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Gloria.TV News on the 29th of September 2016
Undermining Morality: Last week The Remnant and Catholic Family News published a Liber of Accusation against Pope Francis. It points out that the moral calculus behind Amoris Laetitia undermines the whole moral order, not just sexual morality. Quote: “For the application of virtually any moral norm can be deemed ‘unfeasible’ by a talismanic invocation of ‘complex circumstances’ to be ‘discerned’ by a priest or bishop in ‘pastoral practice’ while the norm is piously defended as unchanged and unchangeable as a ‘general rule'."
At the same time the Liber points out that Pope Francis’ moral calculus does not apply to other sins he condemns while carefully observing the bounds of political correctness. Quote: “Nowhere, for example, do you indicate that ‘complex circumstances’ or ‘limitations that diminish responsibility and culpability’ would excuse the Mafiosi you have rhetorically ‘excommunicated’ en masse and warned of Hell, the rich you condemn as ‘bloodsuckers’ or the observant Catholics you ludicrously accuse of ‘the sin of divination’ and ‘the sin of idolatry’ because they will not accept ‘the surprises of God’—meaning your novelties.”
Amnesty for Sins of the Flesh Only: The Liber concludes that Pope Francis seems to have centered on declaring an amnesty for sins of the flesh only, the very sins that, as Our Lady of Fatima warned, send more souls to hell than any other. The Liber asks Pope Francis - quote - “What makes you think the moral genie you have let out of the bottle, which you call the 'God of surprises,' can be confined only to those moral precepts you deem overly rigid in application?”
Immense Harm: The Liber concludes that it is beyond reasonable dispute that Pope Francis' presence on the Chair of Peter represents a clear and present danger to the Church. Quote: “We call upon you to recant your errors and undo the immense harm you have caused to the Church."
Undermining Morality: Last week The Remnant and Catholic Family News published a Liber of Accusation against Pope Francis. It points out that the moral calculus behind Amoris Laetitia undermines the whole moral order, not just sexual morality. Quote: “For the application of virtually any moral norm can be deemed ‘unfeasible’ by a talismanic invocation of ‘complex circumstances’ to be ‘discerned’ by a priest or bishop in ‘pastoral practice’ while the norm is piously defended as unchanged and unchangeable as a ‘general rule'."
At the same time the Liber points out that Pope Francis’ moral calculus does not apply to other sins he condemns while carefully observing the bounds of political correctness. Quote: “Nowhere, for example, do you indicate that ‘complex circumstances’ or ‘limitations that diminish responsibility and culpability’ would excuse the Mafiosi you have rhetorically ‘excommunicated’ en masse and warned of Hell, the rich you condemn as ‘bloodsuckers’ or the observant Catholics you ludicrously accuse of ‘the sin of divination’ and ‘the sin of idolatry’ because they will not accept ‘the surprises of God’—meaning your novelties.”
Amnesty for Sins of the Flesh Only: The Liber concludes that Pope Francis seems to have centered on declaring an amnesty for sins of the flesh only, the very sins that, as Our Lady of Fatima warned, send more souls to hell than any other. The Liber asks Pope Francis - quote - “What makes you think the moral genie you have let out of the bottle, which you call the 'God of surprises,' can be confined only to those moral precepts you deem overly rigid in application?”
Immense Harm: The Liber concludes that it is beyond reasonable dispute that Pope Francis' presence on the Chair of Peter represents a clear and present danger to the Church. Quote: “We call upon you to recant your errors and undo the immense harm you have caused to the Church."
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The de fide teachings on morals was changed by Pope Francis. It is a doctrinal change approved by Card. Muller. Change in moral doctrine is opposed by some conservatives : change in salvation doctrine is approved by all
There was a campaign for many years by the Masons ( secret societies) to have the Eucharist given to the married and divorced. In Italy they even had public demonstrations. Satan …More
The de fide teachings on morals was changed by Pope Francis. It is a doctrinal change approved by Card. Muller. Change in moral doctrine is opposed by some conservatives : change in salvation doctrine is approved by all
There was a campaign for many years by the Masons ( secret societies) to have the Eucharist given to the married and divorced. In Italy they even had public demonstrations. Satan knows this was important.Similarly there was a campaign over centuries to consider 'the desire for baptism by a catechuman who dies before receiving it', also to be a baptism like the baptism of water.
Pope and saints with goodwill responded to this campaign.They said that a person could be saved with this desire, in a hypothetical case.
The campaign had its big success when the Baltimore Catechism first referred to a 'baptism of desire'.Then in 1949 Boston it was assumed that the baptism of desire referred to a known case, explicit like the baptism of water.So it became a practical exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The dogma was practically and theoretically eliminated There was a new doctrine on salvation.
CONSERVATIVES APPROVE NEW DOCTRINE
Conservative Catholics, approved this new doctrine.Until today they oppose giving the Eucharist to the married and divorced but they also affirm that not every ione in 2016 needs to be a formal member of the Church for salvation.
The mistake of assuming a hypothetical baptism of desire was practically known is now part of the text of Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14 etc) and the Prefect of the Congregation of the Faith Cardinal Muller approves this.He was always a liberal like the two popes.
All this was clear for Cardinal Kasper,who before the initial Synod on the Family said if ecclesiology can be changed( it was changed on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church) then why not can there be a change on giving the Eucharist to the married and divorced.
Pope Benedict always agreed with the liberals ( Masons) on this point.So he said in the Avvenire interview, that Vatican Council II has caused a 'development' ( rejection) of the dogma EENS according to the 16th century missionaries ( and Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Centers).NO ONE PROTESTED OR REASONED THIS OUT IN PUBLIC.
Even over the years too, when Wikipedia stated that LG 16 is an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS there never was a contradiction from the CDF. The Masons would object.
Pope Benedict, Cardinal Muller and Archbishop D i Noia among others at the CDF assured the Jewish Left rabbis there would be nothing in an agreement with the SSPX ( which was about to be recognised) to hamper Catholic Jewish (Left) relations.They were affirming politics instead of Catholic doctrine.
MULLER DOCTRINAL ERROR
Cardinal Muller who has issued a statement praising Amoris Laeitia (CNA/EWTN News report ) .1 He had always accepted that there were 'practical exceptions' to the traditional teaching on salvation.Now he has approved the 'practical exceptions' to the teachings on morals and has accepted a new moral theology.
Pastorally we cannot say that a particular person living in mortal sin will not go to Hell if he dies immediately. We humans cannot know. Pastorally we cannot say that a particular non Catholic will not go to Hell if he dies immediately. There is no way of knowing exceptions to mortal sin or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
APPROVES MARRIAGES BEING ANNULLED.
Similarly pastorally how can we say that a marriage should be annulled , since it was not a marriage in the first place? Yet Cardinal Muller approves of marriage annulments based on the new moral theology.
As for the “integration” of those who are divorced-and-remarried, Cardinal Müller said it is “essential that the word of God be proclaimed in the process … thus these baptized persons will shed light, little by little, on this second union that they have begun and in which they live.”
This could include the possibility of reviewing the nullity of their sacramental marriage, he said, and a possible “assumption of certain public ecclesial offices.” 2
How can we pastorally give a dispensation in an inter faith marriage as if we know of a case of salvation outside the Church and so the couple are not living in mortal sin? The liberal CDF has not objection.
A priest in the Confessional can grant absolution to a person in mortal sin but pastorally he cannot say that a person living in mortal sin has Sanctifying Grace.This would only be known to God.This is the point that Bishop Athanasius Schneider also seems to miss in his interpretation of Vatican Council II and in his comment on Amoris Leitizia(AL).He is affirming the liberal theology of Cardinal Muller and the two popes.
AL is based on their being known exceptions to the traditional teaching on mortal sin.This is the present mortal theology in Catholic universities and seminaries which is approved by Cardinal Muller.Subjectivism is official.
Father Matthias Gaudron, priest of the Society of St. Pius X, comments on the subjectivism of the post-synodal Apostolic Exhortation Amoris Laetitia released on April 8, 2016.
It is true that Catholic doctrine about marriage and all previous norms continue to remain in force, and therefore persons living in concubinage or with a civil union only are by the very fact forbidden to receive absolution or Holy Communion. But…there are exceptions!- Father Matthias Gaudron SSPX 3
Questioning Catholic Morality
We must, says the Pope, “avoid judgments which do not take into account the complexity of various situations” (¶304). General norms are of course very good, “but in their formulation they cannot provide absolutely for all particular situations.” That may be true of most human norms, but not of divine laws which decree that the conjugal act is permitted only to a man and a woman validly married, and that a consummated sacramental marriage cannot be dissolved by any authority on earth — not even by the Pope.These laws admit of no exceptions and are valid independent of any particular circumstance.- Father Matthias Gaudron
For Bishop Schneider too there are known exceptions to the traditional theology on morals and faith( salvation). He has accepted the new theology. The result is a new ecclesiology.His interpretation of Vatican Council II is based on known exceptions ( LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc.) to the dogma EENS.With the new ecclesiology he interprets Vatican Council II and finds it wanting.
Father Matthias Gaudron states:
These laws admit of no exceptions and are valid independent of any particular circumstance. The morality of an action is in part objective and thus does not depend merely on circumstances or the intention of the agent. Killing an innocent person, abusing a child, and calumniating someone are always and in every case wrong, and hence they cannot become morally good actions even if done with the best of intentions.
Bishop Schneider approves of 'known exceptions', 'subjectivism as objectivism' and 'situation ethics' as theories. He also believes they can be recognized and implemented in real life.This is magisterial according to the CDF.
There was no clear comment from the CDF Prefect on what Fr.Matthias Guadron says here.
If out of ignorance and having an erroneous conscience, a man thinks it is permissible to kill an innocent person in order to save another, or that it is permissible to calumniate an adversary in the interest of a worthy cause, subjectively he may perhaps not be guilty of the sin, but his action remains objectively evil.
So Vatican Council II's Lumen Gentium 16 would not only be hypothetical for him but also practically known in personal cases.So he would support Pope Benedict on EENS being a break with the 16th century Catholic Church.
AL(301) would not refer to theoretical moral possibilities but actual cases in which a judgment and exception can be made. This would be normal.
The liberals and Masons mix up what is unknown as being known. Then they create exceptions to the traditional teachings on faith and morals. Over time, the exceptions become the norm in the Catholic Church.
Pope Francis contradicts Veritatis Splendor.Amoris Laetitia was a break with Pope John Paul II. Even Fr. Matthias Gaudron notices it.
This has nothing at all to do with “thinking that everything is black and white” (¶305). One can very well sympathize with a woman driven into a new relationship because of the infidelity or callousness of her husband. In such a case one may admit that the guilt is lessened, but adultery is still an inherently evil act.
Annulments and dispensations have been mass produced to attack the family. AL too mixes up what is unknown as being known to create more sacrilege.Remember the Kennedy annulments.
Unknown cases in Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc. ) are presented as known and so the Council becomes a break with the dogma EENS. Since they are 'known' it is assumed there is salvation outside the Church. Since there is salvation outside the Church non Catholics are allowed to marry Catholics and it is not considered being in adultery. This is another attack on the family.The non Catholic spouse is assumed to be saved outside the Church. This is a magisterium-approved attack on the family but this is the reasoning that Bishop Schneider also uses to interpret Vatican Council II and Church documents.
It is the norm for him as in the rest of the Church, to mix up what is unknown as being known.
Why doesn't Bishop Schneider clearly say that there are no known exceptions to EENS in Vatican Council II? Subjective cases cannot be objective. We cannot know of anyone for example saved in imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3) or 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8).So UR 3 and LG 8 are irrelevant to traditional Catholic exclusivist ecclesiology. Why does he still interpret Vatican Council II like the Neo Catechumenale Way, Charismatic Renewal and the liberal Left?
Why does he not say that we can never know when a Catholic sacramental marriage was invalid at the outset? This is Protestantism.
How can the priest know when a divorced and remarried has Sanctifying Grace even though they are in mortal sin.? Why do ecclesiastics assume all this is possible? How does the bishop or a priest have the right to grant an annulment or dispensation, break a family and permit new marriages and possibilities for receiving the Eucharist without it being considered sacrilegious?.
How does a cardinal or bishop have the right to regularize an irregular (mortal sin) relationship by breaking a marriage? How can they break marriages or validate adulterous and heretical ones based on a rejection of the faith ( EENS) and moral( mortal sin/sacrilege) teachings of the Catholic Church? These are points which were not covered by Cardinal Muller (Oviedo, Spain, May 12, 2016,CNA/EWTN News).
He was not affirming the traditional de fide teachings on faith and morals but instead pleasing the Masons and the rest of the Jewish Left.
The de fide teachings on morals was changed by Pope Francis. It is a doctrinal change.
But now Pope Francis maintains that “it can no longer simply be said that all those in any ‘irregular’ situation are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace,” and that this is so not only through ignorance of the divine law, but also on account of the “great difficulty in understanding its [the rule’s] ‘inherent values.’” Someone could even “be in a concrete situation which does not allow him or her to act differently and decide otherwise without further sin” (¶301). Thus the Pope is declaring officially the possibility that someone in an objectively sinful relationship must remain in it so as not to commit yet another sin.- Father Matthias Gaudron
-Lionel Andrades
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MAY 13, 2016
Cardinal Gerhard Muller assumes there are practical exceptions to the Church's traditional teachings on morals and faith : overlooks this error in Amoris Laetitia
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/cardinal-gerhar…
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www.catholicnewsagency.com/…/mller-on-amoris…
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Amoris Laetitia:a Triumph of Subjectivism - Father Matthias Gaudron SSPX
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/amoris-laetitia…
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How easily annulments and dispensations are given and now Amoris Laetitia offers another Church-approved means to strike at the family
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/how-easily-annu…
There was a campaign for many years by the Masons ( secret societies) to have the Eucharist given to the married and divorced. In Italy they even had public demonstrations. Satan knows this was important.Similarly there was a campaign over centuries to consider 'the desire for baptism by a catechuman who dies before receiving it', also to be a baptism like the baptism of water.
Pope and saints with goodwill responded to this campaign.They said that a person could be saved with this desire, in a hypothetical case.
The campaign had its big success when the Baltimore Catechism first referred to a 'baptism of desire'.Then in 1949 Boston it was assumed that the baptism of desire referred to a known case, explicit like the baptism of water.So it became a practical exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The dogma was practically and theoretically eliminated There was a new doctrine on salvation.
CONSERVATIVES APPROVE NEW DOCTRINE
Conservative Catholics, approved this new doctrine.Until today they oppose giving the Eucharist to the married and divorced but they also affirm that not every ione in 2016 needs to be a formal member of the Church for salvation.
The mistake of assuming a hypothetical baptism of desire was practically known is now part of the text of Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14 etc) and the Prefect of the Congregation of the Faith Cardinal Muller approves this.He was always a liberal like the two popes.
All this was clear for Cardinal Kasper,who before the initial Synod on the Family said if ecclesiology can be changed( it was changed on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church) then why not can there be a change on giving the Eucharist to the married and divorced.
Pope Benedict always agreed with the liberals ( Masons) on this point.So he said in the Avvenire interview, that Vatican Council II has caused a 'development' ( rejection) of the dogma EENS according to the 16th century missionaries ( and Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Centers).NO ONE PROTESTED OR REASONED THIS OUT IN PUBLIC.
Even over the years too, when Wikipedia stated that LG 16 is an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS there never was a contradiction from the CDF. The Masons would object.
Pope Benedict, Cardinal Muller and Archbishop D i Noia among others at the CDF assured the Jewish Left rabbis there would be nothing in an agreement with the SSPX ( which was about to be recognised) to hamper Catholic Jewish (Left) relations.They were affirming politics instead of Catholic doctrine.
MULLER DOCTRINAL ERROR
Cardinal Muller who has issued a statement praising Amoris Laeitia (CNA/EWTN News report ) .1 He had always accepted that there were 'practical exceptions' to the traditional teaching on salvation.Now he has approved the 'practical exceptions' to the teachings on morals and has accepted a new moral theology.
Pastorally we cannot say that a particular person living in mortal sin will not go to Hell if he dies immediately. We humans cannot know. Pastorally we cannot say that a particular non Catholic will not go to Hell if he dies immediately. There is no way of knowing exceptions to mortal sin or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
APPROVES MARRIAGES BEING ANNULLED.
Similarly pastorally how can we say that a marriage should be annulled , since it was not a marriage in the first place? Yet Cardinal Muller approves of marriage annulments based on the new moral theology.
As for the “integration” of those who are divorced-and-remarried, Cardinal Müller said it is “essential that the word of God be proclaimed in the process … thus these baptized persons will shed light, little by little, on this second union that they have begun and in which they live.”
This could include the possibility of reviewing the nullity of their sacramental marriage, he said, and a possible “assumption of certain public ecclesial offices.” 2
How can we pastorally give a dispensation in an inter faith marriage as if we know of a case of salvation outside the Church and so the couple are not living in mortal sin? The liberal CDF has not objection.
A priest in the Confessional can grant absolution to a person in mortal sin but pastorally he cannot say that a person living in mortal sin has Sanctifying Grace.This would only be known to God.This is the point that Bishop Athanasius Schneider also seems to miss in his interpretation of Vatican Council II and in his comment on Amoris Leitizia(AL).He is affirming the liberal theology of Cardinal Muller and the two popes.
AL is based on their being known exceptions to the traditional teaching on mortal sin.This is the present mortal theology in Catholic universities and seminaries which is approved by Cardinal Muller.Subjectivism is official.
Father Matthias Gaudron, priest of the Society of St. Pius X, comments on the subjectivism of the post-synodal Apostolic Exhortation Amoris Laetitia released on April 8, 2016.
It is true that Catholic doctrine about marriage and all previous norms continue to remain in force, and therefore persons living in concubinage or with a civil union only are by the very fact forbidden to receive absolution or Holy Communion. But…there are exceptions!- Father Matthias Gaudron SSPX 3
Questioning Catholic Morality
We must, says the Pope, “avoid judgments which do not take into account the complexity of various situations” (¶304). General norms are of course very good, “but in their formulation they cannot provide absolutely for all particular situations.” That may be true of most human norms, but not of divine laws which decree that the conjugal act is permitted only to a man and a woman validly married, and that a consummated sacramental marriage cannot be dissolved by any authority on earth — not even by the Pope.These laws admit of no exceptions and are valid independent of any particular circumstance.- Father Matthias Gaudron
For Bishop Schneider too there are known exceptions to the traditional theology on morals and faith( salvation). He has accepted the new theology. The result is a new ecclesiology.His interpretation of Vatican Council II is based on known exceptions ( LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc.) to the dogma EENS.With the new ecclesiology he interprets Vatican Council II and finds it wanting.
Father Matthias Gaudron states:
These laws admit of no exceptions and are valid independent of any particular circumstance. The morality of an action is in part objective and thus does not depend merely on circumstances or the intention of the agent. Killing an innocent person, abusing a child, and calumniating someone are always and in every case wrong, and hence they cannot become morally good actions even if done with the best of intentions.
Bishop Schneider approves of 'known exceptions', 'subjectivism as objectivism' and 'situation ethics' as theories. He also believes they can be recognized and implemented in real life.This is magisterial according to the CDF.
There was no clear comment from the CDF Prefect on what Fr.Matthias Guadron says here.
If out of ignorance and having an erroneous conscience, a man thinks it is permissible to kill an innocent person in order to save another, or that it is permissible to calumniate an adversary in the interest of a worthy cause, subjectively he may perhaps not be guilty of the sin, but his action remains objectively evil.
So Vatican Council II's Lumen Gentium 16 would not only be hypothetical for him but also practically known in personal cases.So he would support Pope Benedict on EENS being a break with the 16th century Catholic Church.
AL(301) would not refer to theoretical moral possibilities but actual cases in which a judgment and exception can be made. This would be normal.
The liberals and Masons mix up what is unknown as being known. Then they create exceptions to the traditional teachings on faith and morals. Over time, the exceptions become the norm in the Catholic Church.
Pope Francis contradicts Veritatis Splendor.Amoris Laetitia was a break with Pope John Paul II. Even Fr. Matthias Gaudron notices it.
This has nothing at all to do with “thinking that everything is black and white” (¶305). One can very well sympathize with a woman driven into a new relationship because of the infidelity or callousness of her husband. In such a case one may admit that the guilt is lessened, but adultery is still an inherently evil act.
Annulments and dispensations have been mass produced to attack the family. AL too mixes up what is unknown as being known to create more sacrilege.Remember the Kennedy annulments.
Unknown cases in Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc. ) are presented as known and so the Council becomes a break with the dogma EENS. Since they are 'known' it is assumed there is salvation outside the Church. Since there is salvation outside the Church non Catholics are allowed to marry Catholics and it is not considered being in adultery. This is another attack on the family.The non Catholic spouse is assumed to be saved outside the Church. This is a magisterium-approved attack on the family but this is the reasoning that Bishop Schneider also uses to interpret Vatican Council II and Church documents.
It is the norm for him as in the rest of the Church, to mix up what is unknown as being known.
Why doesn't Bishop Schneider clearly say that there are no known exceptions to EENS in Vatican Council II? Subjective cases cannot be objective. We cannot know of anyone for example saved in imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3) or 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8).So UR 3 and LG 8 are irrelevant to traditional Catholic exclusivist ecclesiology. Why does he still interpret Vatican Council II like the Neo Catechumenale Way, Charismatic Renewal and the liberal Left?
Why does he not say that we can never know when a Catholic sacramental marriage was invalid at the outset? This is Protestantism.
How can the priest know when a divorced and remarried has Sanctifying Grace even though they are in mortal sin.? Why do ecclesiastics assume all this is possible? How does the bishop or a priest have the right to grant an annulment or dispensation, break a family and permit new marriages and possibilities for receiving the Eucharist without it being considered sacrilegious?.
How does a cardinal or bishop have the right to regularize an irregular (mortal sin) relationship by breaking a marriage? How can they break marriages or validate adulterous and heretical ones based on a rejection of the faith ( EENS) and moral( mortal sin/sacrilege) teachings of the Catholic Church? These are points which were not covered by Cardinal Muller (Oviedo, Spain, May 12, 2016,CNA/EWTN News).
He was not affirming the traditional de fide teachings on faith and morals but instead pleasing the Masons and the rest of the Jewish Left.
The de fide teachings on morals was changed by Pope Francis. It is a doctrinal change.
But now Pope Francis maintains that “it can no longer simply be said that all those in any ‘irregular’ situation are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace,” and that this is so not only through ignorance of the divine law, but also on account of the “great difficulty in understanding its [the rule’s] ‘inherent values.’” Someone could even “be in a concrete situation which does not allow him or her to act differently and decide otherwise without further sin” (¶301). Thus the Pope is declaring officially the possibility that someone in an objectively sinful relationship must remain in it so as not to commit yet another sin.- Father Matthias Gaudron
-Lionel Andrades
1.
MAY 13, 2016
Cardinal Gerhard Muller assumes there are practical exceptions to the Church's traditional teachings on morals and faith : overlooks this error in Amoris Laetitia
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/cardinal-gerhar…
2.
www.catholicnewsagency.com/…/mller-on-amoris…
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Amoris Laetitia:a Triumph of Subjectivism - Father Matthias Gaudron SSPX
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/amoris-laetitia…
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How easily annulments and dispensations are given and now Amoris Laetitia offers another Church-approved means to strike at the family
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Cannoli,
I am not anti-Catholic. I am a Catholic who affirms all the magisterial documents.
Secondly my posts here are on Amoris Laetitia.You have a problem with them too?
I am not anti-Catholic. I am a Catholic who affirms all the magisterial documents.
Secondly my posts here are on Amoris Laetitia.You have a problem with them too?
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Immense harm:
How can the Eucharist be a "powerful medicine" and "nourishment" for those who do not live according the Word of God?
To recant his errors and make amends to God and the people, will be the only way for forgiveness.
>>>At the end of that sentence, footnote 351 clarifies: “In certain cases, this can include the help of the sacraments,” and then refers to both Confession and the Eucharist …More
Immense harm:
How can the Eucharist be a "powerful medicine" and "nourishment" for those who do not live according the Word of God?
To recant his errors and make amends to God and the people, will be the only way for forgiveness.
>>>At the end of that sentence, footnote 351 clarifies: “In certain cases, this can include the help of the sacraments,” and then refers to both Confession and the Eucharist. He writes: “I would also point out that the Eucharist ‘is not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.’”
The second grave scandal comes in paragraph 301. In the context of the question of “discernment” for those “irregular” relationships, Pope Francis does away with the claim that those who do not live according to God’s law are living in the state of mortal sin! He says:
Hence it is [sic] can no longer simply be said that all those in any “irregular” [to include homosexual relationships?] situations are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace. More is involved here than mere ignorance of the rule. A subject may know full well the rule, yet have great difficulty in understanding “its inherent values” [?], or be in a concrete situation which does not allow him or her to act differently and decide otherwise without further sin...
There is much more in the document that still demands to be unpacked. But on the basis of these points alone, we see the potential for serious danger to the souls of the faithful who would follow the advice laid out herein.<<<
www.onepeterfive.com/pope-francis-de…
How can the Eucharist be a "powerful medicine" and "nourishment" for those who do not live according the Word of God?
To recant his errors and make amends to God and the people, will be the only way for forgiveness.
>>>At the end of that sentence, footnote 351 clarifies: “In certain cases, this can include the help of the sacraments,” and then refers to both Confession and the Eucharist. He writes: “I would also point out that the Eucharist ‘is not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.’”
The second grave scandal comes in paragraph 301. In the context of the question of “discernment” for those “irregular” relationships, Pope Francis does away with the claim that those who do not live according to God’s law are living in the state of mortal sin! He says:
Hence it is [sic] can no longer simply be said that all those in any “irregular” [to include homosexual relationships?] situations are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace. More is involved here than mere ignorance of the rule. A subject may know full well the rule, yet have great difficulty in understanding “its inherent values” [?], or be in a concrete situation which does not allow him or her to act differently and decide otherwise without further sin...
There is much more in the document that still demands to be unpacked. But on the basis of these points alone, we see the potential for serious danger to the souls of the faithful who would follow the advice laid out herein.<<<
www.onepeterfive.com/pope-francis-de…
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The self-obsessed anti-Catholic attempts to promote his own psychotic blog by linking and posting the same material from that blog at Gloria.tv over and over and over again every day. That material repeatedly criticizes well respected authorities within the Church such as EWTN, Catholic Answers and the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter but that doesn't matter. You see, in his own egotistical/self-…More
The self-obsessed anti-Catholic attempts to promote his own psychotic blog by linking and posting the same material from that blog at Gloria.tv over and over and over again every day. That material repeatedly criticizes well respected authorities within the Church such as EWTN, Catholic Answers and the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter but that doesn't matter. You see, in his own egotistical/self-centered mind, THIS OBSESSIVE ANTI-CATHOLIC IS THE FINAL ARBITER OF THE TRUTH.
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Seen below on this thread, the self-promoting, long-winded, vainglorious loon strikes again. Ask yourself, would a normal Catholic make these kinds of posts and further, would a normal Catholic do it each and every day on various threads at this website?
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What then do the moderators of Gloria.tv do to end this clear abuse of posting privileges and mockery of the truth? Do they do nothing? Do they actually permit this idiocy to continue at their website?
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If the moderators would NOT permit a self-declared anti-Catholic to repeatedly make these kinds of anti-Catholic posts - which clearly diminishes the prestige of this site - why would they allow a non-declared anti-Catholic to make them?
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Seen below on this thread, the self-promoting, long-winded, vainglorious loon strikes again. Ask yourself, would a normal Catholic make these kinds of posts and further, would a normal Catholic do it each and every day on various threads at this website?
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What then do the moderators of Gloria.tv do to end this clear abuse of posting privileges and mockery of the truth? Do they do nothing? Do they actually permit this idiocy to continue at their website?
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If the moderators would NOT permit a self-declared anti-Catholic to repeatedly make these kinds of anti-Catholic posts - which clearly diminishes the prestige of this site - why would they allow a non-declared anti-Catholic to make them?
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Pope Francis' exhortation Amoris Laeitia is based upon this irrationality and innovation in Catholic morals : Fr.Thomas Rosica, says we may not judge individuals
"May our way of communicating help to overcome the mind-set that neatly separates sinners from the righteous," he said. "We can and we must judge situations of sin – such as violence, corruption and exploitation – but we may not judge …More
Pope Francis' exhortation Amoris Laeitia is based upon this irrationality and innovation in Catholic morals : Fr.Thomas Rosica, says we may not judge individuals
"May our way of communicating help to overcome the mind-set that neatly separates sinners from the righteous," he said. "We can and we must judge situations of sin – such as violence, corruption and exploitation – but we may not judge individuals, since only God can see into the depths of their hearts." -Fr.Thomas Rosicawww.catholicnews.com/…/pope-gets-media…
Lionel:
but we may not judge individuals, since only God can see into the depths of their hearts
This is contrary to Pope John PaulI's moral encyclical Veritatis Splendor which says we can judge a mortal sin and the outward action indicates the subjective state.
It also states that some sins are intrinsically evil.
Veritatsi Spendor is critical of the Fundamental Option Theory of Fr. Bernard Haring and Fr.Charles Curran which states that even though a person may be in objective mortal sin, we cannot judge him, since subjectively he may be choosing an option for the good.In other words Harding and Curran could judge these hypothetical cases. Then based upon this theoretical case, they created a new rule in mortal theology which said others could not judge .They also did away with the traditional concept of mortal sin.
This is the moral theology, with numerous 'permutations, probailities and possibilities', which is taught at pontifical universities.Pope Francis' exhortation Amoris Laeitia is based upon this irrationality and innovation in Catholic morals.
-Lionel Andrades
"May our way of communicating help to overcome the mind-set that neatly separates sinners from the righteous," he said. "We can and we must judge situations of sin – such as violence, corruption and exploitation – but we may not judge individuals, since only God can see into the depths of their hearts." -Fr.Thomas Rosicawww.catholicnews.com/…/pope-gets-media…
Lionel:
but we may not judge individuals, since only God can see into the depths of their hearts
This is contrary to Pope John PaulI's moral encyclical Veritatis Splendor which says we can judge a mortal sin and the outward action indicates the subjective state.
It also states that some sins are intrinsically evil.
Veritatsi Spendor is critical of the Fundamental Option Theory of Fr. Bernard Haring and Fr.Charles Curran which states that even though a person may be in objective mortal sin, we cannot judge him, since subjectively he may be choosing an option for the good.In other words Harding and Curran could judge these hypothetical cases. Then based upon this theoretical case, they created a new rule in mortal theology which said others could not judge .They also did away with the traditional concept of mortal sin.
This is the moral theology, with numerous 'permutations, probailities and possibilities', which is taught at pontifical universities.Pope Francis' exhortation Amoris Laeitia is based upon this irrationality and innovation in Catholic morals.
-Lionel Andrades
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Anonymous Catholics object to Amoris Laeitia : Pope not in heresy
Catholic academics and pastors appeal to the College of Cardinals over Amoris laetitia
Among the 45 signatories are Catholic prelates, scholars, professors, authors, and clergy from various pontifical universities, seminaries, colleges, theological institutes, religious orders, and dioceses around the world. They have asked the College …More
Anonymous Catholics object to Amoris Laeitia : Pope not in heresy
Catholic academics and pastors appeal to the College of Cardinals over Amoris laetitia
Among the 45 signatories are Catholic prelates, scholars, professors, authors, and clergy from various pontifical universities, seminaries, colleges, theological institutes, religious orders, and dioceses around the world. They have asked the College of Cardinals, in their capacity as the Pope's official advisers, to approach the Holy Father with a request that he repudiate “the errors listed in the document in a definitive and final manner, and to authoritatively state that Amoris laetitia does not require any of them to be believed or considered as possibly true.”
“We are not accusing the pope of heresy,” said a spokesman for the authors, “but we consider that numerous propositions in Amoris laetitiacan be construed as heretical upon a natural reading of the text. Additional statements would fall under other established theological censures, such as scandalous, erroneous in faith, and ambiguous, among others.”
The 1983 Code of Canon Law states that “According to the knowledge, competence, and expertise which they possess, they [the Christian faithful] have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful” (CIC, can. 212 §3).
www.lmschairman.org/…/catholic-academ…
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POPE NOT IN HERESY ?
“We are not accusing the pope of heresy,” said a spokesman for the authors, “but we consider that numerous propositions in Amoris laetitiacan be construed as heretical upon a natural reading of the text. Additional statements would fall under other established theological censures, such as scandalous, erroneous in faith, and ambiguous, among others.”-Joseph Shaw
MAY 7, 2016
Pope Francis uses an irrational premise to draw a non traditional and heretical conclusion on Methodists and salvation
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-us…
MARCH 31, 2016
Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with an irrationality as do the traditionalists: the result is heresy
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-in…
'Successor of St.Peter' interprets Vatican Council II with irrationality : magisterium still makes a factual error
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/successor-of-st…
Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with the irrational premise which comes from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-in…
The ecclesiology of Pope Francis and Cardinal Kaspar is based on the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/the-ecclesiolog…
From Pope Paul VI to Pope Francis... : Can popes reject an ex cathedra teaching and offer Holy Mass ? Yes, defacto this is what is being done
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/from-pope-paul-…
Pope Francis, Cardinal Muller and Cardinal Ladaria are refusing to interpret Vatican Council II without the irrationality
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-ca…
Pope Francis denies the Catholic Faith
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/search/label/Pope Francis
Pope Francis presents Jesus without the necessity of the Church
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-pr…
From Pope Pius XII to Pope Francis they all have been using an irrational premise in the interpretation of magisterial texts
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/from-pope-pius-…
Pope Francis presents Protestant kerygma contradicts Vatican Council II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-pr…
Pope omits doctrine which is the basis for religious liberty
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-sp…
Pope Francis like the sedevacantists uses Marchetti's irrational premise and inference. He accepts the Council with this error
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-li…
Pope Francis wants the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept Vatican Council II with theIRRATIONAL RED column
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-wa…
No one denies that the pope has made a Cushingite error
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/no-one-denies-t…
Pope Francis' error has made salvation theology over the last 60 -plus years obsolete
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-er…
Pope Francis is interpreting magisterial documents with an objective error : he is using a dead man walking and visible theory
hteucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-is…
POPE FRANCIS IS USING IRRATIONAL CUSHINGISM IN THE INTERPRETATION OF MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS uchaistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-is…
Cushingism is the basis for Pope Francis' Ecclesiology eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/cushingism-is-b…
What a long line of religious formators who will teach heresy like our pope
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/what-long-line-…
The Magisterial Heresy -1
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/the-magisterial…
Magisterial Heresy -2
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/magisterial-her…
The Magisterial Heresy - 3
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/the-magisterial…
CDF hiding the truth still
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/cdf-hiding-trut…
Pope Francis is contradicting Pope John Paul II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-in…
-Lionel Andrades
Catholic academics and pastors appeal to the College of Cardinals over Amoris laetitia
Among the 45 signatories are Catholic prelates, scholars, professors, authors, and clergy from various pontifical universities, seminaries, colleges, theological institutes, religious orders, and dioceses around the world. They have asked the College of Cardinals, in their capacity as the Pope's official advisers, to approach the Holy Father with a request that he repudiate “the errors listed in the document in a definitive and final manner, and to authoritatively state that Amoris laetitia does not require any of them to be believed or considered as possibly true.”
“We are not accusing the pope of heresy,” said a spokesman for the authors, “but we consider that numerous propositions in Amoris laetitiacan be construed as heretical upon a natural reading of the text. Additional statements would fall under other established theological censures, such as scandalous, erroneous in faith, and ambiguous, among others.”
The 1983 Code of Canon Law states that “According to the knowledge, competence, and expertise which they possess, they [the Christian faithful] have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful” (CIC, can. 212 §3).
www.lmschairman.org/…/catholic-academ…
_____________________________________________________
POPE NOT IN HERESY ?
“We are not accusing the pope of heresy,” said a spokesman for the authors, “but we consider that numerous propositions in Amoris laetitiacan be construed as heretical upon a natural reading of the text. Additional statements would fall under other established theological censures, such as scandalous, erroneous in faith, and ambiguous, among others.”-Joseph Shaw
MAY 7, 2016
Pope Francis uses an irrational premise to draw a non traditional and heretical conclusion on Methodists and salvation
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-us…
MARCH 31, 2016
Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with an irrationality as do the traditionalists: the result is heresy
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-in…
'Successor of St.Peter' interprets Vatican Council II with irrationality : magisterium still makes a factual error
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/successor-of-st…
Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with the irrational premise which comes from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-in…
The ecclesiology of Pope Francis and Cardinal Kaspar is based on the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/the-ecclesiolog…
From Pope Paul VI to Pope Francis... : Can popes reject an ex cathedra teaching and offer Holy Mass ? Yes, defacto this is what is being done
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/from-pope-paul-…
Pope Francis, Cardinal Muller and Cardinal Ladaria are refusing to interpret Vatican Council II without the irrationality
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-ca…
Pope Francis denies the Catholic Faith
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/search/label/Pope Francis
Pope Francis presents Jesus without the necessity of the Church
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-pr…
From Pope Pius XII to Pope Francis they all have been using an irrational premise in the interpretation of magisterial texts
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/from-pope-pius-…
Pope Francis presents Protestant kerygma contradicts Vatican Council II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-pr…
Pope omits doctrine which is the basis for religious liberty
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-sp…
Pope Francis like the sedevacantists uses Marchetti's irrational premise and inference. He accepts the Council with this error
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-li…
Pope Francis wants the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept Vatican Council II with theIRRATIONAL RED column
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-wa…
No one denies that the pope has made a Cushingite error
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/no-one-denies-t…
Pope Francis' error has made salvation theology over the last 60 -plus years obsolete
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-er…
Pope Francis is interpreting magisterial documents with an objective error : he is using a dead man walking and visible theory
hteucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-is…
POPE FRANCIS IS USING IRRATIONAL CUSHINGISM IN THE INTERPRETATION OF MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS uchaistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-is…
Cushingism is the basis for Pope Francis' Ecclesiology eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/cushingism-is-b…
What a long line of religious formators who will teach heresy like our pope
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/what-long-line-…
The Magisterial Heresy -1
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/the-magisterial…
Magisterial Heresy -2
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/magisterial-her…
The Magisterial Heresy - 3
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/the-magisterial…
CDF hiding the truth still
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/cdf-hiding-trut…
Pope Francis is contradicting Pope John Paul II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/pope-francis-in…
-Lionel Andrades