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Confirmed: President Obama to speak again at Al Smith fundraiser for NY Catholic Charities

by John-Henry Westen
Tue Jul 31 4:06 PM EST

NEW YORK, July 31, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Although controversy dogged his first appearance at the charity’s annual fundraiser in 2008 alongside Sen. John McCain, Catholic Charities has again extended an invitation to President Obama to speak at this year’s event.

Meghan Myers, the Executive Director of the annual fundraiser, told LifeSiteNews today that U.S. President Barack Obama has accepted the invitation to speak at the charity’s Al Smith Dinner in October.

The annual fundraiser has traditionally featured the presidential candidates from each party during an election year. No word yet on whether Mitt Romney will attend.

While the event typically takes a lighter tone, with the presidential candidates roasting each other in humorous speeches, this year’s event comes at an especially awkward time, with the U.S. bishops having recently concluded their “Fortnight for Freedom” - a response to the Obama administration’s HHS mandate that will force employers, including many religious employers, to include contraception, sterilization and abortifacient drugs in their health plans. That mandate, as well as other attacks on religious freedom coming from the Obama administration, have been condemned in the strongest terms by many of the country’s bishops and religious leaders.

Another major conflict with Catholics and other Christians developed when the president began to actively oppose the Defense of Marriage Act last year; he has also just recently announced his support for same-sex “marriage.”

The Al Smith dinner also comes a little over three years after 83 U.S. bishops publicly opposed the invitation and award given to President Obama by Notre Dame because of the president’s pro-abortion record.

When asked if consideration was given to the Obama administration’s recent attacks on religious freedom, particularly Catholicism, in inviting the president, Myers replied that she could not comment on the invitation since she did not extend it. Obama was invited, she said, by New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan.

The White House did not return calls for comment by press time.
Joe Zwilling, Director of the Office of Communications at the archdiocese of New York, told LifeSiteNews that he had not heard that the invitation had gone out, nor that it had been accepted.
The appearance of Obama at the Al Smith Dinner in 2008 caused considerable controversy. At the time some pro-life leaders questioned the appearance in light of a 2004 policy of the U.S. bishops regarding politicians who “act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles.”

In ‘Catholics in Political Life’, the U.S. bishops said: “The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions.”

The idea of cancelling the traditional appearance of the presidential candidates is not without precedent. On two occasions since 1960 the presidential candidates were not invited by the Archdiocese of New York to the dinner - in 1996 (Cardinal John O’Connor), when strongly pro-abortion Bill Clinton was a candidate, and in 2004 (Cardinal Egan), during the candidacy of also strongly pro-abortion Democrat John Kerry.

Obama is often referred to as “the abortion president” because of his record that is viewed by pro-life leaders to be the most extreme in U.S. history.

Deal Hudson, a well-known Catholic political activist and author of “Onward, Christian Soldiers: The Growing Political Power of Catholics and Evangelicals” in the United States opined after Obama’s 2008 appearance:

What are we doing here? If abortion really is what we say it is—the gruesome murder of unborn children—do our actions reflect that belief? And if those who support abortion are guilty of facilitating such a horror, how should we respond to them?

If this were 1855, would we be inviting pro-slavery politicians to take a break from a hard fought race, and share a laugh and a meal? As one who finds courage and inspiration in the example of the Radical Republican abolitionists, I just can’t imagine it.

But isn’t that what we’re doing today? I know that wasn’t Cardinal Egan’s intention—of course not. (I also recognize that I’m raising these concerns after the fact.) However, in today’s media driven society, images matter. The sight of Obama and the cardinal palling around sends the message—whether intentional or not—that the pro-choice senator is fine in Egan’s eyes.

Obama’s appearance at this year’s fundraiser would be no less contentious. Michael Hichborn of American Life League told LifeSiteNews, “Regardless of what they’ve done in the past, it is unthinkable for a Catholic charity to invite the man seeking the destruction of religious freedom in America to a fund raising event.“Hichborn added: “This sends the wrong message to pew-sitting Catholics, who are anxiously looking to our bishops to stand up and fight against this clear enemy of the Church who will be joining them for dinner. The Apostle Paul said it best in his second letter to the Corinthians: ‘Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?’”

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Fidelium
Three's the charm to that Sicilian Message!
Holy Cannoli
Socrates writes:

...detraction and insults are a shameful and hateful thing to do

and in the very same sentence, the plagiarist / Guardian of Illegals 'brilliantly and charitably' concludes:

you have no charity.

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Ben Martin
Good company:

Niccolo Machiavelli wrote that "the ends justify the means".

Leon Trotsky
A means can be justified only by its end. But the end in its turn needs to be justified. (Also quoted as "The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end.")
Their Morals and Ours (1938)
Ben Martin
Come on Greg---what else is there to say to a man that is crazy enough to think that taking blood money is ok as long you give to the poor--you loose all creditablity and respect. So one has only one to blame.

You still have not prove that end can justify the means--for the Catholic faith say it cannot.
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Ben Martin
Now I understand Greg if you are "Illegal alien" --you think you are entitle to something and logic and justices have no meaning.

We will pray for you. 🤗
Ben Martin
Greg you must be a very lonely man or not all your marbles are together. For no one can be this stupid---you just want attention.

Your pride is so full that you cannot conceded when logics got you beat and cornered—this is worst PRIDE---you are self-abusing yourself.

Now I know why you have been banned several times from posting---I think you should seek help or find a hobby and get off the …More
Greg you must be a very lonely man or not all your marbles are together. For no one can be this stupid---you just want attention.

Your pride is so full that you cannot conceded when logics got you beat and cornered—this is worst PRIDE---you are self-abusing yourself.

Now I know why you have been banned several times from posting---I think you should seek help or find a hobby and get off the internet--you’re an addicted---it only fuels your stupidity and dig in your heels to fuel your pride to serious sin.

Go worship with the Nazis and take their blood money and go help the poor and when Judgment Days comes we will see who is right---till then I agree with all others you are a nut. 🤦

Your prided is so fill one can't even speak to you with logic and truth---you need help
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lukedaniel
Ben...thanks for the petition! Illegal aliens love the baby killing Obama....as long as they get to live in our country and have Americans pay for their 'Free ride'.

Shake the dust off your feet with these Obama lovers, they're the ones contributing to the decay of this country. 🤦
Ben Martin
Join the petition to stop Greg's heroes from doing more damage to Christ and the Church.

www.change.org/petitions/cardinal-dolan-…
Ben Martin
Greg you really don’t know the Gospels do you?

Just kill some more babies so you can take the profits to feed the poor—do it year after year and be friends with those that do these evil acts and socialize as long as you get the blood money it ok for Greg----this is NOT Christ like---WAKE UP.

Why not --Allow evil to flourish so we can take their money to do charity work---is not what any the …
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Greg you really don’t know the Gospels do you?

Just kill some more babies so you can take the profits to feed the poor—do it year after year and be friends with those that do these evil acts and socialize as long as you get the blood money it ok for Greg----this is NOT Christ like---WAKE UP.

Why not --Allow evil to flourish so we can take their money to do charity work---is not what any the saints said or did.

How does a liberal like you get such wacked out views?


Christ did not ask Judas to do what he did, He prayed for him. Christ did not take the 30 pieces of silver or even ask for it---with your mind Christ should have and then used it to feed the poor---but He didn’t---He said the man that betrays him for money (money that you want Dolan to collect) it would be better that he was never born---what did Judas do---hung himself and probably in Hell. So Christ did not ask Judas or other criminal to give Him money so he can do Charity—not once did he do so.

But if evil is done—make good out of it—but be not part of it or watch it happen in progress or hope for money from their ongoing evil in the present. This is not case here---these men are using their money to whitewash it, buy votes, to take the evil imagine off their faces, to control and manipulated people---but most importantly it is come from a evil force in the present with a ongoing evil agenda---kill babies to feed the poor is Greg’s slogan

Greg---call for us to have the Nazi kill all the Jews and take their money and then ask those same Nazis to come to dinner and then use their donation for Charity and be friends with the Nazi’s and do it year after year-----YOU are insane---you need help –What church you belong to Church of Satan?
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Ben...Why waste your time with him...not worth it!
Ben Martin
Boy Greg you can ramble on and say nothing—for you think if you can just put a few Bible quotes out and hope something will stick it will make you look smart—we all can see through that you have empty argument and it does not stand with the Church. You changed the topic off the discussion several time to who know what.

It a simple problem---Your man Dolan is taking blood money from some of the …More
Boy Greg you can ramble on and say nothing—for you think if you can just put a few Bible quotes out and hope something will stick it will make you look smart—we all can see through that you have empty argument and it does not stand with the Church. You changed the topic off the discussion several time to who know what.

It a simple problem---Your man Dolan is taking blood money from some of the most wicked men in America and you think it is moral to take this money and use it for "charity". Fund raising tactics of Saul Alinsky and his goal were to destroy the Church. You’re in favor of this

All that is taught by Christ says you are wrong---you are modernist liberal.
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Ben Martin
Greg you sound like commie Saul Alinsky-- Obama loves Saul too—no wonder you are defending your leader's philosophy

Thus, as Saul Alinsky wrote book Rules for Radicals, “Means and ends are so qualitatively interrelated that the true question has never been the proverbial one, ‘Does the End justify the Means?’ but always has been ‘Does this particular end justify this particular means?” (p. …More
Greg you sound like commie Saul Alinsky-- Obama loves Saul too—no wonder you are defending your leader's philosophy

Thus, as Saul Alinsky wrote book Rules for Radicals, “Means and ends are so qualitatively interrelated that the true question has never been the proverbial one, ‘Does the End justify the Means?’ but always has been ‘Does this particular end justify this particular means?” (p. 47; this is the final paragraph of the chapter titled “Of Means and Ends”).

So you are in good company with a man that hated the Catholic Church---he worked very closely to destroy the Church using "CHARITY" as it vehicle. So this same fund raiser (Al Smith) was the work of SAUL promotion and working with radical Catholics---do not be fool by Satan Greg---you are not in line with Church teaching or Christ.

Making a fool of yourself and sinning in the process.
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Obama's Alinksy Paid Public Homage to Lucifer

www.cfnews.org/Alinksy-Lucifer.htm
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Ben Martin
Greg your taking the words of Christ out of context and twisting them--how wicked

Clearly they do not apply in this situation. It is time to give up out of respect for Christ

Better a milestone be hung around your neck than to cause scandal to these little ones---with blood money and money from baby killers.

It make the money ok in your mind if it was white washed---look at the source of the "…More
Greg your taking the words of Christ out of context and twisting them--how wicked

Clearly they do not apply in this situation. It is time to give up out of respect for Christ

Better a milestone be hung around your neck than to cause scandal to these little ones---with blood money and money from baby killers.

It make the money ok in your mind if it was white washed---look at the source of the "charity" it is from evil men pockets. It is evil
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Good for Fr. Pavone...for some, being 'catholic' is to accept the modern heretical beliefs and behaviors of many clergy..even the hand waving, fainting, squealing charismatic promoters. With these people there is nothing you can discuss intelligently, they just don't 'get it'.
Ben Martin
Greg---I thought you are smarter than believing those liberal lies that seduce people to think their way—you are a easy sell---anything these modernist heretics say you will defend—That is not Christ like—Holy or Catholic---but you are giving in to the world and modernism.

Boy your sucker for any fool that say it is “Charity” or it is “Catholic”. Basic moral theology and one’s own conscience …More
Greg---I thought you are smarter than believing those liberal lies that seduce people to think their way—you are a easy sell---anything these modernist heretics say you will defend—That is not Christ like—Holy or Catholic---but you are giving in to the world and modernism.

Boy your sucker for any fool that say it is “Charity” or it is “Catholic”. Basic moral theology and one’s own conscience says it wrong. (The ends never justify the means--never!)
You do not take money, sleep, eat, drink and be merry with the wick. It does make ok even if you are pretending you’re converting them or doing charity---that is not love of Christ.
For those throwing the party do not even stand up for the faith in these critical situation—It seem Dolan is conforming more to Obama’s ways than Obama his---scandal and sin is the result.

What does it mean to be Catholic to you---just having a fund raising dinners—with murders and Catholic church haters and destroyers---somehow if you get money, money, money--$$$$---you can sell your soul and cause scandal that somehow justifies it---with your mentality no wonder why the modern Church is in such crisis and scandal. Look these modern bishops--that preach heresy and allow scandal and sin to grow under their reign --you are trusting their advice.

Greg---invite those Nazi to your garden parties and take their money and pretend you are doing God Will—when Satan is laughing to the bank.
The USCCB is so in bed with Government Funding---then complains that they want religious freedom as they nurse off the free money of the government—it does not work that way—you lay in bed with Caesar you became Caesar’s boy! They have successfully confused you enough that you will defend their evil and think you’re doing good---just as Christ Said would happen in the latter days---heed the warning.

For Greg, It is ok to have dinners with Hollywood Satanists, baby killers, children prostitution pimps, slave promoters, porno stars, Jew killers, politicians who are doing the will of Satan---if they give you money—MONEY—MONEY—yep $$$$---then it is ok—you can lie to yourself that you are trying to convert them----but get that $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. There are better ways of converting people and fund raising than having scandalous party with them.

But hey I am Catholic—it may be different for you modernist who have a history loving change and defending the undefendable.

I am not alone:

The Rev. Frank Pavone, head of Priests for Life, a leading abortion opponent based in Staten Island, said Monday (Aug. 6) that "the polite putting aside of differences for a while amounts to scandal."

"There comes a time when enough is enough and we can no longer afford to give people a reason to doubt our position as a Church," Pavone wrote in an email. "So no, I don't think the invitation is appropriate at this time."

"Better to cancel the event than have it become another cause for scandal in the Catholic Church," Randy Engel, head of the U.S. Coalition for Life, told LifeNews.com, an anti-abortion website
lukedaniel
@ben...ditto!
Ben Martin
Christ sat with the sinners to teach and guide and for them to change their ways and hope of their salvation ---not for them to give Him money---Blood Money is a sin.

Christ did not do things for political gain or front page news or false charity.

These men are taking the money of evil men and cloaking it with Charity ---that is evil and false charity.

Hitler is a prefect example---would the …More
Christ sat with the sinners to teach and guide and for them to change their ways and hope of their salvation ---not for them to give Him money---Blood Money is a sin.

Christ did not do things for political gain or front page news or false charity.

These men are taking the money of evil men and cloaking it with Charity ---that is evil and false charity.

Hitler is a prefect example---would the Jews have a charity dinner with a Nazi??--if they could feed the poor with the money gained---I think not 🤦 What is wrong with you
lukedaniel
Ben.. 👍