Sedevacantist Consecration with John Paul II Music

Why would they be anything but positive? This is the True Mass, This is True Catholicism. Francis and his Vatican are Homo loving Heretics. Catholics who know all that, see all that, and yet say "Yes, Holy Father, Whatever you say is right, Holy Father Francis". are brainwashed robots, and are being led into heresy themselves. Catholics who still cling to the notion of the "Holy Father", GROW UP!! Francis is nothing of the kind.

The problem here is that "Bishop" Sanborn's episcopal consecration is highly suspect, as the original Thuc "consecrations," from which Father Sanborn's alleged consecration derives, are very much in question.

In fact, they were so much in question that, years ago, Father Sanborn himself did not believe they were valid.

Father's claim to be a bishop is dubious at best, and its authenticity cannot be demonstrated; therefore, there is no way to ascertain the validity of his consecrations. He is, however, a valid priest.

Father Cekada stated that he and Father Sanborn spent 1000 hours trying to determine whether the Thuc consecrations, which were secretive, were valid.

Thuc unfortunately became involved with the Palmar da Troya fiasco, which may have been authentic in the beginning but was usurped by some obviously very unstable people, with Clemente being the major one.

Most of the people who post here are young, so they did not experience what was happening in the traditional Catholic movement in the early years. I'm not young, lived through the changes, and have familiarity with what was going on, as I witnessed some of it firsthand and met some of the main actors. (I met Father Sanborn not too long after he was ordained in the mid 70s.)

The fact that something has the appearance of holiness, and amasses followers, does not make it holy, as I'm certain you realize. Nor does the mere appearance of holiness evidence validity.

Check out the link:

The Apostles of Infinite Love – Magnificat

Then do a google search to find out the history involved.

It is true that a priest consecrated as a bishop by Archbishop Thuc would be validly consecrated, but that begs the question: Did he actually consecrate bishops? How would a person determine whether he actually did?

That's the very matter in contention.

On this particular "Thuc line," no one can demonstrate the issue with any certainty at all, as everything was purportedly done in secret and there were less than 6 people who made the initial allegation (they are all now deceased).

The SSPX never had anything to do with the so called "Thuc line" bishops, as the SSPX believed their validity to be doubtful at best, assuming they even actually took place.

Father Sanborn himself held that position for years.

Contrast that with the episcopal consecrations conducted by Archbishop Lefebvre: done out in the open air, filmed on television, with thousands of people present, another bishop involved, and dozens of other clergy in attendance.

(2) Archbishop Lefebvre Consecration Sermon June 1988 - YouTube

I could never base my salvation simply on the word of two laymen who produced a couple of alleged photos and wrote on them.

What does that prove?

And although Father Sanborn is a valid priest (as I stated, I first met him in the 70's before the "Northeast Nine" episode), I would not consider him a bishop. Ditto for Father Dolan, now deceased. Same for Father Kelly and the dozens of other, what at one time were called "garage bishops" (as in, a bishop in every garage) due to the fact that so many of them were being "consecrated" in the so called Thuc line.

There are hundreds of bishops who were allegedly consecrated by Clemente Dominguez, who ostensibly ended up as the first pope without eyes. He has had several successors.

Archbishop Thuc was at one time involved with this group.

Iglesia Catolica Palmariana (palmarianchurch.org)

Same for Mr. Schuckardt, whose group I came in contact with in the late 70s.

Frankly, I don't know why anyone would entrust their salvation to any of these fringe groups. It is unfortunate that "the Nine" could not remain in the SSPX. As time goes on, their claims to validity become more dubious, and their numbers dwindle to insignificance.

so, you find the SSPX to be a valid traditional society though
they recognize Vatican II popes and claim union with them
all the while resisting their authority. is that right? how does that work?
and concerning the Thuc line bishops....have you read the open letter to Kelly written by Mario Dirkson? He not only
refutes the idea that the Thuc line is invalid but actually
destroys it. No intellectually honest Catholic could read it
and find otherwise. I suggest you and all who are truly seeking justice concerning Thuc take the time to read it.
It’s lengthy but extremely well presented. Don’t scan, read
it along with all the footnotes. It will take you awhile but
it will be worth it. Find it here: Open Letter to Bp. Clarence Kelly on the Thuc Bishops

Dear Laura... I agree with you 100%... There will come a time when we will once again be One! As a priest I am also torn and wonder like you do, but I truly believe that in time and only God know when, there will be a truly "Holy Father" that will bring all of these Traditional Fractions into one fold. I will take a strong man to be able to put a stop to all of the smoke of Satan that has been brought into the Church before the Second Vatican Council and now after the Council not only the Smoke of Satan, but Satan himself. What the men of Rome are doing now is purely Diabolical, but have faith and trust in Holy Mother the Church. Christ will not let His Bride be destroyed completely. There will come a time and it is slowly approaching that we will have to go underground, yet that time underground will prepare us for what will follow.
I guess enough of my preaching :)! All we can do is to pray asking God to continue to strengthen us, through the Holy Rosary beg Our Blessed Mother to keep us faithful, to stand up for the Truth and let God take care of the rest.
God bless you and you and many others like you are remembered in my prayers and Holy Masses.