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The Prophecy of Stigmatist Antonio Ruffini † (1907-1999) "Who Will Do The Consecration of Russia?" Source: Fatima Conference Idaho, Mystery of Iniquity, Q & A Session 1, 28-30 September 2012 Dr. Robert …More
The Prophecy of Stigmatist Antonio Ruffini † (1907-1999) "Who Will Do The Consecration of Russia?"
Source: Fatima Conference Idaho, Mystery of Iniquity, Q & A Session 1, 28-30 September 2012
Dr. Robert Sungenis, Fr. Paul Kramer, Fr. Nicholas Gruner
DrMaria
Sharing this because this chain of conversation needs to keep going -
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A further comment after listening to this excellent segment several times --
The prophecy made by Our Lady to Sr. Lucia and re-told to Fr. Kramer, in 1991, by someone who knew Sr. Lucia regarding the fact that the 3rd secret would be released during a major war - which would be triggered by an incident in Iran - was not necessarily told to the imposter Sr. Lucia. (See sisterlucytruth.org). It could …More
A further comment after listening to this excellent segment several times --
The prophecy made by Our Lady to Sr. Lucia and re-told to Fr. Kramer, in 1991, by someone who knew Sr. Lucia regarding the fact that the 3rd secret would be released during a major war - which would be triggered by an incident in Iran - was not necessarily told to the imposter Sr. Lucia. (See sisterlucytruth.org). It could have been told to the real Sr. Lucia. We really don't have any recorded instances of the imposter Sr. Lucia's receiving ongoing messages and apparitions from Our Lady - while we do know that the original/real Sr. Lucia did receive communications post-1917 from both Our Lord and Our Lady.
DrMaria
Also look at my comment in reply to iwirawan on the so-called vision released in 2000 as part of the 3rd Secret - wonder if someone has the link for Suzanne Pearson's talk to Fatima Souls where she discusses this issue.
iwirawan
I have doubt on the released third secret in 2000. Do we even have proof that it is part of the third secret, or somebody just made it up? If no, we should stop referring to it.
DrMaria
Good point. There are those who think that the vision released in 2000 was found in the diaries that Sr.Lucia handed over to the Vatican - and not really part of the authentic 3rd Secret. The release of this vision was an attempt to placate all those clamoring for the 3rd Secret. We do know from the testimony of various people who either read the 3rd Secret or were present when it was read that the …More
Good point. There are those who think that the vision released in 2000 was found in the diaries that Sr.Lucia handed over to the Vatican - and not really part of the authentic 3rd Secret. The release of this vision was an attempt to placate all those clamoring for the 3rd Secret. We do know from the testimony of various people who either read the 3rd Secret or were present when it was read that the 3rd Secret deals with apostasy at the very top of the Church. The vision makes no reference to that fact. Suzanne Pearson, who has done a lot of research on Fatima, is one who thinks the vision itself may have been given to Sr. Lucia at another time and was contained in a diary - but was not part of the 3rd Secret. There is a video where she shares this in a talk with a group named Fatima Souls. Maybe someone has that link.
DrMaria
Found the link to the talk by Suzanne Pearson on why the vision released in 2000 is NOT part of the real 3rd Secret but it may be a real vision of importance received by Sr. Lucia at another time as contained in her notebooks released to the Vatican: Fatima Souls with Suzanne Pearson, October 2022
Start watching at 15:26 to hear this part of the talk. It lasts until around 29 minutes into the video.
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Start listening at 5:30 and following, ... "We know from prophecy that when some major catastrophic event will strike IRAN that the Third World War is very near."
DrMaria
Let's also remember that Benedict XVI did reveal much about the true contents of the 3rd Secret to Fr. Ingo Dolligner, his long time friend. He told Fr. Dollinger that the Third Secret of Fatima was still mainly concealed; it warns against an evil council and changes in the liturgy. We have been reaping the bad fruits of both of these for decades now. This has been confirmed by Fr. Paul Kramer.
DrMaria
Thanks for posting this!! Excellent!!!
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Start listening at 5:30 and following, ... "We know from prophecy that when some major catastrophic event will strike IRAN that the Third World War is very near."
English Catholic
OK. This is an old video and Robert Sungenis has gone right off the rails on the Fatima issue since then. Check out his very recent YouTube videos. Also it says "We know from prophecy that when some major catastrophic event will strike IRAN that the Third World War is very near." What prophecy? Has it been approved?
Fr Gruner RIP (who I met and have great respect for, even if I didn't agree with …More
OK. This is an old video and Robert Sungenis has gone right off the rails on the Fatima issue since then. Check out his very recent YouTube videos. Also it says "We know from prophecy that when some major catastrophic event will strike IRAN that the Third World War is very near." What prophecy? Has it been approved?
Fr Gruner RIP (who I met and have great respect for, even if I didn't agree with every single word he said) said around 03:20 on the video that according to this alleged stigmatist Antonio Ruffini, Pope Benedict XVI would be the Pope of the Assassination. An unfulfilled Ruffini prophecy. Pope Benedict XVI wasn't assassinated. If anyone has any verifiable proof to the contrary, please post it.
Fr Kramer. Don't even go there, I mean I can't even go there. For me to speak out, I'm not sure what would be detraction, or a justified warning not to listen to that man. I will need to seek spiritual advice on this issue before commenting further.
Live Mike
Yes, Robert Sungenis has gone right off the rails on the Fatima issue since then... I agree with you. And like you I wish I knew to which prophecy Fr. Kramer was referring. Just to clarify, the comment made by Fr. Gruner, "the pope of the assassination" ... that did not come from Ruffini it was from another source.
DrMaria
In response to English Catholic - we are blessed to still have Fr. Kramer with us! Here is a recent interview with him: The Coming Chastisement: Poor Canada! Rome to Introduce New Theology Interview With Fr. Paul Kramer
English Catholic
@LiveMike At 03:20 Fr Gruner says "And by . . and if Antonio Ruffini is correct, then Benedict XVI is the Pope of the Assassination . . ." Fr Gruner said "If Antonio Ruffini is correct" . . . this implies that the alleged prophecy came from him. Otherwise, why didn't Father say, if (name) is correct, as Antonio Ruffini has confirmed, then Benedict XVI is the Pope of the Assassination . . ."
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Your instinct with regard to Fr Kramer is correct. I don't want to say too much on this public forum but I have defended Fr Kramer against criticism in the past only to find out that his critics had a point, to put it mildly.
Live Mike
@English Catholic I interpret Fr Gruner's statement differently. The panelists incorporate many different prophesies in their answers. Fr Gruner said "If Antonio Ruffini is correct" this implies in and of itself... then and consequently - now it is here that Fr Gruner incorporates his interpretation of Catholic prophesies from sources other than Ruffini @6:35 eg the vision of Pope Pius X, also the …More
@English Catholic I interpret Fr Gruner's statement differently. The panelists incorporate many different prophesies in their answers. Fr Gruner said "If Antonio Ruffini is correct" this implies in and of itself... then and consequently - now it is here that Fr Gruner incorporates his interpretation of Catholic prophesies from sources other than Ruffini @6:35 eg the vision of Pope Pius X, also the prophecy of Helen Wallraff, See Dupont - "Catholic Prophecy" p. 22, 78; Culleton - "The Prophets and Our Times" p. 31, 51, 180, 216; Birch - "Trial Tribulation & Triumph, Before During and After Antichrist"
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Start listening at 5:30 and following, ... "We know from prophecy that when some major catastrophic event will strike IRAN that the Third World War is very near."
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The biography of Antonio Ruffini, SOTTO IL CIELO DI ROMA, "Under the Roman Sky" by Don. G. Tomaselli is now available in English here: Amazon.com
Live Mike
This is worthy of your time... less than 7 minutes @Kathleen Keating
Kathleen Keating
Thanks, Michael! God bless you!
Daniel Valencia
Is there the full video somewhere? Who are the people speaking in this segment?
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Fr. Nicholas Gruner, Fr. Paul Kramer, Dr. Robert Sungenis
sam yeager
Mike or anyone: any proof from Lucy that Russia was never consecrated pre-vatican ii Lucy,( assuming there are two Lucys) We know (again assuming the two Lucy theory is true) post '60 Lucy declared Pius xii consecration didn't take as Our Lady requested. Robert Sungenis new book claims compelling evidence of a conversation between Our Lord and Lucy, accepted the '52 consecration and Sungenis believes …More
Mike or anyone: any proof from Lucy that Russia was never consecrated pre-vatican ii Lucy,( assuming there are two Lucys) We know (again assuming the two Lucy theory is true) post '60 Lucy declared Pius xii consecration didn't take as Our Lady requested. Robert Sungenis new book claims compelling evidence of a conversation between Our Lord and Lucy, accepted the '52 consecration and Sungenis believes another consecration isn't necessary.
Live Mike
1942:
Pius XII attempts to comply with Our Lady’s request for the Consecration.
October 31:
Pope Pius XII, acting alone and on the basis of inaccurate information about what Our Lady requested, consecrates the world, but not Russia specifically, to the Immaculate Heart. The bishops do not participate.
December 8: Pius XII repeats the same ceremony, again without the participation of the bishops. …More
1942:
Pius XII attempts to comply with Our Lady’s request for the Consecration.

October 31:
Pope Pius XII, acting alone and on the basis of inaccurate information about what Our Lady requested, consecrates the world, but not Russia specifically, to the Immaculate Heart. The bishops do not participate.

December 8: Pius XII repeats the same ceremony, again without the participation of the bishops. Our Lord tells Sister Lucy that because of this World War II will be shortened, but that world peace will not result as Russia has not been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and consequently converted. World peace is reserved only to the proper Consecration of Russia.

1952:
Our Lady is Still Awaiting the Consecration; Pius XII tries again.

May: Our Lady appears to Sister Lucy saying: “Make it known to the Holy Father that I am always awaiting the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart. Without the Consecration, Russia will not be able to convert, nor will the world have peace.”

Source: The Fatima Timeline by The Fatima Center, 2015
sam yeager
Mike, in July Pius xii does the consecration though. I am looking for confirmation that Lucy states that heaven accepted it as Sungenis believes occurred. It was my understanding that Lucy believed Pius didn't do it as asked. I think the post '60 Lucy said Pius didn't... what's interesting is Fr. Gruner says Lucy was silenced .... but later this 'Lucy' appears to speak in her later years.
Live Mike
Sorry, I misread your question @sam yeager wrote, "any proof from Lucy that Russia was never consecrated [CORRECTLY] pre-vatican ii Lucy"
July 7: Pope Pius XII consecrates Russia specifically in an apostolic letter called Sacro vergente anno, but only as a written exhortation. He does not ask for all the bishops to join him in keeping with Our Lady’s request for a public ceremony conducted by …More
Sorry, I misread your question @sam yeager wrote, "any proof from Lucy that Russia was never consecrated [CORRECTLY] pre-vatican ii Lucy"

July 7: Pope Pius XII consecrates Russia specifically in an apostolic letter called Sacro vergente anno, but only as a written exhortation. He does not ask for all the bishops to join him in keeping with Our Lady’s request for a public ceremony conducted by the Pope in union with all the Catholic bishops of the whole world.
sam yeager
Mike, I understand what Pius did. My question is about Lucy's belief. Sungenis believes he read the conversation between Our Lord and Lucy and how Heaven accepted the consecration.
Russia Has Been Consecrated - Sungenis Defends His ThesisMore
Mike, I understand what Pius did. My question is about Lucy's belief. Sungenis believes he read the conversation between Our Lord and Lucy and how Heaven accepted the consecration.

Russia Has Been Consecrated - Sungenis Defends His Thesis
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La prophétie du stigmatisé Antonio Ruffini † (1907-1999)" Qui fera la consécration de la Russie ?"
Source : Conférence de Fatima Idaho, Mystère de l'iniquité, session de questions-réponses 1, 28-30 septembre 2012.
John T David
Bergoglio is the prophesied anti Pope. Therefore his consecration cannot be valid. Anyone with wisdom should know this already. Pope Benedict will scale the hill and be killed. Then the next legitimate Pope ‘Peter the Roman’ will consecrate Russia.
Jeffrey Ade
This falls in line with Fr. Sean Kopczynski's sermon on the "God's Astonishing Reversals" of the church! Russia will be consecrated, it will be late(not earlier then June 13, 2029) and then there will be peace! In the mean time Rosary up! Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us! 7 years or so, hmmm, we can do this! With the Grace of Almighty God, all things are possible!
Live Mike
That's an interesting thought. And there are some who think that "it will be late" refers to anytime before 13 June 1929 as Russia has already spread her errors throughout the world (including the USA & the Vatican), Russia has caused wars and has persecuted the Church.
Our Lord complainingly said to me [Sr. Lucia of Fatima]: “They did not want to heed My request. Like the King of France they …More
That's an interesting thought. And there are some who think that "it will be late" refers to anytime before 13 June 1929 as Russia has already spread her errors throughout the world (including the USA & the Vatican), Russia has caused wars and has persecuted the Church.

Our Lord complainingly said to me [Sr. Lucia of Fatima]: “They did not want to heed My request. Like the King of France they will repent and do so, but it will be late. Russia will already have spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer. - Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. II, p. 543-544, pdf p. 365, 366

"Sr. Lucia made it plain that Our Lady did not ask for the consecration of the world to Her Immaculate Heart. What She [Our Lady] demanded specifically was the consecration of Russia. Sr. Lucia stated more than once and with deliberate emphasis: ‘What Our Lady wants is that the Pope and all the bishops in the world shall consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart on one special day. If this is done, She will convert Russia and there will be peace. If it is not done, the errors of Russia will spread through every country in the world’.”
Professor Walsh asked Sr. Lucia, "Does this mean, in your opinion, that every country [including the United States of America and the Vatican City State], without exception, will be overcome by Communism?"

Sr. Lucia replied, "Yes." [this was her precise answer] - William Thomas Walsh, Our Lady of Fatima, 4th printing, 1947, p. 226; See also Louis Kaczmarek, The Wonders She Performs, 1986, p. 160
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So much material. Interesting
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Wait a minute! Haven't all the detractors of the JP2 act of consecration argued that it was invalid because the wording was not in conformity with what OBL called for? Now seemingly, those same detractors are oozing with enthusiasms over Pope Francis's proclamation alluding to the consecration of Russia and Ukraine. Hardly the exact wording that OBL called for, is it? And I smile to myself, whilst …More
Wait a minute! Haven't all the detractors of the JP2 act of consecration argued that it was invalid because the wording was not in conformity with what OBL called for? Now seemingly, those same detractors are oozing with enthusiasms over Pope Francis's proclamation alluding to the consecration of Russia and Ukraine. Hardly the exact wording that OBL called for, is it? And I smile to myself, whilst further musing, on the strong possibility that the self-same detractors don't even view Francis as a legitimate Pope. Where does that leave those who hold such a position? For me, I'm just wondering what on earth is Francis up to?
Live Mike
And there are critics who rightly point out the shortcomings of the consecrations or lack thereof of the last 8 popes How Eight Popes Failed to do the Consecration of Russia - John Salza, The Fatima Center Peace …
Child of Our Lady
Ukraine was a part of Russia in 1917 & didn't become independent until 1991. With Our Lady saying 'Russia' in 1917, it would have included what is now Ukraine. The underlying fact is there is no world peace, so no properly formatted consecration was ever done by a pope & in union with the bishops of the world. Pope Francis & the worlds bishops can help rectify this. Pray for their conversion. God …More
Ukraine was a part of Russia in 1917 & didn't become independent until 1991. With Our Lady saying 'Russia' in 1917, it would have included what is now Ukraine. The underlying fact is there is no world peace, so no properly formatted consecration was ever done by a pope & in union with the bishops of the world. Pope Francis & the worlds bishops can help rectify this. Pray for their conversion. God can do ALL things, including fixing this pope & the worlds bishops.

I know my bishop hasn't said whether he will participate in the consecration, in union w/ the Pope as I asked the priest in the confessional on Saturday. He said they are waiting for guidance.
Live Mike
"Russia" ... SOLELY "Russia" ... without any other noun.
giveusthisday
Thank you Laurelmarycecilia and Live Mike. This is so urgent! Yes, God asks of the Holy Father to make the consecration of _Russia_ to Her Immaculate Heart, in union with all the bishops of the world. Pray, pray, pray for this consecration.