Zen encourages the revolution in Hong-Kong which is against Catholic faith. He can criticize the agreement between China and Vatican but there are other things that make him a heretic because as Pope Innocent III said to not oppose errors is to make oneself accomplice of them. Like Cardinal Sarah who didn't oppose the idolatry of the Pachamama by Francis.
But it's different for Cardinal Vigano given that he asked many times to Francis to resign. The fact is there is something happening now behind the scenes in the Vatican and certainly for the security of our Pope Benedict XVI, nothing is yet revealed by any Cardinals. Some priests like Mgr Livi or Minutella said that the election of Francis was orchestrated and the second one for example was excommunicated. But we all know that they said since Vatican 2 that they no more excommunicate except for those that want to keep the tradition like Mgr Lefebvre while they promote the pedophiles like Cardinal McCarrick who was banned to travel under Pope Benedict XVI and asked to subjugate himself to a life of prayers, but freed from Francis...

No one can count on any of these Cardinals or bishops except for saying the Mass and even for this, one should be wary how they would do given most of them are traitors and want us to follow them into the world religion like Cardinal Arinze that organize the (fake) dialogue between all the religions in order that we merge into and blaspheme Jesus Christ as the Lord and Messiah.

"as they (Zen and Vigano) continually recognize an antipope" which contradicts the lie you told six hours ago: "Vigano has stated in so many words that Francis is not a pope." The man can't do both at the same time Thors Catholic Hammer Then you whine when I call you a liar. It isn't just because we disagree on the Papacy. You can't even remember what lie you told literally on the same day. Gotcha! :D

Don't bother changing your last post again, either. Here's the screen cap.

"Vigano has stated in so many words..." ---coming from you that means he "has stated" nothing of the sort Thors Catholic Hammer Vigano was crticizing Cardinal Re and Vatican policy. He said nothing "in so many words" about Pope Francis. You're making things up again, and inventing a claim Archbishop Vigano's never made.. Ironic since he is criticizing Cardinal Re for doing the same to then-Benedict XVI.

Full Text of Archbishop Viganò’s Feb. 29 Letter to Cardinal Zen

Dearest Eminence,
This is Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America.
I have followed deeply — sharing in prayer your suffering — your many heartfelt appeals to Pope Bergoglio concerning the tragic situation of the Martyr Church in China, which he himself has culpably aggravated through the treacherous and wicked secret Agreement signed by Holy See with the Chinese Communist Government.
Your heartfelt appeals, dear Brother in Christ, have systematically been unheeded and even mocked in a hypocritical and perverse way. As for Cardinal Parolin, he has acted as a mere reckless executor of an evil order from above.
I read this morning the ignominious and shameful letter that Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re has addressed to all the cardinals against you. I am deeply saddened and indignant, and I wish to express to you all my affection, prayer and fraternal solidarity in the episcopate.
You are a courageous Confessor of the Faith and you have all my esteem and veneration!
Unfortunately, in the Vatican lying has been set into the system, truth has been totally overturned, and the most perverse deception is shamelessly practiced even by the most unsuspected figures, who have now given themselves over to acting as accomplices of the Adversary. They have even gone so far as to say that “Pope Benedict XVI had approved the draft Agreement” signed in 2018, when instead we all know of his strenuous resistance and repeated disapproval of the conditions imposed by a persecutory and bloody regime.
The Vatican has done everything and more to deliver the Chinese Martyr Church into the hands of the Enemy: it did so by signing the Secret Pact; it did so by legitimizing excommunicated “bishops” who are agents of the regime; it did so by the deposition of legitimate bishops; it did so by forcing faithful priests to register with a church that has succumbed to the Communist dictatorship; it does so on a daily basis by keeping silent about the persecutory fury that has gained unprecedented strength, precisely since the signing of that unfortunate Agreement. It is now doing so with this ignoble letter to all the cardinals, which is aimed at accusing you, denigrating you, and isolating you.
Our Lord assures us that nothing and no one will ever be able to snatch from His hands those who resist the infernal enemy and his acolytes, conquering them “by the Blood of the Lamb” and by the testimony of their martyrdom (cf. Rev. 12:11).
Your example, dear Cardinal, and the very high price you are paying to defend the Cause of God and His Church, gives us a salutary jolt, it rips us from the inertia and habituation with which we are passively witnessing the surrender of the Catholic Church, at its highest levels and in its hierarchy, to heresy and apostasy, by following the Prince of this world, who is a liar and murderer from the beginning (cf. Jn 8:44).

Because, Domine, because populo tuo,
whom thou hast redeemed, O Christ, by your blood,
Do not be angry with us for ever.

+ Carlo Maria Viganò
Titular Archbishop of Ulpiana
Apostolic Nuncio

Translated by Diane Montagna