Live Mike
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Live Mike
This is worthy of your time... less than 7 minutes @Kathleen Keating
Kathleen Keating
Thanks, Michael! God bless you!
Daniel Valencia
Is there the full video somewhere? Who are the people speaking in this segment?
Live Mike
Live Mike
Fr. Nicholas Gruner, Fr. Paul Kramer, Dr. Robert Sungenis
sam yeager
Mike or anyone: any proof from Lucy that Russia was never consecrated pre-vatican ii Lucy,( assuming there are two Lucys) We know (again assuming the two Lucy theory is true) post '60 Lucy declared Pius xii consecration didn't take as Our Lady requested. Robert Sungenis new book claims compelling evidence of a conversation between Our Lord and Lucy, accepted the '52 consecration and Sungenis believes …More
Mike or anyone: any proof from Lucy that Russia was never consecrated pre-vatican ii Lucy,( assuming there are two Lucys) We know (again assuming the two Lucy theory is true) post '60 Lucy declared Pius xii consecration didn't take as Our Lady requested. Robert Sungenis new book claims compelling evidence of a conversation between Our Lord and Lucy, accepted the '52 consecration and Sungenis believes another consecration isn't necessary.
Live Mike
1942:
Pius XII attempts to comply with Our Lady’s request for the Consecration.
October 31:
Pope Pius XII, acting alone and on the basis of inaccurate information about what Our Lady requested, consecrates the world, but not Russia specifically, to the Immaculate Heart. The bishops do not participate.
December 8: Pius XII repeats the same ceremony, again without the participation of the bishops. …More
1942:
Pius XII attempts to comply with Our Lady’s request for the Consecration.

October 31:
Pope Pius XII, acting alone and on the basis of inaccurate information about what Our Lady requested, consecrates the world, but not Russia specifically, to the Immaculate Heart. The bishops do not participate.

December 8: Pius XII repeats the same ceremony, again without the participation of the bishops. Our Lord tells Sister Lucy that because of this World War II will be shortened, but that world peace will not result as Russia has not been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and consequently converted. World peace is reserved only to the proper Consecration of Russia.

1952:
Our Lady is Still Awaiting the Consecration; Pius XII tries again.

May: Our Lady appears to Sister Lucy saying: “Make it known to the Holy Father that I am always awaiting the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart. Without the Consecration, Russia will not be able to convert, nor will the world have peace.”

Source: The Fatima Timeline by The Fatima Center, 2015
sam yeager
Mike, in July Pius xii does the consecration though. I am looking for confirmation that Lucy states that heaven accepted it as Sungenis believes occurred. It was my understanding that Lucy believed Pius didn't do it as asked. I think the post '60 Lucy said Pius didn't... what's interesting is Fr. Gruner says Lucy was silenced .... but later this 'Lucy' appears to speak in her later years.
Live Mike
Sorry, I misread your question @sam yeager wrote, "any proof from Lucy that Russia was never consecrated [CORRECTLY] pre-vatican ii Lucy"
July 7: Pope Pius XII consecrates Russia specifically in an apostolic letter called Sacro vergente anno, but only as a written exhortation. He does not ask for all the bishops to join him in keeping with Our Lady’s request for a public ceremony conducted by …More
Sorry, I misread your question @sam yeager wrote, "any proof from Lucy that Russia was never consecrated [CORRECTLY] pre-vatican ii Lucy"

July 7: Pope Pius XII consecrates Russia specifically in an apostolic letter called Sacro vergente anno, but only as a written exhortation. He does not ask for all the bishops to join him in keeping with Our Lady’s request for a public ceremony conducted by the Pope in union with all the Catholic bishops of the whole world.
sam yeager
Mike, I understand what Pius did. My question is about Lucy's belief. Sungenis believes he read the conversation between Our Lord and Lucy and how Heaven accepted the consecration.
Russia Has Been Consecrated - Sungenis Defends His ThesisMore
Mike, I understand what Pius did. My question is about Lucy's belief. Sungenis believes he read the conversation between Our Lord and Lucy and how Heaven accepted the consecration.

Russia Has Been Consecrated - Sungenis Defends His Thesis
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La prophétie du stigmatisé Antonio Ruffini † (1907-1999)" Qui fera la consécration de la Russie ?"
Source : Conférence de Fatima Idaho, Mystère de l'iniquité, session de questions-réponses 1, 28-30 septembre 2012.
John T David
Bergoglio is the prophesied anti Pope. Therefore his consecration cannot be valid. Anyone with wisdom should know this already. Pope Benedict will scale the hill and be killed. Then the next legitimate Pope ‘Peter the Roman’ will consecrate Russia.
Jeffrey Ade
This falls in line with Fr. Sean Kopczynski's sermon on the "God's Astonishing Reversals" of the church! Russia will be consecrated, it will be late(not earlier then June 13, 2029) and then there will be peace! In the mean time Rosary up! Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us! 7 years or so, hmmm, we can do this! With the Grace of Almighty God, all things are possible!
Live Mike
That's an interesting thought. And there are some who think that "it will be late" refers to anytime before 13 June 1929 as Russia has already spread her errors throughout the world (including the USA & the Vatican), Russia has caused wars and has persecuted the Church.
Our Lord complainingly said to me [Sr. Lucia of Fatima]: “They did not want to heed My request. Like the King of France they …More
That's an interesting thought. And there are some who think that "it will be late" refers to anytime before 13 June 1929 as Russia has already spread her errors throughout the world (including the USA & the Vatican), Russia has caused wars and has persecuted the Church.

Our Lord complainingly said to me [Sr. Lucia of Fatima]: “They did not want to heed My request. Like the King of France they will repent and do so, but it will be late. Russia will already have spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer. - Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. II, p. 543-544, pdf p. 365, 366

"Sr. Lucia made it plain that Our Lady did not ask for the consecration of the world to Her Immaculate Heart. What She [Our Lady] demanded specifically was the consecration of Russia. Sr. Lucia stated more than once and with deliberate emphasis: ‘What Our Lady wants is that the Pope and all the bishops in the world shall consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart on one special day. If this is done, She will convert Russia and there will be peace. If it is not done, the errors of Russia will spread through every country in the world’.”
Professor Walsh asked Sr. Lucia, "Does this mean, in your opinion, that every country [including the United States of America and the Vatican City State], without exception, will be overcome by Communism?"

Sr. Lucia replied, "Yes." [this was her precise answer] - William Thomas Walsh, Our Lady of Fatima, 4th printing, 1947, p. 226; See also Louis Kaczmarek, The Wonders She Performs, 1986, p. 160
rhemes1582
So much material. Interesting
Alex A
Wait a minute! Haven't all the detractors of the JP2 act of consecration argued that it was invalid because the wording was not in conformity with what OBL called for? Now seemingly, those same detractors are oozing with enthusiasms over Pope Francis's proclamation alluding to the consecration of Russia and Ukraine. Hardly the exact wording that OBL called for, is it? And I smile to myself, whilst …More
Wait a minute! Haven't all the detractors of the JP2 act of consecration argued that it was invalid because the wording was not in conformity with what OBL called for? Now seemingly, those same detractors are oozing with enthusiasms over Pope Francis's proclamation alluding to the consecration of Russia and Ukraine. Hardly the exact wording that OBL called for, is it? And I smile to myself, whilst further musing, on the strong possibility that the self-same detractors don't even view Francis as a legitimate Pope. Where does that leave those who hold such a position? For me, I'm just wondering what on earth is Francis up to?
Live Mike
And there are critics who rightly point out the shortcomings of the consecrations or lack thereof of the last 8 popes How Eight Popes Failed to do the Consecration of Russia - John Salza, The Fatima Center Peace …
Child of Our Lady
Ukraine was a part of Russia in 1917 & didn't become independent until 1991. With Our Lady saying 'Russia' in 1917, it would have included what is now Ukraine. The underlying fact is there is no world peace, so no properly formatted consecration was ever done by a pope & in union with the bishops of the world. Pope Francis & the worlds bishops can help rectify this. Pray for their conversion. God …More
Ukraine was a part of Russia in 1917 & didn't become independent until 1991. With Our Lady saying 'Russia' in 1917, it would have included what is now Ukraine. The underlying fact is there is no world peace, so no properly formatted consecration was ever done by a pope & in union with the bishops of the world. Pope Francis & the worlds bishops can help rectify this. Pray for their conversion. God can do ALL things, including fixing this pope & the worlds bishops.

I know my bishop hasn't said whether he will participate in the consecration, in union w/ the Pope as I asked the priest in the confessional on Saturday. He said they are waiting for guidance.
Live Mike
"Russia" ... SOLELY "Russia" ... without any other noun.
Just me
@Live Mike What no one gets is, there is no need to include everyone and everything under the sun. Once Russia is consecrated to The Immaculate Heart of Mary, then "The Whole World" will find peace. Not in days, months or years. But right then and there. "Everyone" will know peace. It is really very simple to see this. Yet I am not sure people do.
giveusthisday
Thank you Laurelmarycecilia and Live Mike. This is so urgent! Yes, God asks of the Holy Father to make the consecration of _Russia_ to Her Immaculate Heart, in union with all the bishops of the world. Pray, pray, pray for this consecration.
laurelmarycecilia
If there is a command, there is a penalty for ignoring the command; otherwise, the statement is just a suggestion, an "I would like it if......"
laurelmarycecilia
“The moment has come in which God asks of the Holy Father to make, and to order that in union with him and at the same time, all the bishops of the world make, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart”, promising to convert it because of this day of prayer and worldwide reparation. - Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. II, pdf p. 372
rhemes1582
Heavy Stuff.
🙏
Live Mike
Indeed it is
rhemes1582
So I looked and this video was about a year before Pope Benedict XVI resigned.
Fr. Kramer was speaking on who would consecrate Russia. He states the Pope after Benedict XVI and then breaks into a rhetorical response regarding an antipope.
Do you know why he did that?
I am not familiar with Antonio Ruffini
rhemes1582
Did this stigmatist write about an antipope?
Live Mike
No, I don't know why Fr. Kramer did that. | Regarding "an anti-pope" - No, it's not Ruffini, it's from another unidentified source. I wish I knew the exact source Fr. Kramer refers to but I don't know it.
Live Mike
Kathleen Keating interviews Fr. Paul Kramer at 21:58 and following @rhemes1582 | Use the Wayback Machine for this link fatima.org/crusader/cr82/cr82pg11.asp once you arrive hold CTRL + F then type Ruffini in the search field.
rhemes1582
Thanks @Live Mike I stepped out for a few. I will be sure to check that out. Like another commentator mentioned, I too enjoy Fr Gruner and his talks, and the emotion that he will often reveal. May he rest in peace.
rhemes1582
@Live Mike Thanks Mike I'm familiar with those lines. Have a great day. Deo Gratias
Caroline03
rhemes1582
@Caroline03 I am very familiar with the Sacred Heart Quote. Not the other 2 paragraphs where the other countries are mentioned.
I thought the recent post by AKA Catholic blog brought out some excellent points, for consideration.
Namely his bringing to the front The Need of Reparation To Mary's Immaculate Heart being forefront in Heaven's request. By extension the need to fulfill 1st Saturdays and …More
@Caroline03 I am very familiar with the Sacred Heart Quote. Not the other 2 paragraphs where the other countries are mentioned.
I thought the recent post by AKA Catholic blog brought out some excellent points, for consideration.
Namely his bringing to the front The Need of Reparation To Mary's Immaculate Heart being forefront in Heaven's request. By extension the need to fulfill 1st Saturdays and Russia's consecration only.
I too with Most/Many Catholics pray for Heaven's Mercy on this upcoming event.
rhemes1582
@Caroline03
for reference a piece from that post here {IMPORTANT: At this, let us ask why the consecration of Russia is being made. This alone will provide the context we are seeking to establish! The answer isn’t just as simple as effecting Russia’s conversion or initiating a period of peace. These are promises attached to the consecration once it is carried out, they are not that which gives …More
@Caroline03
for reference a piece from that post here {IMPORTANT: At this, let us ask why the consecration of Russia is being made. This alone will provide the context we are seeking to establish! The answer isn’t just as simple as effecting Russia’s conversion or initiating a period of peace. These are promises attached to the consecration once it is carried out, they are not that which gives rise to the request. Our Lady explained the true reason:

“There are so many souls whom the Justice of God condemns for sins committed against me, that I have come to ask reparation…
The consecration of Russia is being requested as a demand of God’s justice; it is one of the means of reparation in light of that specific nation’s sins and its guilt before God. }
It is not my desire to promote the heading of article (people may think what they wish) I thought the info or his perspective on why the consecration is needed (besides Our Lady's obvious request). was informative.
Nuncio Confirms the Ruse: A “diplomatic” consecration
Defeat Modernism
On July 7, 1952, Pope Pius XII consecrated the peoples of Russia BY NAME to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in the Apostolic Letter Sacro vergente. You can read it at this link: Carissimis Russiae populis, die VII m. Iulii, A.D. MCMLII - Pius PP. XII, Epistula Apostolica | PIUS XII
Francis isn't even a Catholic or a valid priest or bishop. He can't consecrate anything.More
On July 7, 1952, Pope Pius XII consecrated the peoples of Russia BY NAME to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in the Apostolic Letter Sacro vergente. You can read it at this link: Carissimis Russiae populis, die VII m. Iulii, A.D. MCMLII - Pius PP. XII, Epistula Apostolica | PIUS XII

Francis isn't even a Catholic or a valid priest or bishop. He can't consecrate anything.
rhemes1582
@Defeat Modernism
Aside from the P.F./Bergoglio conundrum. I wonder about consecration at this upcoming event.
Are these 3 things important here as in a similar way at Mass..
Form
Matter
Intent
If yes, then I think there is a problem.
Just me
@Live Mike yes, Father Gruner was the founder.
Caroline03
Written by Fr Gruner
"In August 1931, due to illness, Sister Lucy was staying with a friend at Rianjo, Spain, a small maritime city near Pontevedra, to rest and recover. It was in the Chapel here that the Messenger of Fatima was once again given a communication from Heaven. Our Lord complained to Sister Lucy of the tardiness of His ministers who delay the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate …More
Written by Fr Gruner

"In August 1931, due to illness, Sister Lucy was staying with a friend at Rianjo, Spain, a small maritime city near Pontevedra, to rest and recover. It was in the Chapel here that the Messenger of Fatima was once again given a communication from Heaven. Our Lord complained to Sister Lucy of the tardiness of His ministers who delay the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as requested by Our Lady of Fatima on June 13, 1929 at Tuy

‘Make it known to My ministers, given that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, they will follow him into misfortune. It is never too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.’

In another text she wrote, "Later, through an intimate communication, Our Lord complained to me: "

‘They did not wish to heed My request! …Like the King of France they will repent of it, and they will do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors in the world, provoking wars and persecutions against the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer.’

Fr Gruner surmises....


"Our Lord was here making an explicit reference to the requests of the Sacred Heart given through Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque on June 17, 1689 to the King of France. As a result of the refusal of King Louis XIV – as well as the refusal of both his son and grandson, King Louis XV and King Louis XVI – to publicly consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, as was requested by Heaven by means of a recognized French Saint of that time, the Protestant and Masonic Counter-Church successfully carried out the great upheaval of the French Revolution.

"On June 17, 1789, (the Feast of the Sacred Heart) exactly one hundred years to the day from when Saint Margaret Mary had written down the great designs of Heaven for the King, the Third Estate rose up and proclaimed itself a National Assembly, stripping King Louis XVI of his legislative power. "

"On January 21, 1793, France, ungrateful and rebellious to its God, dared to decapitate its most Christian King as if he were a criminal. At Rianjo, Jesus warns us that this dark chapter of history will repeat itself, and this time the ministers of His Church – the Bishops, and perhaps even the Pope himself – will be among its hapless victims."

Fr Gruner offered this conclusion.

"It would appear that this execution of the Pope, “the Bishop dressed in White”, together with other bishops, priests, religious and lay people – as if they were common criminals – is what is foretold in the vision of Fatima released on June 26, 2000."

The Apparition at Rianjo (1931) | The Fatima Center
Live Mike
Was Fr. Nicholas Gruner the author or was this written by a member of The Fatima Center Staff?
Caroline03
It's been on that site for years. In fact, it was on their OLD site, and one day when I pressed the link I had originally saved - it had gone. I had to relocate it on their new site. It was definitely on there 20 or so years ago at least.
Can I just add that King Louis XIV was a very Catholic Monarch. He actually gave the exiled Stuart Monarchs of the UK a Palace in France and he supported them. …More
It's been on that site for years. In fact, it was on their OLD site, and one day when I pressed the link I had originally saved - it had gone. I had to relocate it on their new site. It was definitely on there 20 or so years ago at least.

Can I just add that King Louis XIV was a very Catholic Monarch. He actually gave the exiled Stuart Monarchs of the UK a Palace in France and he supported them. After he died they were housed by the Pope in Rome. Louis XIV, was a keen devotee to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. He had a Priest compose a Liturgy in honour of the Sacred Heart, and he also had a small Chapel built called "The Sacre-Coeur" Today, the modern consensus is that Louis XIV never learned of Christ's request to him,as it seems odd that otherwise he was a devout Catholic who practiced his Faith very reverently indeed.

Online somewhere I read an ancient eye-witness anecdote of a French Saint who had known King Louis XIV. He told that His Majesty, during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, used to prostrate himself on the ground when the Host was Consecrated. One day the Priest noticed that although King Louis XIV was reverently prostrate upon the ground as Our Lord was made manifest in the Eucharist, his Majesty's Courtiers were just standing there as though little interested. Evidently, the Priest cried out words to this effect

"Your Majesty, your Courtiers would do well to follow your example. Whilst your Majesty is prostrated on the floor -those who serve you are not!" After the Priest spoke, the King evidently turned and said sternly to his Courtiers, "Prostrate yourselves before Christ!" He knew that those who refused to humbly kneel before God Himself, were not likely to humbly submit to him either!

King Louis XIV only permitted Catholicism to be practiced in France during his 72 year reign. He was very powerful and blessed by God for it! However, his successor, King Louis XV allowed those of other faiths to be permitted to practice their own religions in France. After his reign, King Louis XVI (like King Solomon perhaps who the Lord punished for allowing heathen religions - his Kingdom was conquered and divided) was pressurised into becoming even more "ecumenical ". He gave legal permission to all other none-Catholic Religions to be practiced freely within France. This increased the power of his enemies and with it the legal rights to spread propaganda to his detriment against himself and Marie Antoinette. Due to this, the none-Catholics gained more support from those who believed the lies spread against him,and they rose up against him, denied him the right to his throne, his Kingdom and ultimately his life. God Bless all who abide by teachings of Christ in their Realms.
Live Mike
Dear @Caroline03 Agreed - The truth of the content is not in question... no doubt about it. I recall Fr. Gruner making the same types of statements many times over decades. The reason why I asked was simply because I wanted confirmation that it was from the hand of Fr. Gruner himself. In the past, they used to place the author's name at the top of articles. For example, The Fatima Message and the …More
Dear @Caroline03 Agreed - The truth of the content is not in question... no doubt about it. I recall Fr. Gruner making the same types of statements many times over decades. The reason why I asked was simply because I wanted confirmation that it was from the hand of Fr. Gruner himself. In the past, they used to place the author's name at the top of articles. For example, The Fatima Message and the Problem of False Obedience | The Fatima Center Many thanks for your reply
Caroline03
@Live Mike Here is a video of Fr Gruner discussing it
The 100 Year Time Limit Regarding the Consecration
...and you might want to see the original article on the old Fatima website. It contains a lot more information
Wayback Machinefatima.org/sitemap.htmMore
@Live Mike Here is a video of Fr Gruner discussing it

The 100 Year Time Limit Regarding the Consecration

...and you might want to see the original article on the old Fatima website. It contains a lot more information

Wayback Machinefatima.org/sitemap.htm
Live Mike
@Caroline03 You're wonderful... many thanks
Caroline03
@Live Mike See this, It appears that the Secret is possibly something to do with what happens in the book of Esther. Our Lady was evidently wearing a yellow star on her foot at Fatima, which was the Star of Esther. Esther is the same name as " Estella" aka "Star". (One of Our Lady's Historic Titles is the New Esther (Esther being a prototype of Our Lady) and another of Her titles "is Star of the …More
@Live Mike See this, It appears that the Secret is possibly something to do with what happens in the book of Esther. Our Lady was evidently wearing a yellow star on her foot at Fatima, which was the Star of Esther. Esther is the same name as " Estella" aka "Star". (One of Our Lady's Historic Titles is the New Esther (Esther being a prototype of Our Lady) and another of Her titles "is Star of the Sea" )

Now this is where it gets grim! - Gulp! The Book of Esther speaks of an edict being given that all the Jews have to be slaughtered. I hate to say it - but the coincidence of the third secret vision, gave the impression that The Pope, the Bishops and Laity of the RCC are all being put to death. So when all that is put side by side with the events of the Book of Esther, the implications seem to be rather ominous for us all! Perhaps this explains why JPII said he didn't want to release the secret in case RUSSIA made certain moves.

Here is the information of the Esther Connection with OLO Fatima online

Hidden Revelations: The Star of Esther and the Secrets of Fatima

Here is the author speaking of her Book on YOUTUBE
Ep21: Fatima Prophecies, the Star of Esther, & the Apocalypse (Part 1)

I think Dr Taylor Marshall needs to interview the lady - she is the author of a Book documenting her findings.....
cmoulthrop
Interesting but the author is basing her hypothesis on the date of Sr Lucia’s death. There has been much conjecture regarding the dramatic change in appearance of the seer and the possibility of an imposter. If this is the case the date of the imposter’s death is moot.
Just me
@가입을 원합니다 Father Kramer is right. And a real consecration takes but less than one minute for the results. Not days, months or years. That is another way of knowing if it was done or not. To consecrate Russia to The Immaculate Heart of Mary is all any "Real" Pope should do. Consecrate Russia and peace will be for the whole world. No need to consecrate everyone, everything. GOD will handle …More
@가입을 원합니다 Father Kramer is right. And a real consecration takes but less than one minute for the results. Not days, months or years. That is another way of knowing if it was done or not. To consecrate Russia to The Immaculate Heart of Mary is all any "Real" Pope should do. Consecrate Russia and peace will be for the whole world. No need to consecrate everyone, everything. GOD will handle it all in one shot. That man bergoglio did nothing but offend GOD in more than one way. And he mocked GOD in my eyes in more than one way. Who would defy GOD the way he did? Only a non believer. We must pray for his conversion. Even if we don't like or care for him. It is our duty to do it.
Just me
I love Father Gruner. He was always crying. Or shouting. I can't remember if I ever saw this one or not. But it all sounds familiar as I watch it. Good one Live Mike.
Live Mike
The Complete Q & A Session 1 Question & Answer Session 1
Just me
Thank you so much. This will be great to watch later on this morning. I miss these men a lot. The Fatima center is not the same anymore.
Live Mike
You're welcome Just me ... there are some real gems in that session
Live Mike
I miss them too
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