't have the time to argue with you Pimienka, sorry sister... I do understant that you mean well... but No one is against Francis rather, accepting a few things for the sake of obedience NO! They pray for Him, I pray for him but I do NOT accept ERROR, TRUTH is the road to salvation which is Jesus... The POPE IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT, I don't know were you guys come up with this... Bergoglio DID give communion in the hand EVERY TIME IN ARGENTINA before you say anything, please investigate and then talk... St. Athanasius pray for us!
yeah and no offence..but protestants tough me to raed Bible...
so while going to protestant sites {not knowing I was heretic} I founded Gods word...
here on Gloria tv I find division...
threaths about mansons...nwo...false marianic demonic appearance ...
..one of worst...RELIGIOUS SPIRIT
www.allabouthim.net/…/The Warning Sig…
and begun to doubt whether converting back to catholic was right...
if the liturgy ,,is invalid" saying
The traditional mass uses the following form for the consecration of the wine: "For this the chalice of my blood, of the new and eternal testament; the mystery of faith which shall be shed for you and for many unto the remission of sins." .........
Therefore, using the phrase 'for all' instead of 'for many' in this context heretically implies universal salvation.
then I have a opportunity to attend greek catholic mass and they say,,for many"...
influenced by protestants however I founded kissing of icons blasheming...MARRIED PRIESTs..invalid...
the only stable point to me is God...and if it is in ROMAN catholic church which was build by Holy spirit ,then it remains in POPE Francis.
and everyone here says pope is wrong...what shall I do???
READ LETTER OF Marcel Lefebvre
www.youtube.com/watch
he is so true
yeah....only one thing missing is Luther was a sick person and church at his age cursed people...he would be huge asset to church ...if only he did not losefaith in sacrament..
and wasnt cursed by church
receiving in hand is evil...
truth...
Pope Francis does not give communion in hand...and he did not forbid latin mass....
or???
,,submits in obedience to the Holy Father and trusts that this obedience will bring forth greater graces." An "official note" from the friars Saturday
{news form august 2013
ncronline.org/…/pope-restricts-…}
said while many of the members and communities chose to give priority to the old Mass, the priests always were free to celebrate Mass using both forms"
he didnt say latin mass is just a fashion...he said people who fall for something temporary...
I think it is obsession...those young people are blindly lead by someting tha is far from Holy spirit...although I love latin...it is so precious...
...nevermind...
since I was attacked here lately I had a need to express myself..
Blessed day everyone
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I have gone to only 3 Latin masses in my life and I crave for more,
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craving is very good form of faith...
no offence...I attended one but they did not ,,perform" like that..
www.youtube.com/watch
obedience is signing document and then saying NO I DONT AGREE???
Abp Marcel Lefebvre podpisał wszystkie dokumenty Soboru Watykańskiego II
...abusing precious tradition and refusing Pope...
that is whats circus about ..you refuse Holy spirit.Remember
www.youtube.com/watch
Father Nicholson, if St. Athanasius were alive he would have told you to stop talking nonsense, Obedience for the sake to be obedient is a trap without Truth, only Truth can set you free and in this freedom you OBEY, if they would not recognized the pope like many sedevacantists ARE, they would've dissed the pope, but that wasn't the case as they were worried about the excommunications on them, the first step to talk, was for those to be uplifted and they were.
I know protestants who when it comes to the pope they say awful things and some others don't, saying that the pope is a modernist is nothing but the truth because he is... he likes modernism, but hey most of us today feel comfortable with that, I have gone to only 3 Latin masses in my life and I crave for more, here in St. Petersburg there is no SSPX only diocesan Latin mass... and the problem with them and the Vatican is VATICAN II, not the pope... they DO NOT wish to do a Novus ordo mass, you want protestant? How about the American bishops an the morning after pill in Catholic hospitals approve in 2009 in clear defiance to Benedict or the Germans in February while Benedict was still pope? That is CLEAR disobedience, and the actual pope what does he say about this morning after pills in Catholic hospitals? NADA... so before pointing fingers to people WHO ACTUALLY PRAY FOR THE POPE, take a long hard look into what WE have become as a Church... a Worldly Church, my hope is in those priests like father Rodriguez, Fr. Salazar, Fr. Cancelado, Fr. Paul Magnifico who give themselves in every night to the King of Glory our Lord Jesus Christ... open your eyes!!!
Wearing a chasuble outside Holy Mass is an abuse. It smacks of a poser pretending to be traditional. Even the "wry-grin" photo at the start of the video screams "ego" - look at me. Thank God for Archbishop Lefebvre and all the holy priests of the SSPX. They are in a different league. Their focus is truly on Heaven and anyone who slanders these holy men is mocking true prophets from God in this modern age.
Well said kam. I can certainly relate to what you've written because there is much similarity with me and my family.
Where are the true 'Apostles' within the church? Where? Where are the ones that would defend the faith, the truth, Christ in the Eucharist?
Where's their 'backbones' who would call out the abuses as we know them..Abuses that the apostles would have countered 'head on'.
If they, the saints, the founders of religious orders walked into a novus ordo today they would puke out the foul odor of the devil! The stench of Sodomy also!
Unless a priest or religious truly has what it takes (TRUE Love for Our Lord) as did the Apostles...no matter how much they speak to the public, it will do absolutely nothing! They must take action! Lead by example..not just by mouth! But today we have mice not men. They want the easy road, no confrontations, no 'rocking the boat', ...they FEAR! They think by just going along to get along should keep them in a steady position.
Think about it..because they don't want to 'make waves'...because of their short spines, they'll 'play it safe'..no matter how many souls end up in hell.
Is this TRUE love for Our Lord?
I will pray for you, Father, that the Blessed Mother opens your eyes to the shipwreck of Holy Mother Church that began long before Pope Francis became our Pontiff, became our Leader, our Jesus Christ on earth. I'm sure you know more about the SSPX than it seems you do, and for whatever reason you come off the way you do is for your own self to know. I am just a simple man, who wants the Church to believe and act as the Roman Catholic Church should, in regards to Holy Mass, Dogma, Tradition and Truth. My wife and I are cradle Catholics, were heavily involved in our former parish, as a Eucharistic minister and a Lecture. Our son, back from college, told us about a Traditional Latin Mass that a priest was giving at noon on Sundays in a Novus Ordo parish. We began going, slowly at first, and then, who knows why, perhaps the tremendous beauty of the Rite itself, or maybe it was the Homilys, given with much greater depth and reality than what passes as a homily given by priests brought up in the New Theology. Anyway, Father, that's all it took, the Truth of Holy Mother Church, all rolled up in the Latin Mass. This was not the SSPX, nor will these men who give these Masses ever will be. Just priests like you who have realized that the Mass of all time is the only Mass worth doing. They do both, but it is slowly killing them.
We now go to the SSPX for our worship, Father, not so we can secretly diss the Pope, as you insinuate that the Society does. We go to get away from the watered down version that passes for our Faith nowadays. (I believe you used that analogy, didn't you, Father?) We go because I won't be scandalized by seeing women dressed indecently at Mass. I go because I know that I won't be stepping on pieces of our Lord that have been fallen to the floor during a Novus Ordo Mass. I go for the recital of the Rosary before Mass by the congregation, where we pray for the intentions of the Pope before the Rosary and we pray exclusivly for him at the end of the Rosary. For all the un-Pope-like comments our Holy Father has said, I've yet to hear one disparaging comment from any of the SSPX priests I know.
Father, it has been a long road for my wife and I. We are Third Order Franciscans, at one time secular Franciscans, but that road did not lead us to Heaven. My one obligation here on earth is to get my soul to Heaven. If I can get my wife and children there too, well, I have done some part of my duty as a husband and father. The modern day catholic church is not helping souls get to heaven, you will never convince me of that. Why do all that work anyway, we all will get there when we die. And hell? Well, forget about that...
I will pray for you, Father, as I pray for all priests and religious. And especially for our Holy Father.
kam
Thank you Father for explaining things with such clarity. Its seems that you define submission to the Sovereign Pontiff as never refusing to obey the Holy Father even if the command is detrimental to the Faith, but Pope Francis even thanked an Italian journalist for criticising him. St Paul withstood St Peter to the face. John XXII was opposed by his cardinals when he preached heresy. So standing up to lawful authority when they abuse their authority is not just permissible but can be obligatory and doing so is not a denial of the authority but rather a recognition of the abuse of authority. Could you denounce the kissing of Korans, Assisi meetings, World Youth Day abuses, Taize nonsense (where Catholics and Protestants pretend they are both in the same church) among others, but then again you could be afraid that you'd get in trouble for wearing a chasuble for preaching outside of Mass, a vestment to be used exclusively for the Holy Sacrifice.
Look, your words against the SSPX go way beyond to what the Holy See says. Pope Benedict said that they are in the Church but canonically irregular. Very different from what you promulgate! The Holy See has stated that ecumenism is not to be practised towards the SSPX because they are not outside the Church and that it's an internal matter. If you are honest why don't you submit to the Holy See's position on the SSPX!
Thanks again Father for convincing me that the SSPX are taking the right position in these mad times! God Bless!
I was afraid of being thought to transgress the holy laws, if I were to do this [write this letter to Peter] without knowing the will of the most holy see of Apostolic men, who lead aright the whole plenitude of the Catholic Church, and rule it with order according to the divine law . . . . If the Roman See recognizes Pyrrhus to be not only a reprobate but a heretic, it is certainly plain that everyone who anathematizes those who have rejected Pyrrhus also anathematizes the See of Rome, that is, he anathematizes the Catholic Church. I need hardly add that he excommunicates himself also, if indeed he is in communion with the Roman See and the Catholic Church of God . . . . Let him hasten before all things to satisfy the Roman See, for if it is satisfied, all will agree in calling him pious and orthodox. For he only speaks in vain who . . . does not satisfy and implore the blessed Pope of the most holy Catholic Church of the Romans, that is, the Apostolic See, which is from the incarnate of the Son of God Himself, and also [from] all the holy synods, according to the holy canons and definitions, has received universal and supreme dominion, authority, and power of binding and loosing over all the holy churches of God throughout the whole world — for with it the Word who is above the celestial powers binds and looses in heaven also. For if he thinks he must satisfy others, and fails to implore the most blessed Roman pope, he is acting like a man who, when accused of murder or some other crime, does not hasten to prove his innocence to the judge appointed by the law, but only uselessly and without profit does his best to demonstrate his innocence to private individuals, who have no power to acquit him. (Maximos, letter to the patrician Peter, ca. AD 642)
Mystici Corporis :
But we must not think that He rules only in a hidden or extraordinary manner. On the contrary, our Redeemer also governs His Mystical Body in a visible and normal way through His Vicar on earth. . . . Since He was all-wise He could not leave the body of the Church He had founded as a human society without a visible head. . . . That Christ and His Vicar constitute one only Head is the solemn teaching of Our predecessor of immortal memory Boniface VIII in the Apostolic Letter Unam Sanctam; and his successors have never ceased to repeat the same (par. 40).
Dear Father, In Michael Voris's Vortex, "The Gay Priest Party", I was wondering what you would have done if you had experienced the same thing as that priest who was invited to the party, then be introduced to all the homosexual priests and their partners? And too, remembering they haven't "broken communion with the Roman Pontiff".
Father Nicholson,
How is it that you make such a statement in regards to the SSPX as not being Catholic, yet you stand by those clergy who as you must know, care Nothing about what the pope has to say and or whatever comes out of Rome.
You say at least they remain "in the Church". What 'church' is that Father? What church do these priests who try to refuse you communion on the tongue or when we kneel..which church do they belong to? Or the priests and nuns who believe its a womans' choice to abort or not...what church do they 'remain' in? And the homosexual priests offering mass and later going to meet up with his partner/lover..what church has he remained in? What church is it that so many clergy could care less about their own souls not to mention those of us....What church is that they they belong to?
Ok. You may take the radical view that the SSPX is not Catholic (and contradict Benedict XVI who said the opposite).
But then: Do you think, the German bishops are Catholic who have decided unanimously (and with the tacit support of the Vatican) to introduce abortion through the «morning after pill» in the Catholic hospitals of their country? Does this move lead people in or out of the Church? Can a German Catholic in conscience follow his/her bishops?
Please, Father, you should stop sympathizing with simplistic views. Catholic obedience is strong because it is grounded in TRUTH. But obedience without TRUTH is a lie. We Catholics are (like everybody else) not beyond right and wrong. I do not doubt your good intentions but you do not help the Church by implicitly promoting the abuses (and their perpetrators) and by hammering the (innocent) SSPX and sparing those you are truly guilty for the present mess.
I know, it is safer to slam the SSPX than to defend them. But TRUTH is not about politics and you, Father, at this point, have a problem with TRUTH.
The SSPX holds itself as the golden standard bearer of Catholicism and THEY ARE NOT CATHOLIC.
They need to submit to the Pope and stop leading people out of the Church. Period.
And you need to stop sympathizing with this group … they are leading people out of the Church.
Atleast with the indolent bishops you speak of have not broken communion with Roman Pontiff. This is perhaps all that can be said in their defence. But in that, they do one good thing. So stop calling them Hitler or Stalin because they do have at least one good thing going for them.