@Ludovic Denim Thanks Ludovic. We are told it isn't necessary to believe in the apparitions per-se but accept and live the Holy Virgins Messages for the World. Seen in their proper context, the Messages given by the Holy Virgin for the world at Garabandal mirror those of Fatima -- of this, there can be no doubt. What is also certain is that there is an element of HOPE in all of this; -- the punishment / chastisement CAN BE AVERTED. The means to do so are contained in the MESSAGES. That is why promotion of the Messages above all else, is so vitally important. Linked into this is the extraordinary content of the nota issued by Bishop Aldazabal, who obviously referring to the Messages from the Mother of God, had to declare: "... no grounds for ecclesiastical condemnation..."
Proof of the supernatural aspect will occur by the fulfillment of the major prophecies after which the Church will issue its final determination. Meantime Live the Messages and encourage others to do so before its too late.

@samtheman Thanks Sam for your comment. Despite the confusion and chaos everywhere I prefer to maintain an optimistic outlook about the future; confident in the fulfillment of the Holy Virgins Prophecies. My prime focus is therefore Garabandal and the Virgins important Messages for the World. I purposely avoid mixing apparitions for the very reason of adding more confusion to an already chaotic situation.
For your interest, I do not perceive the untimely death of Joey Lomangino (whom I have met and dialoged extensively with on two occasions), as a major obstacle to the acceptance of the events of Garabandal as credible.
Here's why: GARABANDAL and JOSEPH LOMANGINO’S NEW EYES – an opinion.

No Sam. I’ve been actively promoting the Holy Virgins Messages for over 40 years including as a member of the Worldwide Garabandal Apostolate until the death of its founder in 2014. I have met and dialogued extensively with the worlds leading experts on Garabandal including Joey Lomangino; Fr Francois Turner O.P. and Fr Francis A Benac S.J. I’ve also conducted meetings on Garabandal and briefly met two of the visionaries when they last visited Australia. More recently I stayed in Garabandal for sixteen days.

Live Mike has a specialist interest in Fatima and other Marian Apparitions. We differ on matters of interpretation whereas for example, I hold to the position of the bishop of Fatima’s declaration [1] that Garabandal is the updated version of Fatima for our times and therefore of higher priority – hence the relevance of the Holy Virgins Messages to the current crisis in the world and the Church. Accordingly I do not share his predictions of a World War Three scenario [2] which contradicts visionary Conchita’s statement as told to her by her vision; namely that ‘there would not be a third world war’. This makes perfect sense given the promises of the Immaculate Heart of Mary including the consecration/conversion of Russia - or more succinctly: the destruction of civilization would = no Russia to convert.
It’s clear to me there exists a major difference of opinion between us and one of the reasons for my not mixing apparitions. To even suggest the destruction of three major US cities would somehow lead to any solution of the present crisis in the church and the world beggars belief. Should that happen, common sense tells us the nuclear fallout would end humanity as we now know it. To suggest otherwise is a classic example of ‘upside-down logic.
In my younger day that type of prediction was known as “MAD” ie; Mutually Assured Destruction.

Keep praying the Rosary for the return of the Virgin to come soon. What comes afterwards depends upon our response to the Garabandal Messages and the Worldwide Warning.

[1]The message of Fatima and Garabandal are the same. In the words of the late Bishop Joao Pereira, who was bishop in Fatima during the times of the apparitions in Garabandal, "The message of Fatima and Garabandal are the same, The message in Garabandal has just been updated for our times."
More here: Fatima and Garabandal, Our Lady's Message for us Today.

[2]Live Mikes reply to my recent post on November 2:...”don’t be surprised if one morning we learn that 3 major US cities have disappeared, while the rest of the country remained untouched by this type of weapon. So, yes, prudence dictates that one should always be spiritually prepared. However, telling the reader that there "will not be a another world war" could give one "a false sense of security" and given the present state of world is something to be avoided."
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Hi Sam. As indicated previously, my focus is on Garabandal. Statements by others that Garabandal is unapproved are incorrect and arise from a misinterpretation of successive declarations by the bishops. No amount of wishful thinking can change the phrase “Non-Constat” [uncertain] to “Constat de Non Supernaturalitate” meaning the apparitions are not of supernatural origin.
I was once asked why I promote Garabandal and not Akita nor other alleged Marian Apparitions. I replied: ‘Its important because Garabandal is the mechanism by which all previous concerns identified by the Mother of God are to be finally addressed. The relevance of Her Messages for the World, given the crisis we now find ourselves in, are beyond doubt. Garabandal is different from all previous Marian apparitions insofar, as it alone will prove its own authenticity by fulfillment of its own prophecies. In a remarkable way that protects it from false declarations by an Apostate Hierarchy’.

A Blessed and Holy Christmas to you and your loved ones.
Pax Vobiscum.

@samtheman Please provide Primary Source of where The Church has made an official and final determination to support your argument. Otherwise I respectfully suggest you accept the events as credible pending fulfillment of the major prophecies. Remember though its not necessary to even believe in the events per-se but Live the Virgins Messages, or to quote Pope John Paul II "Lets pray the Holy Virgins Messages find entrance into the hearts of those most in need of them before its too late". Finally there is a major difference between 'unapproved' and 'uncertain'. I accept the latter without qualification.

they made it by silence. It's been just how long now and absolute silence as far as anything resembling a yes since '61. ALL the bishops have spoken here by virtue of their collective silence in not approving it. Live mike had a problem with this as well, even suggesting the bishops were somehow dishonest. I replied: "you'll have to provide evidence that ALL the bishops were not being honest; that they had an agenda. " If you can provide that I will conclude then it was not investigated properly I will concede the issue. IF nothing has been found of anything supernatural by NOW ... it is not from heaven. Medjugorie has this same lack of credibility using this carrot and stick approach , with promises of a miracle and and a warning.

@samtheman Two brief comments in conclusion:
[1] Silence does not constitute an official and legally binding declaration by anyone. In fact, the longer the time interval between the release of the Holy Virgins Messages and the fulfillment of the prophecies; the greater the opportunity for sinners to amend their lives.
[2] Statements by the bishops affirming those of their predecessors are clearly intended as reminders to the faithful prior to a final decision by the Church.

Thank you for your interest.

The bishop of Santander, Manuel Sánchez Monge, has stated : “my position, like that of my predecessors, is that Rome’s assessment remains valid: ‘There are no signs of supernaturality.’” Pretty straight forward words here. Goes beyond silence doesn't it? The bishop has stated nothing of the supernatural order is to be found here but like the Medjugorje fraud, the vatican doesn't want dissuade devotees of their belief to be upset by making an official and final determination - 'waiting' for a warning and miracle , which catholics should not focus on ( protestant's version is the rapture) one should be prayerful in saving their souls.

Who can consecrate Russia now ? Or reveal the 3rd secret of Fatima ?

When times will get much, much more harder, then peoples will be totally lost with no Pope for doing these things.

This writer disagrees with Mr. Glenn Hudson regarding his opinion of a "world war" in relation to the Messages of Garabandal.

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You will recall the background and setting of the Cuban Missile Crisis from 16 October to 29 October 1962.
In 1962, when they were speaking of the threat of a war, Conchita mentioned this to the Virgin.
Conchita asked, “Will there be a war?”
The Virgin only answered her, “God does not want war for His children.” (Source 1)

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During the 1981 interview, Auxiliary Bishop Garmendia of New York asked Conchita these questions:
Bishop Garmendia: … Are there any other relationships between Rome, the Holy Father and the Miracle that you would like to talk about?
Conchita: Yes. The Virgin told us something related to the Holy Father, and it was that before the Miracle there would be only three more Popes.

Bishop Garmendia: I want this to be very clear to all who hear this tape. Conchita was very precise. The Virgin told you that before the Miracle…?
Conchita: At the time, Pope John XXIII was living. The Virgin said, "Three more Popes are left; there will be only three more Popes." She was then speaking about the end of the times. [Note: The Spanish expression "el final de los tiempos" is better understood in English as "The End Times"]

Bishop Garmendia: So the Virgin spoke to you about the end of the times?
Conchita: Yes.

Bishop Garmendia: So after John XXIII came Paul VI, John Paul I and then John Paul II. So look out, the noose is tightening! It's the Virgin who is speaking.
Conchita: The Virgin was talking about the end of the times. She also spoke to us about France. I don't know if you remember but it was being said that a world war would break out in 1962. At the time everyone was afraid including me. Then the Virgin appeared and addressing our concern said: "Don't be afraid, there will not be another world war." [Note: This should be understood only in the context of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis]

Bishop Garmendia: So she said there would not be another world war. There have been local conflagrations, and much has been said about a coming world war. The situation is very tense, but a world war would be the end of nations.
Conchita: I don't remember any more. [Note: This leaves open the real possibility of another world war in Europe. And most certainly the possibility of another major war.] (Source 2)

Source:
1) Father Eusebio Garcia de Pesquera, O.F.M., CAP., She went in haste to the Mountain, Translated from Spanish by B. Miller, Gerard Suel and Otto Miller Second English Edition of 1981 original translation published unaltered in one volume in 2003, p. 654

2) GARABANDAL JOURNAL, March-April 2004, Interview with Conchita González of Garabandal by Bishop Francisco Garmendia Ayestarán † (Auxiliary Bishop of New York, New York, USA) on 27 August 1981
Garabandal. Interview with Conchita. Bishop Garmendia (1981-08-27)
Bishop Francisco Garmendia Ayestarán [Catholic-Hierarchy]

Garabandal is not recognized by the Catholic Church and Mgr Lefebvre said that the 3rd WW began in 1960 when they launched the V2's council. This message contradicts Our Lady of Fatima that announced that many nations will be annihilated and showed the sun that fall on the ground like a nuclear bomb. She explained that Russia will spread its errors but also chastise all the nations.
One can see that the country with the most nuclear warheads is Russia, just before the US.

With all due respect to Mr. Glenn Hudson, his opinion & interpretation of the testimony of the seers of Garabandal is not the official Message of Garabandal. @Ludovic Denim For the record, I firmly believe in Our Lady of Fatima. Russia has already spread her errors throughout the world, including the USA and the Vatican City State. Russia will be the instrument of chastisement and many nations will be annihilated.

@samtheman
In recent news, "Envoy says Pope Francis wants to meet Russian Orthodox leader again" - 19 September 2023
Envoy says Pope Francis wants to meet Russian Orthodox leader again

Personally, I don't put much stock in the visit to Moscow because of the following reasons.

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A brief overview...
There is only one source of the attributed quote. The late German author, Albrecht Weber, who made this statement attributed to Conchita [not Conchita's mother & not Our Lady]: "The pope will go to Russia, to Moscow. As soon as he returns to the Vatican, hostilities will break out in different parts of Europe."

Yes, it is true that Mr. Weber confirmed Conchita’s statement several times.
Once to the recently deceased American editor of the Garabandal Journal, Barry Hanratty † 1938–2022. Mr. Hanratty reported that Mr. Weber stated, "Conchita said this in a long conversation at her house on 14 November 1965." [NOTE: That was the very day after the last Apparition in Garabandal on 13 November 1965.]
Also, Mr. Weber confirmed this to Argentine author, Santiago Lanus, and to a Frenchman named Alban aka "Aviso" who runs a Garabandal News Blog here below.

In Memory of Albrecht Weber/Online for all !
from Albrecht to Aviso ! about the Pope in Moscow soon online.

However, it is also true that the quote attributed to Conchita DOES NOT APPEAR in Weber’s book, "Garabandal - Der Zeigefinger Gottes" 1993, 2000.
For the record, I own the second edition and I've personally gone through the entire work at least 7 times and can assure you that the word "Moscow" appears nowhere. This was independently confirmed to be correct by a Brazilian Garabandalist and friend of Argentine author Santiago Lanus.

My unanswerable question: Why would Mr. Weber withhold such a unique and significant piece of information from his own publication? Why?!
Maybe Conchita asked him not to put it in his book out of a concern that it might be a source of confusion or doubt.
Or perhaps the quote was giving too much away. Or could it be that Conchita shared it with Weber confidentiality with the condition that it not be published.

@samtheman
Historical background regarding Joey Lomangino new eyes / seeing the Great Miracle...
One night Joey had a dream. In his dream he saw Our Lady and She made him an offer that if he prayed these prayers...this many times per day then come the day of the Miracle ...he would receive new eyes and be witness to the Miracle above the Pines. Sometime afterwards, Joey shared his dream with Conchita. Joey asked Conchita to get confirmation from Our Lady if his dream was real. Soon after Conchita confirmed that his dream was real.

Now, Joey died on 18 June 2014 (a significant date in the history of Garabandal; the date of the first apparition of St. Michael the Archangel and the date of the Last Message of Our Lady of Garabandal) so how can we explain this? How do we handle this difficulty? Because there is no denying that Joey’s death presents us with a difficulty.

As foundation it is good to recall... Joey was a wonderful promoter of what happened in Garabandal. Maybe Joey was one of the greatest promoters of Garabandal in history. He traveled the world for the propagation of the messages. However, let us remember that heroic though he was, Joey is NOT the Objective or the Purpose for Our Lady's appearance in Garabandal nor Her Messages. Nor was Joey one of the seers. But it is very important to remember his contribution in bringing credibility to Garabandal regarding the approval he received from St. Padre Pio.
Joey’s relationship with Padre Pio reinforces credibility and belief in Garabandal but Joey was never meant to take away from the overall.

The 9 Possible Explanations for Joey Lomangino’s death before the Miracle:

• In the Negative
1) It may have been a false locution. In other words what Conchita thought she heard or interpreted was in error.
2) Joey neglected / failed to pray the required prayers as part of the offer.
3) Joey could have been guilty of some sin which lost him the promised gift of God.
(eg – Moses never crossed the Jordan R.| or spreading a false message that Our Lady of Garabandal approved of Vatican II)
4) Perhaps, at 80 something years of age - instead of accepting that great grace - Joey offered the cumulative merit from decades of prayer for the conversion of sinners, the salvation of souls and the sanctification of priests thereby redirecting his gift toward others, giving it redemptive value.
5) Joey could have prayed to be taken ahead of time.

• In Part
6) Like Padre Pio Joey did see the Miracle before his death but this still doesn't account for the restoration of his eyes. Note: We have no confirmation from Joey’s wife nor his sons that this occurred as Joey wasn't very lucid during his final moments - drifting in an out of consciousness.
7) Perhaps Joey’s body will be exhumed after the Miracle and his eyes will be restored.

• In the Affirmative
8) Everything will happen as prophesied. Joey with new eyes will be physically present to witness the Miracle. His very presence will contribute to the Miracle.
9) God's ways are not are ways... it will happen in a way that you or I cannot comprehend or conceive.

Sam, there is something you need to think about that is connected to the evidence you require. Perhaps you were aware that Princess Cécile Marie of Bourbon-Parma (Countess of Poblet) accompanied Conchita to the Vatican in January 1966. Why did Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani, head of the Holy Office / CDF, use the Catholic aristocracy to convey his summons to Conchita González rather than going through the Apostolic Nunciature or the Diocese of Santander? How peculiar?! Could it be that Ottaviani already knew what he could expect from standard protocol / normal channels? Could it be that Ottaviani knew all too well the kind of reception he would have gotten if his request went through the Secretariat of State or the Bishop's Office of Santander? || Not all but some of the bishops might have had an agenda, most certainly. To understand why bishops behave the way that they do goes beyond the scope of our discussion. It is safe to say that bishops are very careful / cautious in words & deeds so as not to offend their predecessors... local / universal politics were definitely factors in how things played out in Santander.