I've noticed your qualifications increase in direct proportion to the weakness of your position. :)
Not heresy but "doctrinal" heresy. Not any matter, but a "serious" matter. Not just a serious matter, but also one on "faith and morals". Not any pontiff but a "sitting" pontiff.
Happily the standards for heresy, "doctrinal heresy" included, are much lower than the bars you arbitrarily try to set when your ears get pinned.
Further, all the "pontiffs" I mentioned are relevant, not just "sitting" ones. Every bishop and cardinal alive today owes their career to at least one of those men. Pope Francis elevated John Paul II and John XXIII to sainthood, which raises all sorts of tangential issues of legitimacy.
"I am not interested in your cut and paste lists because they are not an argument from you."
Oh? So you would like an argument from me, would you?
How nice. I've presented this one several times already and still you keep ducking it.
My argument is one of canonical uniformity: Canon Law and Church Magisterium are constant and apply to all Popes, not simply the one you dislike..
If you wish to indict Francis of heresy, then you must also indict the last four popes (Benedict XVI included) on the same charge. If you wish to invalidate Francis' papacy on grounds of heresy and automatic self-excommunication, then you must also invalidate the last four popes as well... including Benedict XVI.
Or, you can acknowledge that all these "popes" are, in fact, valid Popes (past and present) on no other basis than God has allowed them to hold the title uncontested by Him, regardless of how supposedly fraudulent or invalid someone (you or anyone else) may believe the claim. You finger-wag at Francis and prattle on about heresy. Others do the same at his four predecessors.
My "cut and paste lists" as you like to call them, aren't my argument, Thor.
They're evidence in support of my argument. Specifically, they support my argument's premise: ALL of these popes can be considered guilty of heresy by referencing some point of Canon Law or Church Magisterium. ALL have advanced heretical doctrines.
Examples of these have already been researched and compiled by others. I freely admit that. As I said, that's the whole point of scholarship.
To successfully refute my argument, you must disprove my evidence. Because I know what I'm doing, I constructed my argument in a way you must disprove ALL the evidence for ALL the popes I mentioned.
...and you can't do that. You know it and I know it.
Demanding that I re-word other scholars' research as though it were my own doesn't disprove the evidence they have already compiled.
I"m well aware how badly you want to shift the burden of proof and turn this into a fierce debate over "one" doctrinal heresy.
Unfortunately for you, my argument isn't based on -one- accusation of heresy. My argument is based on numerous instances of heresy committed by all four of the previous popes.
For me to support my argument, naturally I need a great deal of evidence, hence the "endless lists" compiled by others.
My evidence, which I've linked, is an "endless list" of sites presenting numerous instances of heresy, over half a century's worth, contrasted with the canon laws and church teachings broken.
If I post a dozen sources of evidence in support of my argument, and each of those sources provides a half-dozen or more examples, I don't have to re-write and re-discuss each and every last one simply because you loudly demand it.
That isn't how rational debate works and you well know it. This is simply a bad-faith deflection because you can not or will not do what is required to validly refute the evidence presented.
Derisively calling it a "cut and paste list" is a weak ad hominem against the material, but it doesn't refute the evidence of heresy on those "lists". It just shows how increasingly desperate you are to avoid doing so.
You asked for an argument from me and I have presented one. My argument is based on the sum total of evidence, not on any "one" individual instance.
Conversely, you must refute ALL the evidence for ALL the popes mentioned and I don't envy you the task. :D
So long as one example of heresy remains unrefuted for each of the four popes preceding Pope Francis, my argument stands.