The arguments that BXVI did not resign and that Francis was for one reason or another not elected are themselves invalid.

@Dr Bobus You are incorrectly suggesting BXVI resigned the Office of the Papacy, (Munus) rather than the Ministerium (Functions of that office). The two terms are distinctly different and mutually exclusive of each other. Any conclave convened prior to the death of a reigning Pontiff while still in office is invalid. This was further evidenced by BXVI continuing to wear the Papal attire prior to his death.

We can respect the Office of the Papacy, but the person occupying that position may or may not be the most apt appointee. >

If any of the cardinals listed other than Muller is elected the next Pope, then indeed "the gates of hell WILL have prevailed." Because there is almost nothing left of the Roman Catholic Church after 10 years of apostate Pope Francis ( who held a secrete meeting with NWO promoters Clinton and Soros this week...so secrete that it was not reported by the Vatican). If we get a Pope similar in any way to Francis, or any much worse, like Tucho Fernandez, Hollerich, etc. then we can say that the Lord is no longer with THAT church, or THAT particular new Pope, but only where the traditional Church (sede-vacantist or not) with the Roman Latin Mass. At that point, it would e a good idea to find a traditional and valid bishop who is admired and loved, declare him the actual Succesor of Peter, Vicar of Christ, and establish/build a new city of Rome and Vatican.
Traditional Catholic groups are already discussing such a thing if we get a new Pope the same as or worse than Francis. It will be "Operation Survival of the Church", not "Operation Obey and pray "

@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori If you believe any of that hellish vomit you’ve written then you are utterly deranged…mentally sick and spiritually decrepit. God CANNOT lie. His Church is indefectible. By His own Word she is INVINCIBLE. She always has been and she always will be, regardless of any and all circumstances, or what you may hear, see or believe. So stop with all of your rabid-dog, foaming at the mouth, mad-raving blasphemy. It’s insanity. You only display the extreme depth of your degeneracy and the enormity of your blithering ignorance. You insult the very holiness of God and the integrity of Christ Himself with your insidious and incessant blathering. The Church may be battered, but she can never fail nor be defeated.

@SonoftheChurch -According to you if I read your post correctly, I (we, meaning all Catholics) have an obligation to believe that no matter how corrupt, degenerate, perverted the Catholic Church has become under Francis and his army of homosexual advisors and bishops, that it is still the Catholc Church, and that filth is still the Vicar of CHrist (even though he renounced the title). Sorry, I believe what several others here have also posted, and I have seen on other sites. I believe that Bergoglio is the "false prophet" as quoted in the prophect of the great Ven. Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen. I believe he is the one chosen by Satan to try to destroy the Church.....Bergoglio and his people.
But I also believe that Pope Francis and his people will fail in their mission. I believe that the Lord will send us a new Pope, who will be chosen to clean the Church of the filth and corruption of Bergoglio and his people. So try as he might to create a "new Synodal Church", Bergoglio will fail because those who stand with the Roman Catholic Church of tradition will build up the True Faith, and the "Gates of Hell" opened by Bergoglio upon his election in 2013 will not prevail.
Remember the two thunderbolts that struck St. Peter's the night Benedict XVI resigned? That wasn't God showing his displeasure....that was Satan, seizing the moment to his advantage, and picking his choice agent to begin the process to try to destroy the Church....Francis. But Satan and his agent, Francis and his army of perverts such as Tucho and Fr. Martin will fail.
Just as Benedict XVI said, they might try to destroy the Catholic Faith (Francis and company), but it will survive, even if only in small traditionalist outposts where the True Mass and Faith will be preserved, and when the Bergoglian "church" of Synodality fails, the Catholic Church will be back, with a Catholic pope and faithful ready to rebuild.

@SonoftheChurch -Secondly, I don't write (and I don't speak) with such insulting vitriolic comments as you do to me...and it's offensive. I would guess that rather, you are deranged with the angry way you write.

@Wilma Lopez He doesn't get to vote though.

What a surprise, that the number of personal appointments, hand picked and selected by apostate heretic, homosexual lover Pope Francis are ALL with the exception of Muller, of the same type. Personally, I couldn't care less about the Catholic Church if it turns into a "Synodal Church", and I certainly would not be a member of a Church that is open to and accepting of LGBTQ;s, TRANs, and other similarly identified.

@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori Ladaria and Ouellet aren't too bad either, he also appointed one of the few bishops opposed to the synodal path in Germany.
He appoints orthodox Germans but heretical Americans. He basically scathes the majority of bishops from both countries.

@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori Hi!! Kenjiro!!! I hope you had great Independence day.....you are 100% right!!! all Orthodox Catholic People must know about Bergoglio's truth....this horrible man shows...must destroying to our Orthodox teachings....and I read about horrible man...Archbishop Victor Fernandez's Interview...this horrible man said..I am not Sorros's kid...I love the Church..kkkkkk....but this man dose not saying about against to LGBT Ideologies!!! and idiscrimition Abortion!!!! if, if this man Leading to Doctrine of Faith...I am sure...we will see much horrible situation....I am very angry to so most Cardinals, Bishops!!!! they are silence!!! Eminence Cardinal Muller worry about him...and Excellency Bishop Strickland said about little about Fernandez...now....very small...if, if Lord will send to real Pope, Orthodox Pope...fast time....really hope all Orthodox Cardinals, Bishops are saying about against to him... I preparing...will going to Underground Church....I am sure..you and John will join Underground Church too....much thinking about Eminence Cardinal Ottaviani's Prayer...even though I have many sins..so many fault..but really hope Loyalty to our Lord Jesus Christ...Japan's Martyrs, Netherland and Korean Martyrs...all great Martyrs Saints..pray for us too....much, much hope....one more tell.....this horrible crazy old man can't going to Portugal, Mongolia, France....many talking sorry....Our Lord Sacred Heart of Jesus blessed always you and all your family, lovely people....Holy Mary, All Angels and Saints..pray for us..Amen...take care.....have a great day...always really happy..hear about your great opinion!! have a great weekend soon too!!^^

I was advised long ago to 'always leave the table when there is a stacked deck'.

@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori I am so happy to see you just saying you'll go sede-vacantist and not schismatic with the Greeks Kenjiro. Truly that's a consolation today.
But I believe the sede has probably been vacant since 31 december 2022. Now cardinals are waiting for Bergoglio to die and elect a legitimate Pope.

@John Fritz Logan - Yes, I decided to stay a Catholic, but in the sede-vacantist branch of the Church if this Synodal trash actually becomes a reality. Funny thing about the Greek Orthodox Church----afew weeks ago, I pulled into their parking lot to attend their Divine Liturgy, and everyone looked at me like I was a Martian, or a Leper. Obviously, I can't pass myself off as Greek. But the unwelcoming, strange stares I got made me skip out of their Liturgy in 5 minutes. I would never go to Protestant "churches anymore.
I agree with you that the Chair of St. Peter has been empty since Dec. 2022, Bergoglio NEVER having been legit. It would be great if Pope Francis went to his well deserved reward in a few months (not years!!!), and the Caridnals did an aboutface and picked someone totally the opposite to Francis, maybe a Benedict XVI clone, or even better...a Pius XII fan.

@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori Very good. Go for the remnant to avoid the ape of the church. I have indeed read that the Eastern orthodox too often are infected by natural nationalism over the universal faith. Something you don't see with ultra-Traditionalists, even though they have their extremists.
My mom believes Bergoglio will decline fast mid-way August and die befor 18 november. Likely in september, possible October and very slight cance early november. When the number of cardinal electors drops below 120 on 17 September she does not think there will be a new consistory.
We both think it is likely that Cardinal Erdo will be chosen then.

@John Fritz Logan - It would be great if Bergoglio could pass on before November, without a new consistory. He just called one last year....don't need another.
My Aunt and Uncle who is an MD, and cousins, flew in from L.A. for the 4th of July holidays. They arrived on the 30th of June, and are leavng tomorrow. The air traffic problems in the USA makes our country look like Nicaragua or El Salvador, 1,000+ flights cancelled last week. They usually had to only sit in the airport 30 min. before they could board their plane. Last week, they were sitting for 5 hours. Thank you Biden and homo Pete Buttigieg. I hope they have no problems tomorrow leaving from Philadelphia.
But my uncle said while we were talking on the weekend for me (and others expectantly waiting for Bergoglio to pass), not to get so agitated and excited over the prospect of Pope Francis dying. He understands the sentiment, and he doesn't like him either, but it's not healthy. But he did say that Bergoglio looks bad. He's not sure if he actually has cancer. He would be more inclined to say he has diverticulitis with possible pancreas inflammation as well( not pancreatic cancer). Therefore his diet is very restricted...no gluten, no spicy food. If the gastro-enteritis/diverticulitis is bad enough, Bergoglio should only eat strained food (baby food). No bread or dairy products unless gluten free. He said he expects multiple health issues for Bergoglio, and flying to Mongolia could cause serious issues. I asked him how long he thinks Bergoglio will live. My uncle said he suspects not more than 9 months-1 year. He laughed when I said "That's too long"

Christ said where two or three are gathered in my Name ,I am there with them.During religious persecution Mass was celebrated in fields and homes secretly.

@John Fritz Logan Hi!! John!! how are you???? long time no see.....even though we don't have many talking...but I always thinking our great talk...always hope you and all your family, lovely people are always happy, healthy....I hope tell something you too....I read about horrible man...Archbishop Victor Fernandez's Interview...this horrible man said..I am not Sorros's kid...I love the Church..kkkkkk....but this man dose not saying about against to LGBT Ideologies!!! and idiscrimition Abortion!!!! if, if this man Leading to Doctrine of Faith...I am sure...we will see much horrible situation....I am very angry to so most Cardinals, Bishops!!!! they are silence!!! Eminence Cardinal Muller worry about him...and Excellency Bishop Strickland said about little about Fernandez...now....very small...if, if Lord will send to real Pope, Orthodox Pope...fast time....really hope all Orthodox Cardinals, Bishops are saying about against to him... I preparing...will going to Underground Church....I am sure..you and Kenjiro will join Underground Church too....much thinking about Eminence Cardinal Ottaviani's Prayer...even though I have many sins..so many fault..but really hope Loyalty to our Lord Jesus Christ...Netherland's Martyrs, Japan and Korean Martyrs...all great Martyrs Saints..pray for us too....much, much hope....one more tell.....this horrible crazy old man can't going to Portugal, Mongolia, France....many talking sorry....John..Our Lord Sacred Heart of Jesus blessed always you and all your family, lovely people....Holy Mary, All Angels and Saints..pray for us..Amen...take care.....have a great day...always really happy..hear about your great opinion!! have a great weekend soon too!!^^

@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori Hi!! Kenjiro!!! I hope you had great day....do you think Bergoglio will gone??? I really hope it...and I told you many times...I can't pray for Bergoglio! it's so so stupid Prayer!!! instead..please Lord send us to real Pope, Orthodox Pope...Fast time..... I preparing...will going to Underground Church....I am sure..you and John will join Underground Church too....much thinking about Eminence Cardinal Ottaviani's Prayer...even though I have many sins..so many fault..but really hope Loyalty to our Lord Jesus Christ...Japan's Martyrs, Netherland and Korean Martyrs...all great Martyrs Saints..pray for us too....much, much hope....Bergoglio appopinted so many wrong groups to this horrible Synod......I am sure...i,f if we can't stop to this wrong Synod..Holy Catholic Church will must changing..another new Religion!!!! so horrible....minence Cardinal Burke said...he always pray to the Lord...please can't open to this wrong Synod...I join to his prayer too...I think you and all Orthodox Catholic, Christian People too!!!.we must saying about Tyrant's Abdication of Bergoglio!!!! it's so hard..I well know....but we must have this duty!!! Orthodox Cardinals, Bishops are must do that!!! this time...yes...we can possible...can't see to Lord's have get victory...but we believe..Lord light must have win....and we can pray to the Lord!!!! please give to us real Victory...many talking sorry...Our Lord Sacred Heart of Jesus blessed always you and all your family, lovely people....Holy Mary, All Angels and Saints..pray for us..Amen...take care.....have a great day...always really happy..hear about your great opinion!! have a great weekend....really hope don't see anymore to this Devil Pope....this horrible man's time will much longer...we will have much huge damages...so terrible!!

@Clement Jaeho Chung Hi Clements, I have been very busy balancing a difficult new job while also being sick. I am really tired. I hope you're doing better. I also pray for an orthodox Pope.
While Bergoglio remains in office I want to do what I can to defend the faith from being undermined. I am planning a petition to urge bishops to ask Fernandez to unambigiously affirm the CDF 2021 responsum rejecting any blessing of same sex unions.