"the quotes were used as a way of expressing sarcasm about the nonsensical controversy of who is in "Full Communion" and who is not."
That's how "fake quotes". So yeah, you did
use them @Ave Crux
."for example, the fact they have received faculties directly from the Pope to hear Confessions of "real live Catholics"; to absolve Catholics of sin and to preside at the Nuptial Masses of "real live Catholics"
Being granted limited faculties is not the same as having FULL faculties. SSPX-groupies love implying otherwise, though."so I disagree with the make-believe notion that they are "not in full Communion" with the Church....who made up that make-believe status anyway?"
Oh, I'm gonna enjoy
Historically, the Vatican decree "Unitatis Redintegratio"
stated, "large communities came to be separated from full communion with the Catholic Church. ...Men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect."
communion is, by definition, not full
. Strike One. :D
Saint John Paul II stated in his Apostolic Letter "Ecclesia Dei"
that Abp. Lefebvre "frustrated all the efforts made during the previous years to ensure the full communion with the Church."
Obviously, The Pope who excommunicated
Lefebvre understood the disctintion between "full communion with the Church" and the inverse. Strike Two. :D
So did Pope Benedict XVI. ;-)
in his motu proprio "Ecclesiae Unitate" he invited "the Bishops and the 'Society of St Pius X' to rediscover the path to full communion with the Church."
Notice: he invited them to rediscover
the path to full commuion. Meaning they are NOT in full communion with the Church. Strike Three and you're out. :D
Now it's time for batting practice. :D
His successor has confirmed this. Pope Francis, in his Apostolic Letter, "Misericordia Et Misera" wrote (while extending the faculty to absolve sin), "For the pastoral benefit of these faithful, and trusting in the good will of their priests to strive with God’s help for the recovery of full communion in the Catholic Church, I have personally decided to extend this faculty beyond the Jubilee Year."
When the current pontiff hopes SSPX priests will strive for "the recovery
of full communion in the Catholic Church" then he acknowledges they do NOT have full communion in the Catholic Church" right now
Is that "make-believe" enough for you, honey? ;-)"Where is the term "not in full Communion with the Church" defined in an explicit manner in Canon Law? It's not. It's made up."Wrong.
Canon 205 lays out the basic requirement for full communion. "Those baptised are in full communion with the catholic Church here on earth who are joined with Christ in his visible body, through the bonds of profession of faith, the sacraments and ecclesiastical governance."
Degrees of imperfec
t (i.e. not in full)
communion with the Catholic Church is expressly discussed in the Catechism Of The Catholic Church CCC 838."If that is not clear authorization to "exercise their ministry in a legitimate way", then what exactly is it?"
It's a stop-gap measure of convenience and misguided ecumenical outreach, two things for which Francis is notorious. It's "for the pastoral benefit of the faithful"
to quote the Pope. Granting SSPX priests the ability to perform some
faculties (but not all) is NOT allowing them to "exercise their ministry in a legitimate way".
What kind of two-bit, penny-ante "ministry" does a priest exercise when he's forbidden the full range of faculties and even then apply for special permission from the local Ordinary whose diocese they are in, even to exercise those
? That isn't a rhetroical question, as the SSPX currently show.
It's given Lefebvrists a way to shamelessly misuse Papal generosity to falsely legitimize themselves just the way you're doing right now."It's an absurd notion that completely disregards (blah...blah.. blah... hyperbole stacked on hyperbole)"
Unfortunately for you, the current status and exact limitations of the SSPX are clearly defined, even if they're extremely technical."We have been Traditionalist Catholics for 45 years."
Good for you. Fallacious appeal to authority, in this case your own."We had NO ONE....ABSOLUTELY NO ONE following Vatican II to give us the true Faith EXCEPT for SSPX and INDEPENDENT PRIESTS."
...because every priest that had been saying the Latin Mass instantly stopped
after Vatican II, amirite? Quit re-writing history."Canon Law itself says that "The highest law of the Church is the salvation of souls...."
First, you're not even citing the appropriate Canon number. facepalm.jpg
Second, that's typical of the way the SSPX slathers its "re-interpretation" of Church law over everything.
Activists could use your argument to justify the Church abandoning its laws on anything
, all in the name of "the salvation of souls"
. For a 45 year "Traditionalist Catholic" you sound a lot like Fr. James Martin SJ when he's pandering to perverts."and they obeyed God rather than man."
They obeyed their own interpretation
of "god" instead of God's Church whose lawful right it is to make
those interpretations. Practically speaking, the SSPX is no different than the German bishops and every yee-haw Lutheran today. They too "obey God rather than man"
Like so many idiots they claim they're obeying "god" to justify whatever fool notion pops into their head."SSPX Priests were the only ones who stood against the liberal Democrat Governors..."
Irrelevant to their status in the Church or the limitation of their faculties. Non Sequitur Fallacy."But the FSSP is under the foot of their modernist Bishops..."
That's how the chain of command works in the Church. It doesn't change just because some jumped-up archbishop decides he "listened to God rather than man"
and supposedly "god" told him the laws of the Church no longer applied to him anymore.
If you knew more about how the FSSP actually works, which you clearly do not, you'd realize exactly how skilled they are at obeying the letter of a diocesan decree while circumventing it in practice. They are superb
legalists who put me to shame."And one day Archbishop Lefebvre will be vindicated and canonized."
I'm sure there are Lutherans who say the same about their own excommunicated dimwit.
Next time you bring up that prediction, make sure to mention the obsese, little cherubs showering the both of them with rose petals on that glorious never to come day."than I saw the following article posted showing FSSP being expelled from their diocese by their Bishop. Exactly what I was saying..."
No, that isn't 'exactly' what you're saying at all
because no explanation has been given. Since you
don't know the reason, literally, you don't know what you're talking about.
...which, by now, is no surprise. ;-)