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The "Universe 25" experiment

The "Universe 25" experiment is one of the most terrifying experiments in the history of science, which, through the behavior of a colony of mice, is an attempt by scientists to explain human societies. The idea of "Universe 25" Came from the American scientist John Calhoun, who created an "ideal world" in which hundreds of mice would live and reproduce. More specifically, Calhoun built the so-called "Paradise of Mice", a specially designed space where rodents had Abundance of food and water, as well as a large living space. In the beginning, he placed four pairs of mice that in a short time began to reproduce, resulting in their population growing rapidly. However, after 315 days their reproduction began to decrease significantly. When the number of rodents reached 600, a hierarchy was formed between them and then the so-called "wretches" appeared.

The larger rodents began to attack the group, with the result that many males begin to "collapse" psychologically. As a result, the females did not protect themselves and in turn became aggressive towards their young. As time went on, the females showed more and more aggressive behavior, isolation elements and lack of reproductive mood. There was a low birth rate and, at the same time, an increase in mortality in younger rodents. Then, a new class of male rodents appeared, the so-called "beautiful mice".

They refused to mate with the females or to "fight" for their space. All they cared about was food and sleep. At one point, "beautiful males" and "isolated females" made up the majority of the population. According to Calhoun, the death phase consisted of two stages: the "first death" and "second death." The former was characterized by the loss of purpose in life beyond mere existence — no desire to mate, raise young or establish a role within society. As time went on, juvenile mortality reached 100% and reproduction reached zero. Among the endangered mice, homosexuality was observed and, at the same time, cannibalism increased, despite the fact that there was plenty of food. Two years after the start of the experiment, the last baby of the colony was born. By 1973, he had killed the last mouse in the Universe 25. John Calhoun repeated the same experiment 25 more times, and each time the result was the same.

Calhoun's scientific work has been used as a model for interpreting social collapse, and his research serves as a focal point for the study of urban sociology.

We are currently witnessing direct parallels in today’s society..weak, feminized men with little to no skills and no protection instincts, and overly agitated and aggressive females with no maternal instincts.
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michael7

Ich denke, wenn der Mensch seine moralische Ver-antwortlichkeit bewusst oder unbewusst von sich weist und er sich nur noch auf dem animalischen Niveau treiben lässt, dann verfällt die Gesellschaft mit ihren Individuen wohl einem vergleichbaren Verhalten wie hier die Tiere.
Der Mensch ist aber mehr als nur ein Tier: Ebenbild Gottes und daher zur Erfüllung des Willens Gottes und des Guten berufen, also zur Gottes- und Nächstenliebe.
Bleibt er sich dieser Berufung bewusst, dann ist auch eine organisierte oder zivilisierte Gesellschaft nicht notwendig Anlass zur Dekadenz, sondern ein Segen für den Einzelnen wie für die ganze Gemeinschaft!

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Ultraviolet

Using mice to predict human behavior is as biologically incompatible and irrelevant as using termites.. Non Sequitur Fallacy.

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Jose Luis Trasancos

It is a non-sequitur only if extended too far. With respect to the intersection of instinct, incentive and consequent behavior, these experiments are useful. They are not meant to predict human behavior, as human history is rich in frameworks that help us understand why things happen and why they continue to happen. These experiments are useful in improving our understanding the importance and contribution of variables and their effects on individual and social behaviors. Universe 25, Pavlov's Dog and New Haven Frogs share fundamental similarities in design and they deliver similar value.
Invert the order of operation. Isn't it food for thought that when one creates the equivalent of a mouse welfare state, social conditions among the mice begin to follow social conditions among humans to a degree? Apparently, we're not as smart as we think we are. We need to be reminded that life needs purpose.

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Ultraviolet

" With respect to the intersection of instinct, incentive and consequent behavior, these experiments are useful."
-for studying mice. Again, mice are not humans.
"They are not meant to predict human behavior"
Contradicted by the author you're trying to defend. I quote: --"Calhoun's scientific work has been used as a model for interpreting social collapse, and his research serves as a focal point for the study of urban sociology."--
Mice do not have "urban sociology" nor do they have societies. You two need to get your stories straight.
"These experiments are useful in improving our understanding the importance and contribution of variables and their effects on individual and social behaviors."
The "individual and social behaviors" of mice have more relevance to humanity than those of termites, ants, or bees.
"Universe 25, Pavlov's Dog and New Haven Frogs share fundamental similarities in design and they deliver similar value."
For their respective species. People can consciously choose NOT to drool in response to stimuli, if only for the personal satisfaction of thwarting the experimenter.
Salmon will fight for their lives travelling thousands of miles to breed. Panda bears are so notoriously sluggish even breeding often too much of an effort, especially if there is plentiful food around.
Again, frogs and dogs are not people. Neither are salmon and pandas.
Since you seem familiar with logic (an apparent rarity around here), the error these researchers make is one of Anthropomorphism and, by extention a Pathetic Fallacy (in the literary sense).
" Isn't it food for thought that when..."
Not really. Animals governed by instinct. Humans are governed by reason.
Most humans have a pronounced work-ethic. Lazy humans consciously choose to be lazy.
"Apparently, we're not as smart as we think we are."
"We"??? Speak only for yourself, please. Out of courtesy, I'm going to refrain from the obvious repartee. ;-)

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Waagerl

Natürlich, kann man das Experiment auch auf die menschliche Psyche beziehen.
Man will dadurch das Umfeld, drem Umgang, soziales Gefüge, auch den Menschen neu prägen. Und man wird nicht automatisch als Christ geboren.. Auch ist der Christ von Christ zu Christ verschiedenen. In der jetzigen Zeit sieht man auch, wie anhand der Plandemie, die Menschen sehr unterschiedliche Verhaltensmuster aufweisen.
Und erkrankt zum Beispiel in einer Kolonie ein Tier, erkranken auch alle anderen, wenn diese Krankheit nicht ausgeheilt wird. Mit Futter, Wetter, Lichtmanipulation, Wassermanipulation, kann man auch beim Menschen verschiedene Verhaltensweisen aufzwingen.
Außerdem, sollte man ja schon anhand der verschiedenen Völker und Rassen und Ihrer Lehren und Brauchtümer erkennen, dass die Menschen auf ihre Umwelt und Wahrnehmungen unterschiedlich reagieren Schaffe veränderte Lebensräume und Bedingungen, schon verändert sich das Sozialverhalten. Geht schon los bei unterschiedlichen Schwingungen und Energiefrquenzen!

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aderito

Humanity has a God and Saviour ,Man is a physical ,mental and spiritual human being and when he uses mostly is physical capacity ,everything else starts breaking down ,Man is wired to use mental capacity to adore and praise God ,and love his fellow human being

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